Mr. Robot (USA show)

[thebridge15]

I definitely lost steam near the end of the season as well. the early part was enough for me to be in on S2 though

[junior94]

Originally Posted by GSUdawg521

It took me a while to be certain but "Evil Corp" is just how it's known to Elliot. So yeah, even when we see it flashing on screens and TV, apparently that's just sort of through the eyes of the narrator. They're just E Corp.

I'll freely admit, yea on my first run thru the series, I was a little confused by this as well, especially when you have other "bad guy" characters refer to it as "Evil Corp". But I fully got it on my rewatch a couple months back, yea that's just thru Elliot's internal filter.

btw the big reveal was kept from the cast along the way too, but I was reading an interview recently with Christian Slater, and he said at his agent at one point after reading the first couple of scripts saying "I have a feeling this guy might not really be there". So he was certainly picking up on it just from the page.
I still can't believe I didn't see it coming

[AllifromOhio]

So are we all in agreement that Slater isn't real?

[junior94]

Originally Posted by AllifromOhio

So are we all in agreement that Slater isn't real?

yea but, that's not something that's even a little bit open to interpretation. They made it blatantly clear by the end last year that he's only in Elliot's head (he was obviously at one point real, being his father, but is dead in the present day). right? or am I forgetting something

[Benny003]

Originally Posted by junior94

yea but, that's not something that's even a little bit open to interpretation. They made it blatantly clear by the end last year that he's only in Elliot's head (he was obviously at one point real, being his father, but is dead in the present day). right? or am I forgetting something

Granted, I'm not all the way through the season yet, but at least in episodes 4 and 5 other people make direct references to Mr. Robot. It's not blatant, but there are times where people have looked at Mr. Robot and talked to him while Elliot was standing in the room. I was specifically looking for it since I assumed he wasn't real. Like that part where Darlene is about to trigger the thermostat at Steel Mountain. Mr. Robot is talking directly to her and Elliot is off on the other side of the room. Then Elliot comes over later and starts talking to her.

I guess they are just taking liberties with it if he's not real assuming that Elliot was standing in Mr. Robot's spot at the time. It's kind of a fine line.

I started suspecting Mr. Robot wasn't real about the time he showed up at Allsafe after "he" had pushed Elliot off the pier and then asked Elliot to go to the bar for a drink.

[junior94]

Originally Posted by Benny003

Granted, I'm not all the way through the season yet, but at least in episodes 4 and 5 other people make direct references to Mr. Robot. It's not blatant, but there are times where people have looked at Mr. Robot and talked to him while Elliot was standing in the room. I was specifically looking for it since I assumed he wasn't real. Like that part where Darlene is about to trigger the thermostat at Steel Mountain. Mr. Robot is talking directly to her and Elliot is off on the other side of the room. Then Elliot comes over later and starts talking to her.

I guess they are just taking liberties with it if he's not real assuming that Elliot was standing in Mr. Robot's spot at the time. It's kind of a fine line.

I started suspecting Mr. Robot wasn't real about the time he showed up at Allsafe after "he" had pushed Elliot off the pier and then asked Elliot to go to the bar for a drink.

well if you remember the sort of 'rules' that Brad Pitt was recounting to Ed Norton toward the end of Fight Club, he says "you're still wrestling with it, so sometimes you imagine you're me with the real you watching me, and sometimes you're just you".

so throughout Mr. Robot, I believe Elliot constantly goes in and out of his psychosis. I think that's why there are scenes when all the characters are present, and Christian Slater is there talking to one of the other guys, while you see Elliot off in another spot. What you NEVER see, I believe, is both Elliot and Mr Robot communicating to a third party basically at the same time. In a practical, real world, God-POV way, it's ALWAYS Elliot talking to the person. But in Elliot's diseased mind, sometimes he's talking to that person as his normal Elliot self, sometimes he imagines himself standing by while Mr. Robot talks to that person.

I know, probably seems kinda confusing (especially when me of all people writes it ) But there's a moment that comes in either the finale, or the episode right before that, where it pretty blatantly demonstrates how it works. Trust me, you'll know it when you see it.

[justink]

slater most def dead.

[Benny003]

I finished watching season 1 last night. Those last 5 episodes were pretty great. I can't believe how dark this show really is. Like other shows, like Breaking Bad, are dark too, but in a different way. Mr. Robot is dark in a lot more twisted way. It's almost going into like Darren Aronofsky territory at times.

[junior94]

Originally Posted by Benny003

I finished watching season 1 last night. Those last 5 episodes were pretty great. I can't believe how dark this show really is. Like other shows, like Breaking Bad, are dark too, but in a different way. Mr. Robot is dark in a lot more twisted way. It's almost going into like Darren Aronofsky territory at times.

btw Benny, you probably don't even need me to point it out at this point, but the finale scene I was talking about where it's made crystal clear is when "Mr Robot" gets that dude to punch Elliot in the face in the coffee shop, because Elliot won't accept the truth that the guy is existing only in his mind.

[Benny003]

Originally Posted by junior94

btw Benny, you probably don't even need me to point it out at this point, but the finale scene I was talking about where it's made crystal clear is when "Mr Robot" gets that dude to punch Elliot in the face in the coffee shop, because Elliot won't accept the truth that the guy is existing only in his mind.

Oh yeah, for sure, it was clear way before that too.

[rconverse]

Hmm. Guess I should finish S1 now that I know a spoiler.

[meatball41]

Originally Posted by junior94

I'll freely admit, yea on my first run thru the series, I was a little confused by this as well, especially when you have other "bad guy" characters refer to it as "Evil Corp". But I fully got it on my rewatch a couple months back, yea that's just thru Elliot's internal filter.

It took me a while to grasp it as well, but the entire show is from the perspective of inside Elliott's head. And not just his point of view, but literally from inside his mind and how he sees and thinks about everything going on in his world.

[justink]

what the fuck is going on? i thought the old guy ate a bullet last season.

[justink]

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[justink]

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[AlpineValley804]

Originally Posted by justink

what the fuck is going on? i thought the old guy ate a bullet last season.

Different character.

[justink]

Originally Posted by AlpineValley804

Different character.

you sure??? i'm not sure what is real anymore...

[justink]

anyone think elliot is in an asylum? or prison?

he has a regimented day. hangs out with the black guy and eats every meal with him (could be another figment of his imagination). watches guys play basketball all day. Craig comes in and breaks up a possible yard fight with his blood hound and they all call him "sir" (he could be a prison guard)...

[scrock25]

Not an original idea, it's gaining tons of traction online though.

[AlpineValley804]

Originally Posted by justink

you sure??? i'm not sure what is real anymore...

I don't think at this point Elliot has had a single scene with the E Corp CEO and certainly never with the guy who offed himself.

They aren't the same character, and no reason to believe they are/were fake either.

[junior94]

Originally Posted by justink

anyone think elliot is in an asylum? or prison?

he has a regimented day. hangs out with the black guy and eats every meal with him (could be another figment of his imagination). watches guys play basketball all day. Craig comes in and breaks up a possible yard fight with his blood hound and they all call him "sir" (he could be a prison guard)...

Originally Posted by scrock25

Not an original idea, it's gaining tons of traction online though.

yea after watching Screen Junkies' recap of the whole show, this is what I think. With that huge reveal at the end of season 1, Sam Esmail realizes the most logical frequent response to that would be that now everyone is going to be LOOKING for hidden, deeper meanings in things, and another big twist. So he's set up this part of the story to be able to get away with having all those details to make it probably add up to that possible reality, but it's all just to fuck with us. Granted, what we're seeing may not be totally objectively real 100%, but it WON'T be that Elliot's in jail or some facility. I mean it's just too obvious. If so much of the audience is going to have that as their first guess (though admittedly I didn't think about at all before I read the theory), you probably don't want that to be the answer.


I'll tell you though, was I the only one who kind of assumed thru all of last year that his mom was dead, too? So I was very surprised to see her (well and the younger version of her was pretty hot). okay they could still say that she isn't alive if she's just a prison guard in the real reality, but I don't think that's the case.


and Casey you're right, no Elliot's never been in the same room with the Evil Corp CEO. The guy who's having the sit down with the government people about a bail out. The guy who killed himself on TV last year was just a high level PR person. Angela had her first major conversation with the bearded CEO guy in the immediate aftermath of that guy dying, and her second one right before the CEO was about to lead the memorial event for the suicidal guy.

[neumdogg]

What a bizarre 1st episode. Kinda slow, but I'll say it's setup. Not sure what it's setup for though.

[junior94]

^^ Sam Esmail did sort of expressly warn people, season 2 was going to feel a lot different than 1. Which honestly only got me more excited.

[Tiduwho]

Starting episode 1 right now. Awesome, it's the big eyed guy from The Pacific!

[scrock25]

Yup, Snafu.

[Tiduwho]

I was going to watch this show myself on my own time. I'm only a half hour in, and making the executive decision that this has to be a show to watch together.

It's already everything I hoped for.

[scrock25]

Yeah man, I hammered through the first season in a couple days, just bought the second season on Amazon yesterday evening.

I'm hooked.

[scrock25]

Seems pretty obvious that he's institutionalized somewhere in season II. Not sure one really needs Google or Reddit to tell you that.

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[artiej1120]

Loved Wednesday's episode, hopefully it sets into motion more of an uptempo pace for the rest of the season

[barbogast]

Oh good, there's already a thread on the first page for this show. I just binged hard through the first season + and am caught up now.

First of all, damn this show is good.

Anyone else thinking Elliot and Tyrell are one in the same? It's more of a stretch than Christian Slater not being real (which was painfully obvious for many episodes before they revealed it, really my one criticism of the writing), but it's certainly possible. IMO, at least. I don't read much about fan theories on shows, but I'm starting to think I might be right.

Also, to Scrock's spoiler, yeah, it's plain as day.