Marvel's CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR (5.6.16)

[Tiduwho]

Originally Posted by WidespreadMule3

Well technically the movie should've ended with a a dead Cap.

Why "technically" dead Cap?

[UCFish]

Originally Posted by Tiduwho

Why "technically" dead Cap?

Pretty sure that is how comics ended.

[WidespreadMule3]

Originally Posted by Tiduwho

Why "technically" dead Cap?

Because of this...

Originally Posted by UCFish

Pretty sure that is how comics ended.

[BotheLaneFan]

Comics are dumb and don't matter.

[TwoStep2888]

Originally Posted by BothePrinceFan

Comics are dumb and don't matter.

[TwoStep2888]

Originally Posted by UCFish

Does that mean you were a fan of IM3?

That one usually really has people divided.

I am not a comic book fan and really enjoyed it but I feel comic book fans usually hate it because of the Mandarin switch.

love IM3, and the Mandarin switch

[UCFish]

Originally Posted by TwoStep2888

love IM3, and the Mandarin switch

Me too.....Really rattles a lot of people though.

[javierm27]

Originally Posted by UCFish

Me too.....Really rattles a lot of people though.

I hope you see the BvS irony in this.

[UCFish]

Originally Posted by javierm27

I hope you see the BvS irony in this.

I mean I really don't.

People were mad that Mandarin was not the real villain and found out during the movie.

Unless you are referring to the giant ninja turtle that was the major villain at the end of BvS? If so everyone knew that anyway since it was in every trailer.

Please be more descriptive Robin.

Also Civil War passes Zootopia sometime this week per our old conversations.

Disney kind of going insane so far this year at the box office although I think Alice in Wonderland may bomb.

[javierm27]

Originally Posted by UCFish

I mean I really don't.

People were mad that Mandarin was not the real villain and found out during the movie.

Unless you are referring to the giant ninja turtle that was the major villain at the end of BvS? If so everyone knew that anyway since it was in every trailer.

Please be more descriptive Robin.

Also Civil War passes Zootopia sometime this week per our old conversations.

Disney kind of going insane so far this year at the box office although I think Alice in Wonderland may bomb.

The Bat signal was out there for you.

Dang, Zootopia had a nice run. I honestly don't know what to expect out of that movie. It did so well the first time around, which surprised everyone, I think that one made a billion as well. I don't think that has a chance this time around, maybe half?

[BTBaboon]

Originally Posted by UCFish

Me too.....Really rattles a lot of people though.

The people who are rattled by it need to watch the Marvel One Shot "All Hail the King"

[UCFish]

Originally Posted by BTBaboon

The people who are rattled by it need to watch the Marvel One Shot "All Hail the King"

Interesting that they abandoned doing one shots.

[UCFish]

Originally Posted by javierm27

The Bat signal was out there for you.

Dang, Zootopia had a nice run. I honestly don't know what to expect out of that movie. It did so well the first time around, which surprised everyone, I think that one made a billion as well. I don't think that has a chance this time around, maybe half?

First one was not good.....but I think Foreign will again be strong....I am going to say $175 domestic and maybe $400 global (575 total). That will definitely fail to turn a profit.

[TwoStep2888]

those Alice movies are hideous

[Tomriddle]

Finally got around to seeing this... surprisingly mediocre, especially from the guys who made Winter Soldier.

[Tomriddle]

It might be time to admit that the "one good guy fights another good guy!" story type just isn't very good. It keeps coming down to extremely contrived "disagreements", easily avoided misunderstandings and characters we're supposed to like/identify with acting like stupid, angry dicks for no reason.

[MOWJO8185]

^I thought they did a pretty good job with making it believable in Civil War, actually.

[Tomriddle]

Originally Posted by MOWJO8185

^I thought they did a pretty good job with making it believable in Civil War, actually.

Yeah? I dunno. I'm not trying to be all "plot holes!", but it all felt a little weak to me.

The arguments for Sokovia Accords weren't very convincing, for one thing. It feels like the Avengers were in the right for basically the entire history of the MCU, and the government was often in the wrong (they tried to nuke NYC, right?) or compromised (such as when Hydra ran things). I get people died in Sokovia but everyone would have died if Ultron blew up the planet, including those same people, right? And shouldn't the Avengers have negotiated with the UN about the contents of the Accords, rather than just signing or not signing?

Then the airport fight felt pretty avoidable to me, too. Couldn't Tony have asked Cap what he was up to before they attacked him? Shouldn't Cap have offered to turn himself into the UN if they helped him take down Zemo, or sent his allies after Zemo instead of having them fight Tony, or something? Couldn't Tony have just done nothing, giving Cap 36 hours to handle the crisis, before showing up (or sending in the troops, whom Cap could easily evade)? Why did Black Panther ask Bucky "if you are innocent, why did you run?" -- those SWAT dudes were shooting at Bucky, right, is Black Panther an idiot?

The final confrontation between Tony and Cap felt odd to me too. For one thing, Tony's overreaction seemed out of character. I just don't buy that Tony completely doesn't give a shit Bucky was mindcontrolled, Tony is supposed to be rational, intelligent and a good person. It felt like they had to have Tony act out of character to get the fight they wanted. For another, the whole Tony's parents thing was way out of left field -- shouldn't the motivation for the showdown between Cap and Tony at the end be somewhat related to what happens for the first two thirds of the movie, simply for storytelling's sake? Or maybe I missed something?

[UCFish]

The Airport Scene was so Great!

TLDNR above^

[Tomriddle]

And like, if Cap is going seriously fight Tony Stark, shouldn't it be due to some fundamental, deep convictions of the two characters being at odds. It should go to the heart of who they are. They should stand for ideas. They should challenge one another view of the world, and of themselves. And there should be real consequences. The whole Sokovia Accords thing kind of felt like Cap was for Bernie and Tony was for Hillary -- I get they disagree, but like... I dunno, you know?

Or maybe it's just me, I'm not trying to tell anyone what movies to like.

[UCFish]

Civil War is now the highest grossing movie of the year.

It will pass 1 billion this weekend.

[jaking1185]

Civil War has passed The Dark Knight Rises and is now the 4th highest grossing superhero movie of all time and is currently 16th all time.

[Jake]

finally saw this: thought it was excellent. Loved Spiderman and Black Panther. all the character motivations were clear

[junior94]

well this thing's come out on blu-ray now, so you knew wouldn't be far behind is the Honest Trailers take on it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZ3VQkK6Upo


it actually points out pretty well how the overall story here veers much closer to Batman v Superman than some people would probably like to admit. But one detail I was glad to see they pointed out, which was one of my few logic-based issues with the movie, was how in the hell did Tony Stark know that it was Peter Parker in particular that was Spiderman. It's one thing seeing and capturing footage of an early, cruder version of Spidey starting to do his thing around the city, but short of Tony just stalking him continuously, I'm not sure I see how he'd know

[JRS1386]

Theres no way that Stark doesn't have full access to all video camera surveillance in NYC. Also, he probably runs some algorithm for Jarvis to auto-scan it for empowered people

[bradshaw06]

Eh, most movies rely on sometimes ridiculous coincidences to further the plot.

This movies fight scenes were epic.