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Approval - Very good 5 12.50%
Approval - Good 22 55.00%
Approval - Mediocre 7 17.50%
Approval - Poor 5 12.50%
Approval - Very poor 8 20.00%
Foreign Policy - Very strong 3 7.50%
Foreign Policy - Strong 8 20.00%
Foreign Policy - Mediocre 14 35.00%
Foreign Policy - Weak 11 27.50%
Foreign Policy - Very weak 8 20.00%
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Old 03-06-2016, 08:02 AM   #1
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President Obama - Approval Rating & Foreign Policy

This debate was beginning in the general election thread so I figured I would try to steer it into a new discussion thread.

Two polls - one, give your approval rating of President Obama. The second, rate how you feel about his foreign policy.

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    Only vote once per category, for foreign policy and general approval rating. There's 2 votes in now and each category has at least one vote :lol
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    slow down on the threads babe
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    very good very strong good President strong President love President protect Presifdent
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    I see lots of my right wing friends on FB say "well we let Obama in and we all know what a disaster that was". I'm curious what people view he did that was a disaster (not saying there isn't anything, I have a few in mind, but genuinely curious what actions or events will highlight him in negative light).
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    Good Presidency

    Gonna say Weak on Foreign policy based on Iran Deal, and dealings with Putin and Israel...but for the record I don't think he's been NEAR as bad as what you hear the GOP candidates saying.

    given the current crop of candidates I would gladly vote for an Obama third term
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    Good Presidency

    Gonna say Weak on Foreign policy based on Iran Deal, and dealings with Putin and Israel...but for the record I don't think he's been NEAR as bad as what you hear the GOP candidates saying.

    given the current crop of candidates I would gladly vote for an Obama third term
    why do you think this? or are you just basing it on trump calling it a "bad deal"
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    why do you think this? or are you just basing it on trump calling it a "bad deal"

    I do not base a single thought I have off of Donald Trump. I even said that I don't think its the disaster that you hear the GOP candidates saying it is.

    If the deal is followed, and it leads to a nuclear free middle east then Ill look back and give the man his praise. We are throwing Iran some trust here...which is my main issue with the deal
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    I do not base a single thought I have off of Donald Trump. I even said that I don't think its the disaster that you hear the GOP candidates saying it is.

    If the deal is followed, and it leads to a nuclear free middle east then Ill look back and give the man his praise. We are throwing Iran some trust here...which is my main issue with the deal
    I understand that, but I don't understand what our alternatives were / are
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    I don't see how you could say Obama has been anything other than a disaster in terms of foreign policy. I know he wasn't dealt the best hand but in many cases things are worse than when he took over.
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    I understand that, but I don't understand what our alternatives were / are

    Honestly theres a chance there wasn't a reasonable alternative... and lets hope we never have any foreign deals being negotiated by Trump
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    I don't see how you could say Obama has been anything other than a disaster in terms of foreign policy. I know he wasn't dealt the best hand but in many cases things are worse than when he took over.
    Can you elaborate on what is worse?
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    Well there's literally an Islamic caliphate now set up across a decent part of Iraq. Again, Bush absolutely laid the groundwork for this by going there in the first place but pulling out of Iraq prematurely is one of the primary reasons ISIS exists and has metastasized.

    Obama also has been pretty feckless in his dealings with Russia, basically allowing Putin to do whatever he wishes in Ukraine with minimal resistance.

    Libya is an absolute disaster. That can directly be attributed to Obama.

    Again, I know Obama didn't inherit a great situation but if I had to characterize his foreign policy, I think "weakness" would probably be a good word.
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    Foreign policy is a disaster: he has successfully alienated our allies and emboldened our enemies. He pulled right out of Iraq leaving a power vacuum subsequently filled by IS. He supported that "arab spring" and we all know how that turned out with the muslim brotherhood. He swapped 5 hard core jihadis for one traitor. He got duped by Iran in that nuclear deal, they got everything they wanted and we got squat. Bengazhi anyone? He is a constant jerk to Netanyahu. When Honduras removed their President in accordance to their constitution (which stipulates that the military will carry out that act) and the fool called it a coup. Hell, the guy is so full of himself he shit all over Britain by returning the bust of Churchill that they gave us after WW2 and to add insult to injury the arrogant moron's gift to the Queen was an iPod fully loaded with HIS speeches!

    Approval rating - honestly I cannot think of one decision the man has made that I agree with - please spare me the take down of UBL - ANY president worth a shit would have green light that mission yet the man brags about it as if he personally carried a rifle and took the SOB out!
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    Historically, the Obama presidency will be remembered as such


    "1st black president "
    "Obamacare was a ...."

    Presidents are recalled as snapshots. You know Warren Harding was scandalous. You know Lincoln freed the slaves, you know JFK was assassinated, you know Bush & Iraq. The snapshot on Obama is Obamacare. If it succeeds he will be recognized as a positive. If it fails a negative.




    All the other stuff, while important, is irrelevant. No one remembers Harding oversaw the Roaring 20's. No one remembers Lincoln suspended Habius Corpus. No one remembers JFK's tax cuts. No one wants to remember Bush & the 3% unemployment.


    Snapshots.
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    Well there's literally an Islamic caliphate now set up across a decent part of Iraq. Again, Bush absolutely laid the groundwork for this by going there in the first place but pulling out of Iraq prematurely is one of the primary reasons ISIS exists and has metastasized.

    Obama also has been pretty feckless in his dealings with Russia, basically allowing Putin to do whatever he wishes in Ukraine with minimal resistance.

    Libya is an absolute disaster. That can directly be attributed to Obama.

    Again, I know Obama didn't inherit a great situation but if I had to characterize his foreign policy, I think "weakness" would probably be a good word.
    Wasn't the withdrawal plan for Iraq already in place when Obama took office.
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    Well there's literally an Islamic caliphate now set up across a decent part of Iraq. Again, Bush absolutely laid the groundwork for this by going there in the first place but pulling out of Iraq prematurely is one of the primary reasons ISIS exists and has metastasized.

    Obama also has been pretty feckless in his dealings with Russia, basically allowing Putin to do whatever he wishes in Ukraine with minimal resistance.

    Libya is an absolute disaster. That can directly be attributed to Obama.

    Again, I know Obama didn't inherit a great situation but if I had to characterize his foreign policy, I think "weakness" would probably be a good word.
    if you were pres, what would you have done to make situation in libya better?

    same question on isis - you are pres, what do you do to stop isis?
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    You know Lincoln freed the slaves
    Actually Lincoln did not free one single slave. The slaves in the confederacy were not freed because the south didn't give a damn about his proclamation, the border states were exempt from freeing slaves because Lincoln feared if he included the border states they would end up siding with the rebs and lastly in the north there were few if any slaves to free.
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    if you were pres, what would you have done to make situation in libya better?

    same question on isis - you are pres, what do you do to stop isis?
    Obama basically single-handedly created the situation in Libya and his removal of all forces in Iraq created a power vacuum that has since been filled by ISIS.

    I'm not sure how what I would have done in both cases is relevant?
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    Actually Lincoln did not free one single slave. The slaves in the confederacy were not freed because the south didn't give a damn about his proclamation, the border states were exempt from freeing slaves because Lincoln feared if he included the border states they would end up siding with the rebs and lastly in the north there were few if any slaves to free.
    I know that and you know that, but it's the snapshot



    My 11 yr old just corrected her teacher on that fact a month ago.
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    You're right about the snapshot. One thing I heard in a Western Civ class a while back is that people should be judged within the context of their own time. Viewing Lincoln now, he could be viewed as quite progressive. Though, over the years, I've heard arguments made that within the context of the time he lived, he could be viewed as racist on many things.
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    same question on isis - you are pres, what do you do to stop isis?
    You fire up every aircraft and surface to surface missile capable of striking ground targets (B-52's, A-10's, B-2's, F-16's, F-15's, Apache's, little birds, drones, etc, etc) and bomb them to high heavens until the last man, woman, child or goat is dead then let the marines and special forces go in and paint the lines of the parking lot we created! They have done quite enough damage, shame we do not have a commander in chief with a pair of balls to stop these savages that his support for the arab spring created in the first place!
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    ah yes, the "turn it into a parking lot" defense
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    I know that and you know that, but it's the snapshot



    My 11 yr old just corrected her teacher on that fact a month ago.
    True.

    This is funny about your 11 year old Jake - it is tough for students of any age to correct their teachers. Hell when I wrote my masters thesis on General Nathan Bedford Forrest my teacher dinged me and gave me an a minus because I did not mention that he founded the KKK - I had to go t o her office with 5 books in hand all stating that he did not found the klan, rather he was elected their first grand wizard and when they got violent he actually disbanded the organization.

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    You're right about the snapshot. One thing I heard in a Western Civ class a while back is that people should be judged within the context of their own time. Viewing Lincoln now, he could be viewed as quite progressive. Though, over the years, I've heard arguments made that within the context of the time he lived, he could be viewed as racist on many things.
    Yeah, Lincoln was definitely a racist, I can't recall the actual quite but he stated that he'd never allow anyone in his family to marry a black. Also, he did not care one way or another about slavery, he wanted the union reunited regardless of what happened to the blacks.
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    ah yes, the "turn it into a parking lot" defense
    How do you think we beat both the japs and the germans in ww2? We bombed them until they threw in the towel. Yeah, it sounds mean but it is damn sure effective.
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    Obama basically single-handedly created the situation in Libya and his removal of all forces in Iraq created a power vacuum that has since been filled by ISIS.

    I'm not sure how what I would have done in both cases is relevant?
    i'm not so sure about "single handedly"
    NATO allies pushing US were not relevant?
    #arbspring


    that said, i'm of the belief that trying to instill democracy in the middle east through weapons isn't an overly successful strategy

    not sure there is a good strategy

    isis, or whatever the next version of isis looks like is going to happen no matter who is the commander in chief in the US
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    You fire up every aircraft and surface to surface missile capable of striking ground targets (B-52's, A-10's, B-2's, F-16's, F-15's, Apache's, little birds, drones, etc, etc) and bomb them to high heavens until the last man, woman, child or goat is dead then let the marines and special forces go in and paint the lines of the parking lot we created! They have done quite enough damage, shame we do not have a commander in chief with a pair of balls to stop these savages that his support for the arab spring created in the first place!
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    How do you think we beat both the japs and the germans in ww2? We bombed them until they threw in the towel. Yeah, it sounds mean but it is damn sure effective.
    I mean, sure...but there's a reason a whole bunch of countries got together and figured out what we should/shouldn't do even in war...
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    I mean, sure...but there's a reason a whole bunch of countries got together and figured out what we should/shouldn't do even in war...
    We both know that it will come down to the US or Russia taking IS down. Europe is essentially hopeless and on the side of helping the poor pains in the asses. Surprisingly enough France is the only country doing anything in this 'coalition' - yeah, Britain will send in some SAS guys and launch some airstrikes, Germany might send in a few MP companies but that is it from them. Israel would likely help but they don't trust obama and also have enough problems with terrorism of their own. The rest of the EU is pretty much hopeless and I don't expect help from asia, africa or south america so it really does boil down to who you'd rather have defeat the IS and have some influence in the region, frankly I would prefer it was the US rather than Russia.
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    How do you think we beat both the japs and the germans in ww2? We bombed them until they threw in the towel. Yeah, it sounds mean but it is damn sure effective.
    Effective at destroying buildings, yes, maybe not so effective at achieving our foreign policy objectives though.
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