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thebridge15 · 01-29-2015, 02:00 PM

well if you have literally the worst record, the lowest pick you can get is 4. that's a benefit if nothing else

Lee3691 · 01-29-2015, 02:01 PM

Is there really a debate that if a team is tanking, that they shouldn't aim for the worse record in the NBA?

Rodey · 01-29-2015, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee3691

Is there really a debate that if a team is tanking, that they shouldn't aim for the worse record in the NBA?

Give him a break, he's a fan of the Knicks.

CrashDMB237 · 01-29-2015, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee3691

Is there really a debate that if a team is tanking, that they shouldn't aim for the worse record in the NBA?

As a fan, yes, absolutely that's what you want. I think any GM with half a brain values winning some games and developing young talent. Especially when you have to do a bulk of your work in free agency.

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Originally Posted by Rodey

Give him a break, he's a fan of the Knicks.

The only thing separating the Bucks and the Kings is fans celebrating .500 records a month into the season.

Rodey · 01-29-2015, 02:11 PM

You can't develop players while tanking?

CrashDMB237 · 01-29-2015, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rodey

You can't develop players while tanking?

Do you know how this whole conversation started? Serious question.

What is an easier sell to a free agent:

hey look we have some young guys, and trust me even though they aren't winning they TOTALLY can.

or

hey look we have some young guys that are playing at a high enough level to win games, and that's without your help.

sbuzzz · 01-29-2015, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CrashDMB237

The only thing separating the Bucks and the Kings is fans celebrating .500 records a month into the season.

The season is only a month old? How did the Knicks lose 37 games in only a month?

CrashDMB237 · 01-29-2015, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sbuzzz

The season is only a month old? How did the Knicks lose 37 games in only a month?

You missed it. Not even worth explaining really. Just pretend it never happened.

Rodey · 01-29-2015, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sbuzzz

The season is only a month old? How did the Knicks lose 37 games in only a month?

You clearly haven't seen how bad the Knicks are this year.

sbuzzz · 01-29-2015, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CrashDMB237

Do you know how this whole conversation started? Serious question.

What is an easier sell to a free agent:

hey look we have some young guys, and trust me even though they aren't winning they TOTALLY can.

or

hey look we have some young guys that are playing at a high enough level to win games, and that's without your help.

I'd probably go with C) Here is a shit ton of money for you. More than other teams are offering.

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Originally Posted by CrashDMB237

You missed it. Not even worth explaining really. Just pretend it never happened.

I too wish you could delete some of your posts.

dmbmuskie · 01-29-2015, 02:19 PM

Math causing melts.

dmbmuskie · 01-29-2015, 02:20 PM

Most teams who are tanking could never land a FA worth a damn.

thebridge15 · 01-29-2015, 02:20 PM

hollinger would feel so oppressed in this thread

Rodey · 01-29-2015, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dmbmuskie

Most teams who are tanking could never land a FA worth a damn.

Except the Knicks, of course.

CrashDMB237 · 01-29-2015, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dmbmuskie

Math causing melts.

3/20.

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Originally Posted by dmbmuskie

Most teams who are tanking could never land a FA worth a damn.

If there's anyone's word I will take on this it's yours.

Rodey · 01-29-2015, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by thebridge15

hollinger would feel so oppressed in this thread

dmbmuskie · 01-29-2015, 02:22 PM

Knicks have never signed a good FA.

Really cap space and hope is a proven loser of a strategy.

thebridge15 · 01-29-2015, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by crashdmb237

3/20.

25.0 > 19.9

Rodey · 01-29-2015, 02:24 PM

Remember when Crash was telling us how great of a fit Bargnani was?

dmbmuskie · 01-29-2015, 02:25 PM

They only gave up 3 picks. 3 isn't that many.

Lee3691 · 01-29-2015, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by thebridge15

25.0 > 19.9

Exactly. Just because it is only happened 3 out of the last 20x, doesn't change the fact that having the worse record gives you the best chance of getting the #1 pick, and guarantees a top 4 pick. I'm not even arguing the point that even teams that are tanking shouldn't try to win games, because I do, but if the ultimate goal is getting #1 pick, statistically you are most likely with the worse record.

sbuzzz · 01-29-2015, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by thebridge15

25.0 > 19.9

Rodey · 01-29-2015, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee3691

Exactly. Just because it is only happened 3 out of the last 20x, doesn't change the fact that having the worse record gives you the best chance of getting the #1 pick, and guarantees a top 4 pick. I'm not even arguing the point that even teams that are tanking shouldn't try to win games, because I do, but if the ultimate goal is getting #1 pick, statistically you are most likely with the worse record.

This guy gets how it works.

CrashDMB237 · 01-29-2015, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dmbmuskie

Knicks have never signed a good FA.

Really cap space and hope is a proven loser of a strategy.

Like the Heat, Cavs, Warriors, Suns and Clippers?

And being under the cap doesn't just mean you have money to spend on free agents. Wouldn't expect you to really understand the CBA though.

Rodey · 01-29-2015, 02:27 PM

Yikes. We've entered full-melt mode.

thebridge15 · 01-29-2015, 02:27 PM

http://notsportscenter.com/wp-conten...irballdunk.gif

CrashDMB237 · 01-29-2015, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee3691

Exactly. Just because it is only happened 3 out of the last 20x, doesn't change the fact that having the worse record gives you the best chance of getting the #1 pick, and guarantees a top 4 pick. I'm not even arguing the point that even teams that are tanking shouldn't try to win games, because I do, but if the ultimate goal is getting #1 pick, statistically you are most likely with the worse record.

You have said nothing that I disagree with. For like the 5th time now, all I'm saying is you can get the 3rd pick and still walk away with the best player in the draft unless you are entering a draft that has a once-in-a-generation type of player. And history proves that time and time again.

I asked twice already and no one wants to do the legwork... how many times is the best player in a draft class the #1 player taken?

dmbmuskie · 01-29-2015, 02:28 PM

Shaq, Bosh, and LeBron are the only max guys who swapped teams in FA and won.

Who are the Knicks going to trade for the next James Haeden?

Rodey · 01-29-2015, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by thebridge15

http://notsportscenter.com/wp-conten...irballdunk.gif

https://d13csqd2kn0ewr.cloudfront.ne...iDumbThree.gif

dmbmuskie · 01-29-2015, 02:30 PM

The #1 pick has higher average advanced metrics over #2 over history. This isn't even an argument.

01-29-2015, 02:01 PM	#23552
Lee3691 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Californian in Texas Posts: 45,758 Shows Seen: 129 DMB Hub Stubs: 30 My Tour Central Stats	Re: The NBA Thread Is there really a debate that if a team is tanking, that they shouldn't aim for the worse record in the NBA?

01-29-2015, 02:11 PM	#23555
Rodey Fiesta, Forever Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 85,222 Shows Seen: 16 DMB Hub Stubs: 10 My Tour Central Stats	You can't develop players while tanking? __________________ Jordan "I'll tell you what: I'm never eating at Benihana again. I don't care whose birthday it is."

01-29-2015, 02:19 PM	#23561
dmbmuskie FIN Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 84,063 Shows Seen: 50 DMB Hub Stubs: 20 My Tour Central Stats	Re: The NBA Thread Math causing melts.

01-29-2015, 02:20 PM	#23562
dmbmuskie FIN Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 84,063 Shows Seen: 50 DMB Hub Stubs: 20 My Tour Central Stats	Re: The NBA Thread Most teams who are tanking could never land a FA worth a damn.

01-29-2015, 02:22 PM	#23567
dmbmuskie FIN Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 84,063 Shows Seen: 50 DMB Hub Stubs: 20 My Tour Central Stats	Re: The NBA Thread Knicks have never signed a good FA. Really cap space and hope is a proven loser of a strategy.

01-29-2015, 02:24 PM	#23569
Rodey Fiesta, Forever Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 85,222 Shows Seen: 16 DMB Hub Stubs: 10 My Tour Central Stats	Remember when Crash was telling us how great of a fit Bargnani was? __________________ Jordan "I'll tell you what: I'm never eating at Benihana again. I don't care whose birthday it is."

01-29-2015, 02:25 PM	#23570
dmbmuskie FIN Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 84,063 Shows Seen: 50 DMB Hub Stubs: 20 My Tour Central Stats	Re: The NBA Thread They only gave up 3 picks. 3 isn't that many.

01-29-2015, 02:27 PM	#23575
Rodey Fiesta, Forever Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 85,222 Shows Seen: 16 DMB Hub Stubs: 10 My Tour Central Stats	Yikes. We've entered full-melt mode. __________________ Jordan "I'll tell you what: I'm never eating at Benihana again. I don't care whose birthday it is."

01-29-2015, 02:28 PM	#23578
dmbmuskie FIN Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 84,063 Shows Seen: 50 DMB Hub Stubs: 20 My Tour Central Stats	Re: The NBA Thread Shaq, Bosh, and LeBron are the only max guys who swapped teams in FA and won. Who are the Knicks going to trade for the next James Haeden?

01-29-2015, 02:30 PM	#23580
dmbmuskie FIN Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 84,063 Shows Seen: 50 DMB Hub Stubs: 20 My Tour Central Stats	Re: The NBA Thread The #1 pick has higher average advanced metrics over #2 over history. This isn't even an argument.

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