The setlist variation myth

[crashintonickdm]

EWU mustve been great in 2013 as it wasn't played. thats the best EWU.

[CrushB610]

came in here few hours later to see that people took my Blackjack, Time Bomb, EWU post serious

[TheLastPig]

Meant 2012, song sucks. Great performance at Blossom though, I was surprised

[space_raven]

Originally Posted by AlbusLorica

If I was incorrect about something please let me know. I know I make mistakes every now and then. Also, what things was I being extraneous about? Not trying to be a jerk, just curious?

As far as the comment that all the songs played thus far on the 2015 summer tour were played on the 2014 tour, yes they are continuing where they left off. The oldest they have reached back was 40 shows ago with Proudest Monkey on 5.16 which was last played on 6.25.14. That is the largest gap yes. If you meant that a lot of the first half of 2014 songs haven't been played yet, I would agree that yes it is still early but looking at 5.23.14 as a random example, only Sugar Man, Stolen Away, So Right, and Spaceman haven't been played in 2015. 4 out of 23.

Looking back over my post, the thing that stood out to me the most was 5.23.15 had 8 repeats from the previous NIGHT.

First thing,

Second, we're human we all make mistakes. No big deal. Just that Snow Outside has only been played acoustic in 2015. As for extraneous, the part about tour debuts. 1st night of the tour being all tour debuts. 2nd night majority tour debuts as well. That's what's expected. But since the 3rd show, few and far between, and the debuts we are getting aren't the ones we (Ants) want. Lots of the same songs showing up over and over thus far.


Yeah, we're nsync about the 1st/2nd half stuff. Early still, for sure. Just saying.

[recentlyJTR41]

Still doesn't change the fact that they hardly ever play Pig, Spoon, Last Stop, BOWA, Captain, PFWYG, Raven, The Maker, Kit Kat Jam, YNK, Dreaming Tree compared to SMLAM, Cornbread, Seven, Jimi (love it but it's so boring now), Spaceman, So Damn Lucky, etc

But Dizzy did in fact nail it.


I'm in the minority but I want them to play more and more covers. Adds diversity and their cover choices are pretty good. Need some new ones though. Following DMB is fun but it's not worth it when you go on a 3 night run and hear 2 songs played all three nights and another couple 2 out of the three. With their huge catalog it shouldn't be a problem. It's not the songs, it's the people playing said songs.

On the same token I love Pig, but wouldn't want to hear it every show. I love hearing as many songs as I can since DMB doesn't really "jam" anymore.

[recentlyJTR41]

Originally Posted by chadizzy1

Along those lines (total plays over time):

Cornbread - 258 (Since 2007)
You Might Die Trying - 254 (Since 2005)
You & Me - 230 (Since 2009)
Shake Me - 221 (Since 2009)
Seven - 204 (Since 2009)
Spaceman - 168 (Since 2009)
Hunger For The Great Light - 132 (Since 2005)
Squirm - 127 (Since 2009)
Dreamgirl - 115 (Since 2005)
Belly Belly Nice - 96 (Since 2012)
Mercy - 89 (Since 2012)

Cry Freedom - 165 (Since 1991)
Pig - 163 (Since 1998)
JTR - 120 (Since 2000)
Last Stop - 103 (Since 1998)
Dreaming Tree - 92 (Since 1998)
You Never Know - 86 (Since 2002)
Raven - 65 (Since 1995)
Sugar Will - 58 (Since 2004)
Captain - 56 (Since 1996)
Spoon - 50 (Since 1997)
Crazy Easy - 48 (Since 2004)
Busted Stuff - 34 (Since 2000)

This post makes me want to jump off a cliff. Good god. That had not occured to us, dude.

[crashintonickdm]

Originally Posted by chadizzy1

Who wouldn't want a tasty concert run of Time Bomb, Blackjack and Everybody Wake Up?

just seeing this.

[bowa36]

Originally Posted by crashintonickdm

EWU mustve been great in 2013 as it wasn't played. thats the best EWU.

It was though

[Trippingchris]

Originally Posted by Jake

I can show you an archived website from 1996 (the old Blue Water Baboon Farm site) where a fan complains about the redundancy of sets. So it's nothing new.



people say redundant, but they really mean "a lot of songs I don't want to hear played a lot".

yes and yes. You even made a great point about the Bristow '96 show you went to on the podcast. Shit was repetitive. Now we're just getting a lot of shit or good but overstayed material. Sorry, I don't have my stats.

[Trippingchris]

Originally Posted by chadizzy1

Along those lines (total plays over time):

Cornbread - 258 (Since 2007)
You Might Die Trying - 254 (Since 2005)
You & Me - 230 (Since 2009)
Shake Me - 221 (Since 2009)
Seven - 204 (Since 2009)
Spaceman - 168 (Since 2009)
Hunger For The Great Light - 132 (Since 2005)
Squirm - 127 (Since 2009)
Dreamgirl - 115 (Since 2005)
Belly Belly Nice - 96 (Since 2012)
Mercy - 89 (Since 2012)

Cry Freedom - 165 (Since 1991)
Pig - 163 (Since 1998)
JTR - 120 (Since 2000)
Last Stop - 103 (Since 1998)
Dreaming Tree - 92 (Since 1998)
You Never Know - 86 (Since 2002)
Raven - 65 (Since 1995)
Sugar Will - 58 (Since 2004)
Captain - 56 (Since 1996)
Spoon - 50 (Since 1997)
Crazy Easy - 48 (Since 2004)
Busted Stuff - 34 (Since 2000)

So, some of their best material from the first 13 out of 24 years they've been around has barely seen enough plays for 2 tours. Sure has felt like it.

[hmich176]

Originally Posted by crashintonickdm

EWU mustve been great in 2013 as it wasn't played. thats the best EWU.

Originally Posted by bowa36

It was though

It was played once in 2013, at The Woodlands in Texas. http://www.dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453057082

[ExistenceNow]

At this point, I'd rather hear EWU than the three BW turds that continue to cling to the ass hairs of this band.

[hmich176]

Originally Posted by ExistenceNow

At this point, I'd rather hear EWU than the three BW turds that continue to cling to the ass hairs of this band.

Hey, Dave moved Shake Me away from the encore closer slot this year, it seems. Baby steps.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by chadizzy1

Along those lines (total plays over time):

Cornbread - 258 (Since 2007)
You Might Die Trying - 254 (Since 2005)
You & Me - 230 (Since 2009)
Shake Me - 221 (Since 2009)
Seven - 204 (Since 2009)
Spaceman - 168 (Since 2009)
Hunger For The Great Light - 132 (Since 2005)
Squirm - 127 (Since 2009)
Dreamgirl - 115 (Since 2005)
Belly Belly Nice - 96 (Since 2012)
Mercy - 89 (Since 2012)

Cry Freedom - 165 (Since 1991)
Pig - 163 (Since 1998)
JTR - 120 (Since 2000)
Last Stop - 103 (Since 1998)
Dreaming Tree - 92 (Since 1998)
You Never Know - 86 (Since 2002)
Raven - 65 (Since 1995)
Sugar Will - 58 (Since 2004)
Captain - 56 (Since 1996)
Spoon - 50 (Since 1997)
Crazy Easy - 48 (Since 2004)
Busted Stuff - 34 (Since 2000)

If this was reversed I'd probably be going to a lot more than just SPAC this year.

Nicely laid out.

[Dramageek]

Originally Posted by hmich176

Hey, Dave moved Shake Me away from the encore closer slot this year, it seems. Baby steps.

Don't tempt fate, especially with my first show a week away!

[SinclairWill]

Originally Posted by space_raven

First thing,
...
Yeah, we're nsync about the 1st/2nd half stuff. Early still, for sure. Just saying.

Glad we are on same page. I edited that post a lot to try and stay impartial, that's probably why some of it seemed extraneous. I not good at writing thing. Then I just wanted to post it to get it out there. Probably could have used more editing.

So much snark I don't post as often as I used to, but I'm trying. Thanks for having a decent conversation, writing back, and not being dismissive.
Cheers,
W

[space_raven]

Originally Posted by AlbusLorica

Glad we are on same page. I edited that post a lot to try and stay impartial, that's probably why some of it seemed extraneous. I not good at writing thing. Then I just wanted to post it to get it out there. Probably could have used more editing.

So much snark I don't post as often as I used to, but I'm trying. Thanks for having a decent conversation, writing back, and not being dismissive.
Cheers,
W

It's all good. Keep posting.

anytime.

[maker75]

I admit I complain about the setlists and the same songs every night it seems. In comparison to DMB, let's look at Billy Joel. Billy Joel has plenty of hits and classics to play, but yet its the same 26 songs every night for the most part. Once in a while, you'll get a rarity like Captain Jack if your in Philly.

DMB concerts for me personally are always a blast! While I have not seen them since 2013, I still love watching the set lists pop-up (its better than watching the Phillies - trust me there). I will still remember when I was at Alpine in 8-9-08 and finally getting my 1st Halloween and then getting a I'll Back You Up tease with Cornbread the next night (never tease I'll Back You Up.. that's just wrong imo).

Let's just be thankful the Band still tours and is having fun on the stage, and we all have a reason together over the summer months!

[chadizzy1]

Originally Posted by maker75

Let's just be thankful the Band still tours and is having fun on the stage, and we all have a reason together over the summer months!

No offense to your point of view, and it's great that you enjoy the shows.

But this mentality and the whole "just be grateful they're playing" mentality is what's wrong.

"It's okay my burger was raw, I'm just gonna eat it anyway - I'm glad McDonalds is still open!"

Those arguments are kinda silly. Nothing person. Just my opinion.

[maker75]

Originally Posted by chadizzy1

No offense to your point of view, and it's great that you enjoy the shows.

But this mentality and the whole "just be grateful they're playing" mentality is what's wrong.

"It's okay my burger was raw, I'm just gonna eat it anyway - I'm glad McDonalds is still open!"

Those arguments are kinda silly. Nothing person. Just my opinion.

I respect everyone's views and opinions. I stopped going to shows cause I was disappointed with the final show I saw in December 2012 in Philly. Yes, it was a solid set list, but I wanted more and was let down.

If people don't like the setlists, just don't go, or go see Billy Joel or Elton John. Let me know how much variety they have. That's all I am saying. Trust me, I have seen Billy and Elton many times. Its the same song almost every show. Be happy that DMB does change the setlist, while definitely not enough. I think we all agree, its not enough.

I like your McDonalds point. My son wants McDonalds tonight for dinner.

[pzamps210]

Complaining about the sets will not fix anything. They are going to play and do what they want. So why do we keep talking about this? Lets move on

[chadizzy1]

Originally Posted by pzamps210

Complaining about the sets will not fix anything. They are going to play and do what they want. So why do we keep talking about this? Lets move on

People leaving bad reviews of a restaurant on Yelp will not fix anything. They are going to offer the food quality and service they want. So why do we keep talking about this? Let's move on

People sending emails to McDonalds for getting raw meat will not fix anything. They are going to keep serving undercooked meat all they want. So why do we email them? Let's move on

[pzamps210]

So you're saying that our complaints will be heard and things will change? This site has been complaining from its inception no matter what the band does. Listen I'm an officer in the military so I'm all for critiquing things and having opinions and all that, but us trying to change the setlists is like my squadron of 50 trying to ask the President himself to let us have more vacation time. Just will never work in a million years...

[space_raven]

Originally Posted by pzamps210

So you're saying that our complaints will be heard and things will change? This site has been complaining from its inception no matter what the band does. Listen I'm an officer in the military so I'm all for critiquing things and having opinions and all that, but us trying to change the setlists is like my squadron of 50 trying to ask the President himself to let us have more vacation time. Just will never work in a million years...

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[TheLastPig]

You can think it won't work. The rest if use are going to keep sharing our opinions in hopes that it will

[culpn8r]

Originally Posted by chadizzy1

Along those lines (total plays over time):

Cornbread - 258 (Since 2007)
You Might Die Trying - 254 (Since 2005)
You & Me - 230 (Since 2009)
Shake Me - 221 (Since 2009)
Seven - 204 (Since 2009)
Spaceman - 168 (Since 2009)
Hunger For The Great Light - 132 (Since 2005)
Squirm - 127 (Since 2009)
Dreamgirl - 115 (Since 2005)
Belly Belly Nice - 96 (Since 2012)
Mercy - 89 (Since 2012)

Cry Freedom - 165 (Since 1991)
Pig - 163 (Since 1998)
JTR - 120 (Since 2000)
Last Stop - 103 (Since 1998)
Dreaming Tree - 92 (Since 1998)
You Never Know - 86 (Since 2002)
Raven - 65 (Since 1995)
Sugar Will - 58 (Since 2004)
Captain - 56 (Since 1996)
Spoon - 50 (Since 1997)
Crazy Easy - 48 (Since 2004)
Busted Stuff - 34 (Since 2000)

Oh man is that depressing

[pzamps210]

Originally Posted by TheLastPig

You can think it won't work. The rest if use are going to keep sharing our opinions in hopes that it will

Haha sounds good. Good luck on your quest.

[TimHonks]

Originally Posted by chadizzy1

People leaving bad reviews of a restaurant on Yelp will not fix anything. They are going to offer the food quality and service they want. So why do we keep talking about this? Let's move on

People sending emails to McDonalds for getting raw meat will not fix anything. They are going to keep serving undercooked meat all they want. So why do we email them? Let's move on

People that complain about a restaurant wouldn't keep going back to said restaurant, let alone travel around the country to visit it multiple times.

[hmich176]

Originally Posted by TimHonks

People that complain about a restaurant wouldn't keep going back to said restaurant, let alone travel around the country to visit it multiple times.

Things are not so black and white. You can say you're disappointed seeing something, but still have other reasons to go. You can travel abroad to see a concert and do other things on the trip.

[pzamps210]

Originally Posted by TimHonks

People that complain about a restaurant wouldn't keep going back to said restaurant, let alone travel around the country to visit it multiple times.

Ya I personally don't get the restaurant connection at all.

If you like the band and the direction they are going, then go see them in concert. If you don't like what they are doing, then don't.

The fact that so many go to shows knowing they won't get what they want and therefore they won't be happy is just funny to me. Its been like this for years and the band has done NOTHING in response to complaints. As they shouldn't.