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Old 10-28-2016, 06:21 AM   #361
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Re: The Head and the Heart

I was at last night's show too, and I have a different take.

First the show was good, not great. The last minute change of venue and the upcoming Austin shows might have threw them off a little, because they weren't exactly as tight as I have seen them in the past. But still, very good. And I'm not blaming fake Josiah for that. I am not really a fan of most of his songs (I think they only played one, and Jon sounds better anyway), so the song selection was fine. The biggest issue was the horrible Houston crowd - they must of put glue on the floor, because no one was moving.
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    Glad to hear the shows are still good. I've been a huge fan, but this new album is not doing it for me. I've listened to it quite a bit, but it's very surface level. Also, losing Josiah is like losing a member of Crosby Stills and Nash. It sounds ok, but the magic is just not there.
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    Glad to hear the shows are still good. I've been a huge fan, but this new album is not doing it for me. I've listened to it quite a bit, but it's very surface level. Also, losing Josiah is like losing a member of Crosby Stills and Nash. It sounds ok, but the magic is just not there.
    new album is good.

    but i won't be going to anymore shows without Josiah.

    it's definitely not the same.
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    I saw them in Spokane, WA October 10th and in Baltimore last month. We've been able to build the shows into trips or planned visits. I don't think I'll be going to see them again unless Josiah comes back, which is a shame because we have Red Rocks tickets in August. I wonder if Josiah is that bad off or if they are contractually obligated with the new guy to finish this tour?

    The setlists are short and the harmonies are way off with that new guy. Josiah's songs and voice were such a huge part of their sound. Charity seems to have not mastered her vocal range yet and the whole band holds back, unlike when they used to leave their little areas to jam out together. It feels like they used to have a better time and now the cookie cutter element has taken hold. Jonathan probably likes to be in control of the band and has notoriously been a control freak, as well as unapproachable.
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    It's definitely not the same. I still enjoy it, and I'll still see them when they come to Austin, but I won't be going back to RR again or anything like that to see them unless Josiah comes back.
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    It's definitely not the same. I still enjoy it, and I'll still see them when they come to Austin, but I won't be going back to RR again or anything like that to see them unless Josiah comes back.
    I remember reading last year you were also at Red Rocks, so you experienced what we did as well. Of all the shows, that one was probably the best with the new sound, but like you said, definitely not the same.

    The only way we're going to that RR show is if we get the gumption to actually move to CO like we've been talking about. My wife's family lives there too, but no special trip will be made.
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    The live material I've watched online with the "fake Josiah" is all horrendous. Just off key, and not attempt at even noticing. It's like they've all gone tone deaf or something.
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    Old 01-14-2017, 10:17 AM   #368
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    I'm not sure how this flew under my radar, but "the new guy" Matt Gervais is Charity's husband. Learning this makes me feel like he isn't ever going to leave the band now. That explains why he sucks at harmonizing and is not a good fit. They looked no further than backstage for a replacement. A recent article said if Josiah comes back, the band may become a 7-piece, instead of a 6-piece like is used to be.
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    Yea I was disappointed when I heard that, for the same reason. He's probably there to stay even if Josiah comes back.


    I don't know if Josiah is ever coming back. Feels like Jon doesn't want him in the band.
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    Yea I was disappointed when I heard that, for the same reason. He's probably there to stay even if Josiah comes back.


    I don't know if Josiah is ever coming back. Feels like Jon doesn't want him in the band.
    I don't know either. I've been reading that Josiah has been doing solo shows in Seattle and it seems like the band is done with him. I feel like you're right about Jon.

    Hopefully, it won't be like Billy Corgan and The Smashing Pumpkins when Jon realizes 18 years later that nothing compares to the original band. It becomes a money grab and not about artistic integrity and what's right.
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    I'm kind of excited to see what Josiah's next project is, if he indeed doesn't come back. Solo is okay but I feel like he needs a group setting to feed off of.
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    That's a good outlook, I like the silver lining. If he's written anything lately it will probably be great. I agree, it just sucks that everyone on the outside like us fans see the magic of the group and Jon just wants to be in control and doesn't realize what they're doing now pales in comparison. Like you said, hopefully new projects with Josiah. Upward and onward.
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    If they only looked backstage for a replacement wouldn't that mean that they're not looking for a permanent solution? I hope Jos comes back, but i'll certainly be interested if he puts out solo material or something else.
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    I suppose that's one way to look at it and we all hope that's the case.

    Sidenote, I'm sure you're all aware of people constantly asking the band on Facebook if Josiah is coming back. Obviously, they never comment back. Today, a girl wrote a damning post, which frankly hit the nail on the head on how we all feel. It looks like Matt Gervais' sister came to his defense and commented back, "We all love and miss Josiah. Please be kind to someone who is just helping the tour happen."
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    The plot thickens, I posted that above and his sister's comment is deleted on Facebook. Most likely weird timing, but does the band or someone who's a part of their social media team have an account here? The comment was up for hours.
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    This thread might be the biggest message board presence that they have on the webs.


    I thought they had a fan dedicated one like Ants, Lostinmymind.org maybe (?) but I can't even find it anymore. And I don't think there's one on their site, like WH. So wouldn't surprise me if their social media person/people lurked threads like this or maybe on Reddit or something to get a temp on the fans.
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    holy shit that's hilarious. If this is it for them, then they need a new social media team, which is funny because they have nothing to do with this other than possibly lurking.
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    ALL WE EVER DOooOO, IS ALL WE EVER KNEW. LA LA LA LA LA LA, LA LA LA LA LA LA, LA LA LA LA LA

    mehh. not too great. not too fuckin great.

    and, yeah, josiah is cool. but for all his stans out there, lets not forget that the only song he wrote on the album---the title track, is so mediocre that it wouldn't impress on a suburban open mic stage. the way I see it, this band is essentially over when it comes to any sort of creative integrity. In terms of bland acoustic pop, however, they'll probably stick around until 2021- before Jon goes solo and tries to be Bruce Springsteen / Leonard Cohen, to the collective sigh of the populous
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    Probably because at that point, Josiah was out to lunch and couldn't hold it together.

    As far as suburbia goes, that song got more airtime than any of their previous work. Partly because they're with a major label Warner Bros and not SubPop anymore and ballwashing. Your assessment has validity because the album wasn't good.
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    I believe someone posted an acoustic version of that song in here. Justin maybe? It was a lot better stripped down though. The album definitely grew on me. Your Mother's Eyes is fantastic.


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    I get needing to find a quick replacement for Josiah for the tour last summer, but at this point it's obvious that the replacement isn't working. Time to find another good singer? In a band as popular as they are, I can't imagine finding someone to sing a little better would be that difficult. I mean that replacement guy cannot sing at all. HATH have always been a little flat or off in their melodies, but I forgave it because of the emotion in it. But it's really distracting now.
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    Why would they need to find a new guitarist - having Charity's husband cuts down tour expenses with one less hotel room.
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    mehh. not too great. not too fuckin great.

    and, yeah, josiah is cool. but for all his stans out there, lets not forget that the only song he wrote on the album---the title track, is so mediocre that it wouldn't impress on a suburban open mic stage. the way I see it, this band is essentially over when it comes to any sort of creative integrity. In terms of bland acoustic pop, however, they'll probably stick around until 2021- before Jon goes solo and tries to be Bruce Springsteen / Leonard Cohen, to the collective sigh of the populous
    yeaaaaaah.... that's part of the freez-out. more money in jon's pocket.
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    yeaaaaaah.... that's part of the freez-out. more money in jon's pocket.
    I think they've said in interviews that it's pretty diplomatic in terms of both choosing songs, and, as Kendrick would put it, dividing the yam between band members. Josiah has said in interviews that he was upset or discontented that he showed up to the "Let's Be Still" sessions with next to no new material to show ( Josh McBride and My Friends both being well old tunes). Jonathan seems to be a much more prolific songwriter in general whereas Josiah is a bit more analytical. Not saying that any of those two approaches is better... I think Signs of Light is fraught with forgettable material
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    I think they've said in interviews that it's pretty diplomatic in terms of both choosing songs, and, as Kendrick would put it, dividing the yam between band members. Josiah has said in interviews that he was upset or discontented that he showed up to the "Let's Be Still" sessions with next to no new material to show ( Josh McBride and My Friends both being well old tunes). Jonathan seems to be a much more prolific songwriter in general whereas Josiah is a bit more analytical. Not saying that any of those two approaches is better... I think Signs of Light is fraught with forgettable material
    Jon and Josiah wrote a LOT of material in LA.

    I think it's more of a matter of Jon realizing that marketing songs for commercials and what not is much more lucrative than album sales and touring... And you only get paid if your name is on the writing credit. Weird how SOL is the only song of Josiah's that made the cut after they abandoned the El Paso sessions for the Nashville one. Also funny how it's acronym is "SOL"...

    That said, I'd whole hog support Josiah on a solo venture or new band.

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    Does anyone know what happened with Chris, their bassist? I saw some pictures from the shows they have played in Europe recently and I looks like some other guy is filling in for him.
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    This thread might be the biggest message board presence that they have on the webs.


    I thought they had a fan dedicated one like Ants, Lostinmymind.org maybe (?) but I can't even find it anymore. And I don't think there's one on their site, like WH. So wouldn't surprise me if their social media person/people lurked threads like this or maybe on Reddit or something to get a temp on the fans.
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    join date in january 2017. first post...

    you're a spy, aren't you?!
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    join date in january 2017. first post...

    you're a spy, aren't you?!
    Lol, no just a lurker. I had been wondering about the Chris thing and saw that this thread was active and thought I might ask.
    Would be way cooler if I was a spy though
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    Lol, no just a lurker. I had been wondering about the Chris thing and saw that this thread was active and thought I might ask.
    Would be way cooler if I was a spy though
    didn't even know they were in europe. got some links to what you're talking about?
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    Same guy. He just has an amazing beard now. Although it does make him look like Chuck Noland.
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