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Old 06-02-2009, 01:30 PM   #1
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I weep for the future...

So I just got back from Best Buy. Went over there on my lunch break to grab the "BWGK" CD while I patiently wait for my pre-ordered vinyl copy.

As I was grabbing a copy off the display, a group of 3 kids comes over. Looked to be about 13 or so. One leans down and grabs one of the super deluxe boxes.

Kid #1: WHOA! Is this...

Kid #2: Dave Matthews?

Kid #1: Yeah, but is this one of those, uh, the big things? [Traces big round circle with his fingers.] The big, you know, what do they call them? L....LPs?

I realize they're young, but...

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    records --> tapes --> cds --> mp3s

    that's how technology works - and its not sad.
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    Old 06-02-2009, 01:34 PM   #4
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    I was hoping someone would get that!!
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    Old 06-02-2009, 01:34 PM   #5
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    I was hoping someone would get that!!

    only one of the best movies ever
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    Old 06-02-2009, 01:35 PM   #6
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    records --> tapes --> cds --> mp3s

    that's how technology works - and its not sad.

    It is sad, because we have an entire generation that is growing up on the shitty sound quality of sterile, compressed digital music and not even realizing it.
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    Old 06-02-2009, 01:37 PM   #7
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    get over it.
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    Old 06-02-2009, 01:38 PM   #8
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    One of the funniest things I've read all day!
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    Old 06-02-2009, 01:38 PM   #9
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    It is sad, because we have an entire generation that is growing up on the shitty sound quality of sterile, compressed digital music and not even realizing it.
    But most of the new generation is listening to shit music and they don't even know who DMB is so "good quality" of sound doesn't matter to them at all.
    I think most people think that MP3 is the same as CD quality, it's sad but very true.
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    Old 06-02-2009, 01:43 PM   #10
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    But most of the new generation is listening to shit music and they don't even know who DMB is so "good quality" of sound doesn't matter to them at all.
    I think most people think that MP3 is the same as CD quality, it's sad but very true.

    True. At least they knew who Dave Matthews was!
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    Old 06-02-2009, 01:43 PM   #11
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    Buy these kids some decent cans - then have them listen to their MP3s and watch them cringe

    lol
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    haha, I had to tell my coworkers that one. Priceless.
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    Old 06-02-2009, 02:19 PM   #13
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    i totally understand... but how would they know any better?
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    I wouldn't weep for that. Hell, I'm in my 30's and I've never bought an LP or owned a record player. Only ones I get are the Pearl Jam Ten Club Holiday Singles every year, and I always groan about them not switching to CDs and/or MP3s for those since I just end up giving them to my dad and listening when I visit.

    I buy cds, but rip them and do most of my listening on mp3. I've never been an audiophile, nor a musician, so it's all good to me.
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    i totally understand... but how would they know any better?
    They wouldn't. I don't blame them for not knowing...if I was born in the mid-90s I probably wouldn't know what a record was either, it just sucks that its all they know.
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    Old 06-02-2009, 05:10 PM   #16
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    Anyone know where I can get the 8-Track of this?
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    Old 06-02-2009, 05:17 PM   #17
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    face facts rich young kids who own iphones don't even know what cd's are let alone vinyl
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    It is sad, because we have an entire generation that is growing up on the shitty sound quality of sterile, compressed digital music and not even realizing it.
    I think anyone who actually think Vinyl has better sound quality than discs or tapes sniffed too much glue in the '70s.

    Vinyl makes a nice keepake and a nice reminder of the past. But in terms of "sound quality"...it's not even close.
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    you have to realize that being an audiophile is like moving up to scotch/whiskey from light beer.

    It's something you learn to appreciate as you get older and can afford it. light beer gets the job done, but its not necessarily the best.
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    Old 06-02-2009, 06:05 PM   #20
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    I think anyone who actually think Vinyl has better sound quality than discs or tapes sniffed too much glue in the '70s.

    Vinyl makes a nice keepake and a nice reminder of the past. But in terms of "sound quality"...it's not even close.
    Utterly, completely false. Clean vinyl played on good equipment is vastly superior to any digital media.
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    Utterly, completely false. Clean vinyl played on good equipment is vastly superior to any digital media.
    Bullshit.
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    Utterly, completely false. Clean vinyl played on good equipment is vastly superior to any digital media.
    first pass through an LP sure after a few listens...

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    Bullshit.
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    first pass through an LP sure after a few listens...
    Providing that your needles are good, a record can stay clean for many many listens. No doubt though that vinyl is rather fragile.
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    This doesn't support my view, but thought it was interesting that they were covering this debate back in 1993 when Vinyl was making a comeback then too.
    http://www.wired.com/listening_post/...deo-mtv-cover/

    of course, I think there is a damn good reason why the Vinyl supporters gave up long ago.
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    you have to realize that being an audiophile is like moving up to scotch/whiskey from light beer.

    It's something you learn to appreciate as you get older and can afford it. light beer gets the job done, but its not necessarily the best.
    I don't think I'll ever become an Audio or video phile, and I'm 30 and long since left cheap beer behind for good micro brews and imports (love a good imperial stout or IPA or barley wine) and whiskey.

    I just enjoy music, movies, tv, sports etc., but I'm just not uber picky about sound and video quality. More than the average joe, but not that much. I just enjoy the substance of the content, not the technical quality of how crisp and clear the picture and sound is.

    Especially for music since I can't sing or play any instruments, or have any knowledge of song writing, music theory etc. etc.
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    Bullshit.

    It's not bullshit, it's science.

    The sound on a vinyl record is an exact replica of the original waveform from the master tape. It's the sound exactly as it was recorded with no loss of frequency whatsoever.

    Digital sound, no matter how good, will always have some loss. Think of it like a loaf of bread. The analog sound on the vinyl is like a complete loaf of bread out of the oven, unsliced, completely together as it was baked.

    Digital sound is taking that loaf of bread and cutting it into slices. No matter how thin you cut the slices, you are going to lose some crumbs out of the original loaf when you do it.

    Digital sound has to be sampled at a specfic rate. The most common used is 44.1 KHz. That means that each second of the original analog sound wave is basically sliced into 44,100 pieces. That's a lot of pieces for one second, but it still is not an exact translation of the waveform.

    There's some other posters here that know the science of it better than I do, but that's the basic jist.
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    Old 06-03-2009, 08:34 AM   #27
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    first pass through an LP sure after a few listens...

    Again, I said on good equipment. A good, high end record stylus will actually polish the grooves in your record and IMPROVE it over time. The stock stylus that comes with a shitty $100 turntable from Best Buy, yeah, that will eat your records up over time.

    Doing vinyl right is an expensive hobby, but if you truly care about sound quality and have the means to put together a good system, it blows away digital sound.
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    I blame lolcats.
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    Old 06-03-2009, 08:38 AM   #29
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    This doesn't support my view, but thought it was interesting that they were covering this debate back in 1993 when Vinyl was making a comeback then too.
    http://www.wired.com/listening_post/...deo-mtv-cover/

    of course, I think there is a damn good reason why the Vinyl supporters gave up long ago.

    Vinyl supporters didn't give up long ago. Vinyl sales rose 56% last year, while all other media dropped. And that's just new vinyl - it doesn't take into account the scads of used records that are purchased by vinyl junkies all the time.

    Look, vinyl records are never going to be the dominant format again. No one ever implied that they were. People today are willing to sacrifice sound quality for ease, convenience, and portability. Some people have tin ears and can't tell the difference between a 128kbps mp3 file and a lossless .flac file.
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    People here are too critical. I probably didn't know what an LP was when I was 13, but I listen to vinyl all the time now. There is still hope for the future.
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