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Old 03-10-2014, 08:16 AM   #91
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Agreed on the bomb Za, even a small one in the right place to render all communications inoperable would do the trick. After the comms are down it is a simple matter to push the yoke all the way FWD and cause a catastrophic loss in altitude resulting in a mid ocean crash. A large bomb at altitude may scatter the plane all over but search and rescue would find more than just a slick and a few random debris pieces because many parts of a plane float.
I mean also like if a plane suddenly starts plummeting, won't GC get data saying so? Although I guess if they put it in the right spot like you said it'd shut down comms, but wouldn't that spot be somewhere below the cabin where people can't get?

Maybe I overestimate the ability of planes/instruments, it just doesn't seem like a plane, especially a Boeing, should be able to just vanish with no data saying something was wrong/happening. Even like a GPS system, which would be satellite data, right? One would think it would't all be so connected that everything would shut off. Sort of defeats the purpose of safety measures that should be in place.
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    From: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...27991198487418

    Pilot an co-pilot had to be either dead or unconscious if they did not squawk a distress signal. Seems more and more like foul play/terrorism.

    If this was the Uighurs they may have just stepped over a dangerous line with this one. They are located primarily in China and lets be honest, the Chinese government does not have the best track record with human rights and they have likely been itching to go wipe out the leadership of these savages by all mean necessary.
    Don't forget that Air France crash from Brazil didn't signal either.

    It happens, but very rare
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    Old 03-10-2014, 08:20 AM   #93
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    Yeah, this is weird. For there to be no sign of the plane at all is strange.
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    It's been what 3 days and still nothing???
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    Old 03-10-2014, 08:47 AM   #95
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    Although I guess if they put it in the right spot like you said it'd shut down comms, but wouldn't that spot be somewhere below the cabin where people can't get?
    Agreed but I have noticed that savages who would down an airliner do their homework so I think they could easily access the correct area to place a small bomb because all of those systems you would need to take out are below the cockpit so to speak and can be accessed through the kitchen hatch to the below areas - hell they wouldn't even need to access the cockpit too put it into a dive, it would be simple enough to rig the wires that control the ailerons and force a splashdown. Basically if you are on a plane, have done your research and are determined to take it down it is not all that hard.

    I cannot also rule out the possibility that the Chinese knew the plane was hijacked and simply sent up a couple fighters to shoot it down at high altitude to ensure something like 9/11 did not happen.

    The entire thing seems fishy to me.
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    Remember, it took 2-years for Air France.
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    Old 03-10-2014, 08:49 AM   #97
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    Yeah, this is weird. For there to be no sign of the plane at all is strange.
    A SAR plane apparently found some pieces of the plane but they have not been recovered yet.
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    Agreed on the bomb Za, even a small one in the right place to render all communications inoperable would do the trick. After the comms are down it is a simple matter to push the yoke all the way FWD and cause a catastrophic loss in altitude resulting in a mid ocean crash. A large bomb at altitude may scatter the plane all over but search and rescue would find more than just a slick and a few random debris pieces because many parts of a plane float.
    Wouldn't slamming into the ocean at such a high spead cause the plane to explode into pieces (debris) everywere? As in, it's not like the plane would take a submarine dive hundreds of feet down.
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    A SAR plane apparently found some pieces of the plane but they have not been recovered yet.
    Are you talking about the door/tail piece?

    If so, I think they went back and couldn't find them or something.

    So far, the only reports of debris I've read, they've either lost them, or confirmed they weren't part of the plane.
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    Remember, it took 2-years for Air France.
    but it took 5 days to find huge pieces of the wreckage.
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    Old 03-10-2014, 09:20 AM   #101
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    Wouldn't slamming into the ocean at such a high spead cause the plane to explode into pieces (debris) everywere? As in, it's not like the plane would take a submarine dive hundreds of feet down.
    What happens on impact with water is entirely dependent on rate of descent and and the trajectory of the plane on impact. Theoretically it could 'submarine' under some conditions.

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    Are you talking about the door/tail piece?

    If so, I think they went back and couldn't find them or something.

    So far, the only reports of debris I've read, they've either lost them, or confirmed they weren't part of the plane.
    Yeah, that is exactly what I meant the door and tail pieces. Who knows how this investigation is being run, somehow it does not seem to be as professional as an NTSB investigation. Like I said, the whole damn thing is fishy.
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    but it took 5 days to find huge pieces of the wreckage.
    Day three and counting, here...
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    Old 03-10-2014, 09:27 AM   #103
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    Wouldn't slamming into the ocean at such a high spead cause the plane to explode into pieces (debris) everywere? As in, it's not like the plane would take a submarine dive hundreds of feet down.
    I would've thought this too... however, the AF flight crashed relatively flat into the ocean. A good portion of the plane was in tact allowing them to recover most of the remains of the passengers on board.
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    Old 03-10-2014, 09:32 AM   #104
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    Even if it slammed into the water and broke up into a million pieces, you'd think something would be floating, like the seat cushions. An explosion would better explain why there's nothing so far.
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    Old 03-10-2014, 09:39 AM   #105
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    apparently the oil slick isn't from the plane

    all the "debris" they've found so far, none of it has been from the plane either.
    what's the oil slick from then. 9 miles???
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    If it's a place with shipping routes it could be from a million things.
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    Old 03-10-2014, 09:45 AM   #107
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    something tells me more is known about this than is being said so far.

    if there was really suspicion of a crazy mechanical failure you would think they would ground other 777's for testing.
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    Old 03-10-2014, 09:45 AM   #108
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    what's the oil slick from then. 9 miles???
    they confirmed it wasn't airplane oil i believe and from shipping vessels
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    something tells me more is known about this than is being said so far.

    if there was really suspicion of a crazy mechanical failure you would think they would ground other 777's for testing.
    fleet groundings for inspections would have to be based on more than suspicion. irregular maintenance can cause a failure for the mechanical side, not necessarily an OEM issue.

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    Old 03-10-2014, 10:02 AM   #110
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    Would be interesting if it was hijacked and landed safely on some island somewhere by terrorists. But I'd think we'd have heard some sort of ransom by now, or something. Very strange scenario all around. If it's in the Pacific (which I don't think it is, or at least not where they're looking), the plane would've had to have been broken up before impact to not leave pieces big enough to find.

    Just think about being asleep, in a plane, 35,000 feet above the Pacific, and having the cabin break apart.
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    Still doesn't make sense to me that no data from the plane reached anyone. Some link I read said that people received a mechanical failure notice from the Air France flight like an hour or so after it disappeared.

    So basically at this point, I've switched my theory from bombs to aliens.
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    The Others, that seriously seems just as probable at this point.
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    Old 03-10-2014, 10:17 AM   #113
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    Would be interesting if it was hijacked and landed safely on some island somewhere by terrorists. But I'd think we'd have heard some sort of ransom by now, or something. Very strange scenario all around. If it's in the Pacific (which I don't think it is, or at least not where they're looking), the plane would've had to have been broken up before impact to not leave pieces big enough to find.

    Just think about being asleep, in a plane, 35,000 feet above the Pacific, and having the cabin break apart.

    I thought this too.

    I was using Google Earth and looking at islands in the area and how much fuel/time they had left.

    They could have turned off whatever tracking devices the plane had and landed it somewhere (or maybe not, I'm sure radar could pick up a plane landing on an island somewhere)

    Even in the case all that happened, it would mean the hijackers would have had to seize every cell phone on the plane and throw them into the ocean to avoid being tracked or making calls.

    Too many "ifs" it seems for a safe landing somewhere, very sad.
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    I thought this too.

    I was using Google Earth and looking at islands in the area and how much fuel/time they had left.

    They could have turned off whatever tracking devices the plane had and landed it somewhere (or maybe not, I'm sure radar could pick up a plane landing on an island somewhere)

    Even in the case all that happened, it would mean the hijackers would have had to seize every cell phone on the plane and throw them into the ocean to avoid being tracked or making calls.

    Too many "ifs" it seems for a safe landing somewhere, very sad.
    Or just turn off wi-fi, if it was even available. Can't imagine a cell phone would do much good on a random ass island in the pacific.

    that said, after you have control of the aircraft it's pretty easy to say "give me your phone or you brain becomes wall paper."
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    there is a story from China that a relative of someone on the plane tried calling them and the call connected meaning the phone was functioning - no answer tho
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    maybe this was a terrorist test
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    Why would they land it somewhere and then not issue a statement. Or risk the chance they themselves couldn't communicate from said island.
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    Why would they land it somewhere and then not issue a statement. Or risk the chance they themselves couldn't communicate from said island.
    if they did land on some remote island im sure they wouldve had sat phones
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    Why would they land it somewhere and then not issue a statement. Or risk the chance they themselves couldn't communicate from said island.
    Yeah I don't buy the theory. The biggest one, if you are going to ransom them or something, what are you waiting for?
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    Why would they land it somewhere and then not issue a statement. Or risk the chance they themselves couldn't communicate from said island.
    hey, I never said it made sense

    But, none of the other theories have much more merit either

    It may have been turning around (there are more islands to the south of the plane than there were to the North).

    No communication from the plane (was hijacked and comm systems were shut off)

    no pieces of the plane have been found (plane never blew up/disintegrated and landed safely at a remote location).

    I'm not saying it makes a ton of sense, as there are a few other explanations for most of those ^^. but it doesn't make much less sense than most of the other theories, either.
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