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Old 07-01-2015, 12:06 PM   #421
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What exactly does Jenner need to justify to you?
It's not a matter of him/her needing to justify anything to us. It's more of a matter that if we choose to accept people who identify as something else, do we have to allow it across the board?

Whites can be blacks?

Blacks can be whites?

Humans can be animals?

If the answer is yes, let's accept them all, that's fine. At least the identity question can be answered. But if were going to make an exception for gender, but not race or species, then there's an issue of hypocrisy.
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    Is trans-racial something that's recognized by the scientific and medical communities? Do doctors diagnose people with that? If so, is the treatment transitioning to another race?
    From what I can tell, it would only be mental/behavioral health making this determination. It's not like there are any blood tests for transgender.
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    From what I can tell, it would only be mental/behavioral health making this determination. It's not like there are any blood tests for transgender.
    Spot on.

    How do we differentiate these mental behaviors from let's say Schizophrenia?

    I'm not of the belief that Jenner is completely making this all up. I truly believe in his head there has been some psychological conditioning of some sort that allowed him to believe that he is more like a woman than a man. The question lies in whether this is an issue of a mental abnormality or civil rights.
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    Okay, is trans-racial (as described in this case) in the DSM-V?
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    Spot on.

    How do we differentiate these mental behaviors from let's say Schizophrenia?

    I'm not of the belief that Jenner is completely making this all up. I truly believe in his head there has been some psychological conditioning of some sort that allowed him to believe that he is more like a woman than a man. The question lies in whether this is an issue of a mental abnormality or civil rights.

    Get a Ph.D in psychology? And then probably a medical degree if you want to treat either one.
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    Old 07-01-2015, 12:15 PM   #426
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    It's not a matter of him/her needing to justify anything to us. It's more of a matter that if we choose to accept people who identify as something else, do we have to allow it across the board?

    Whites can be blacks?

    Blacks can be whites?

    Humans can be animals?

    If the answer is yes, let's accept them all, that's fine. At least the identity question can be answered. But if were going to make an exception for gender, but not race or species, then there's an issue of hypocrisy.
    I would assume it'd be treated on a case by case basis, like everything else in the world
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    Old 07-01-2015, 12:19 PM   #427
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    Okay, is trans-racial (as described in this case) in the DSM-V?
    Science and medicine journals are updated all of the time. Generally, when there's a big enough splash in the media about something, people will conduct studies and journals will be updated accordingly.

    Who's to know what scientific studies will be released in the future?

    I guess that's kinda the whole point of the discussion. Should we let it get to a point where scientists have to look at groups of people and search for a reason as to why we should tolerate them?

    I saw something online (not sure how accurate it was) where pedophiles were making a case the being a pedophile was their sexual orientation, much like how gays are attracted to the same sex.

    My point is, under the right circumstance, anything and anyone is open to acceptance. It's our job to think critically over what we choose to accept because people always look at precedent to justify their cause, no matter how immoral it may be.
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    Ah, the 'ol slippery slope. I don't know where the line is, so there is no line. Anything goes. Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, MASS HYSTERIA!!!
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    I saw something online (not sure how accurate it was) where pedophiles were making a case the being a pedophile was their sexual orientation, much like how gays are attracted to the same sex.
    They've been trying to make that argument for years. Problem is, they're actually harming young people. Most serial killers and violent criminals have been shown to have a chemical imbalance or genetic predisposition to violence, but it's kinda hard to accept them when they're harming/killing/raping/etc. That's when the support system around those people need to help them with therapy, medication, or whatever else they can do to keep them from harming anyone.
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    Is there some sort of quota on the number of harmless human beings we're allowed to accept as a society that I don't know about?

    Hey, I know you're not hurting anyone, but we're all maxed out on acceptance right now. So you'll just have to go fuck yourself. Feel free to re-apply in two years.
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    Is there some sort of quota on the number of harmless human beings we're allowed to accept as a society that I don't know about?

    Hey, I know you're not hurting anyone, but we're all maxed out on acceptance right now. So you'll just have to go fuck yourself. Feel free to re-apply in two years.
    Are transgenders harmless for the most part? Yes, absolutely.

    But think about the shit storm that would be if trans-racial is accepted. Sure, these people are completely harmless but many lines will be crossed, specifically when whites try to identify as blacks or native americans.
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    Well if it's accepted, there wouldn't be a shit storm.
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    Is there some sort of quota on the number of harmless human beings we're allowed to accept as a society that I don't know about?

    Hey, I know you're not hurting anyone, but we're all maxed out on acceptance right now. So you'll just have to go fuck yourself. Feel free to re-apply in two years.
    If you think about it, many parts of our society are based around gender, race, age etc. It's not about acceptance but impact.

    Some grown-ass man wants to offer off the kids menu at your restaurant. Are you going to accept him as a child if he says he is one?
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    let me quickly check the official book of acceptance
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    Jesus, you people are really trying to find a way to dismiss transgender, aren't you?
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    Jesus, you people are really trying to find a way to dismiss transgender, aren't you?

    My god, man, think about the kids (menu)!!!
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    a. people are allowed to do pretty much whatever they want without hurting others

    b. sometimes those things are tolerated, sometimes they aren't. why? see a
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    My god, man, think about the kids (menu)!!!


    You'd be the first one to post it in the irritating thread I'd someone did this.
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    My wife orders off kids menus whenever restaurants will let her because she's tiny, doesn't eat a lot, and hates wasting food.
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    that depends, does allison provide documentation of the precedent of adults ordering off the kids menu having been allowed in the past?
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    But yes, there will be some practical considerations as transgender (and whatever comes next) becomes more mainstream. We'll figure it out though.
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    My god, man, think about the kids (menu)!!!
    The kids!!!
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    that depends, does allison provide documentation of the precedent of adults ordering off the kids menu having been allowed in the past?

    Yup. Have a dropbox folder locked and loaded for just those occasions.
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    My wife orders off kids menus whenever restaurants will let her because she's tiny, doesn't eat a lot, and hates wasting food.
    You're very brave.
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    But yes, there will be some practical considerations as transgender (and whatever comes next) becomes more mainstream. We'll figure it out though.
    restrooms and athletic competition are literally the only things I can think of
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    The kids!!!

    Eminem reference?
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    restrooms and athletic competition are literally the only things I can think of

    Yea, restrooms/locker rooms were what I was thinking of.
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    Read it in that voice the first time I read your post and literally lol'd.
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    people don't like jenner or dolezel so they lump them together

    very easy to understand why they are different
    No, it's not. At some point in her life, that white chick decided she was a black chick and then carried herself as such.

    The same goes with Caitlyn. At whatever age she is now, he changed to she and is carrying herself as such. Uness you're saying that she's a woman but she can't identify with other women, which just sounds absurd.

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    Jesus, you people are really trying to find a way to dismiss transgender, aren't you?
    No, just Caitlyn.

    I guess if you like to fuck kids, you don't have a mental disease. Have we at least come full circle on that? I mean if people can just decide they're other people or animals and it's totally accepted, how can we hold sexuality against people who are into kids? Granted, of course no one can ever get sexual with any kids. But, is that attraction a mental illness? If so, how is that the ONE thing that we just cannot accept and everything else is totally normal.

    Again, logically these arguments make no sense outside of whatever people want to convince themselves.

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