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Old 08-18-2013, 07:00 PM   #91
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Daft punk isn't a music legend? Most recognizable name in their genre, brought it to mainstream ears....
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    Whoa....legend officially means absolutely nothing. To grace2, if you had some #1 hits you are a legend. The only ones I agree with are Stevie wonder and MJ. The rest are good artists but far from legends.

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    you're exaggerating my point. and i'm not embarrassing myself. i'm simply bringing up a point that i understand is going to be in the minority on this website by knowing what most people's musical tastes are like on this forum. whether or not you agree with me, hopefully you respect my point because i think it is worth bringing up.

    and if you don't think the temptations are musical legends you are flat out wrong.
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    Legend gets thrown around too easily. I guess Lady Gaga is a legend. She has what, 2 or 3 albums?
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    Old 08-18-2013, 07:05 PM   #95
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    if it was the me of two years ago i would have agreed with everything you've said whygohome, i just think i've grown to have more respect for artists who can consistently create music that appeals to the mainstream, even though that's not the type of music i listen to when i'm by myself.
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    Old 08-18-2013, 07:09 PM   #96
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    if this is really your argument and i understand it's not because it contradicts the majority of what you've said previously, than justin timberlake is miles more of a legend than radiohead because more people enjoy his music.
    It doesn't contradict anything. I never said anything that contradicts "you either make music people like or you dont". I said timberlake isn't a legend becuse his music has no depth to it and it won't be remembered 20 years from now. I never said a single thing about sales or popularity affecting your legend status.

    I totally get that you're trying to troll me at this point but as you know, I can keep arguing all night if you want. I don't give a fuck if you think him and Chris brown and Cher and Duran Duran are legends, I do not.
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    Old 08-18-2013, 07:13 PM   #97
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    It doesn't contradict anything. I never said anything that contradicts "you either make music people like or you dont". I said timberlake isn't a legend becuse his music has no depth to it and it won't be remembered 20 years from now. I never said a single thing about sales or popularity affecting your legend status.

    I totally get that you're trying to troll me at this point but as you know, I can keep arguing all night if you want. I don't give a fuck if you think him and Chris brown and Cher and Duran Duran are legends, I do not.
    i don't think any of them are legends. i said i wouldn't be opposed to someone bringing up the argument (of chris brown, not sure where cher and duran duran came from).

    and yes it contradicts what you've said because you're talking about musicians being considered legends based on their musical depth, not their popularity (which i should mention i agree with). but when you say 'you either make music people like or you don't', it seems like you're arguing towards an artist who has a higher quantity of listeners rather than an artist of musical depth with a lower quantity of listeners.

    here's an article i would encourage you to read that brings up a similar point i have. http://blogs.citypages.com/gimmenois...c_festival.php

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    Old 08-18-2013, 07:17 PM   #98
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    Re: Justin timberlake

    What separates legendary from very talented has to be defined otherwise this is just going to continue to get out of hand. Talented doesn't = legendary. Popular doesn't = legendary, especially today when fame is so diluted.

    These are my criteria, but does anyone argue that in order to be considered a legend you have to have achieved a combination of the following:

    A) Transcended your industry in some way (The Beatles)

    B) Pioneered a new sound that permeated the culture and influenced other artists (Michael Jackson)

    C) Been recognized by the majority of the population as the undisputed king or queen of your genre over multiple decades.(Bob Dylan)

    Am I wrong here? This is not 'Nam! There are rules!
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    Re: Justin timberlake

    Chris Brown has done all of those. And Beyonce. Legends.
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    Old 08-18-2013, 07:20 PM   #100
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    What separates legendary from very talented has to be defined otherwise this is just going to continue to get out of hand. Talented doesn't = legendary. Popular doesn't = legendary, especially today when fame is so diluted.

    These are my criteria, but does anyone argue that in order to be considered a legend you have to have achieved a combination of the following:

    A) Transcended your industry in some way (The Beatles)

    B) Pioneered a new sound that permeated the culture and influenced other artists (Michael Jackson)

    C) Been recognized by the majority of the population as the undisputed king or queen of your genre over multiple decades.(Bob Dylan)

    Am I wrong here? This is not 'Nam! There are rules!
    i like this and i think me and whygohome are just having disagreements on how to define a mainstream artist as a legend (if at all)

    i think i would argue the boy band revolution permeated the culture and influenced many other artists and there was no bigger group than n sync

    well actually i didn't see that you said it has to be a combination. i think if you can just achieve one of those aspects you could be considered a musical legend.
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    Chris Brown has done all of those. And Beyonce. Legends.
    you bring up a good point
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    Old 08-18-2013, 07:22 PM   #102
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    nkotb was just as big as nsync way before they did it.

    and the backstreet boys were just as big as nsync while they did it.
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    He's not a legend yet but hey we'll see.
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    Nkotb is still remembered to this day I guess time will only tell if JT will break that type of threshold
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    nkotb was just as big as nsync way before they did it.

    and the backstreet boys were just as big as nsync while they did it.
    i do not believe new kids on the block were as big as n sync. n sync had the number one selling album of the entire 2000-2009 decade (no strings attached). plus they came at a time where boy bands were totally dominating the airwaves and changing mainstream music for good and n sync was at the forefront of that movement.
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    Beach Boys and The Beatles did pretty decent too.
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    i do not believe new kids on the block were as big as n sync. n sync had the number one selling album of the entire 2000-2009 decade (no strings attached). plus they came at a time where boy bands were totally dominating the airwaves and changing mainstream music for good and n sync was at the forefront of that movement.
    Where would they be without new kids?
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    Beach Boys and The Beatles did pretty decent too.
    please explain whatever this is
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    please explain whatever this is
    They were def huge boy bands before Pet Sounds.
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    Nkotb had a bunch of hits
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    Where would they be without new kids?
    yes new kids on the block influenced n sync. that doesn't change anything. i never argued that n sync was the original boy band i said they came at a very important time for mainstream music and managed to have an outrageous amount of success and i think that is worth a lot to justin timberlake as a mainstream musician.
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    They were def huge boy bands before Pet Sounds.
    the 1960-1964 beach boys/the beatles played instruments. they were entirely different than new kids on the block.

    and what does that have to do with anything?
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    yes new kids on the block influenced n sync. that doesn't change anything. i never argued that n sync was the original boy band i said they came at a very important time for mainstream music and managed to have an outrageous amount of success and i think that is worth a lot to justin timberlake as a mainstream musician.
    So from Greyblueyes post which you agreed with, which of the three criteria does nsync fit into?
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    i do not believe new kids on the block were as big as n sync.
    How old are you?
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    i don't think any of them are legends. i said i wouldn't be opposed to someone bringing up the argument (of chris brown, not sure where cher and duran duran came from).

    and yes it contradicts what you've said because you're talking about musicians being considered legends based on their musical depth, not their popularity (which i should mention i agree with). but when you say 'you either make music people like or you don't', it seems like you're arguing towards an artist who has a higher quantity of listeners rather than an artist of musical depth with a lower quantity of listeners.

    here's an article i would encourage you to read that brings up a similar point i have. http://blogs.citypages.com/gimmenois...c_festival.php
    people that make music with depth that people like, and do it while taking risks and pushing boundaries for several years are what i consider legends. i've said that about 10 times now. i havent mentioned overall sales figures or popularity at all. that comment about making good music was directed at your distinction of 'intellectual vs party' music which i think is dumb in this context. i think you're confusing yourself. If its good and popular, great. If its good AND NEW AND DIFFERENT AND THOUGHT PROVOKING AND PEOPLE BUY IT, then you're a legend in your own time.

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    What separates legendary from very talented has to be defined otherwise this is just going to continue to get out of hand. Talented doesn't = legendary. Popular doesn't = legendary, especially today when fame is so diluted.

    These are my criteria, but does anyone argue that in order to be considered a legend you have to have achieved a combination of the following:

    A) Transcended your industry in some way (The Beatles)

    B) Pioneered a new sound that permeated the culture and influenced other artists (Michael Jackson)

    C) Been recognized by the majority of the population as the undisputed king or queen of your genre over multiple decades.(Bob Dylan)

    Am I wrong here? This is not 'Nam! There are rules!
    JT fits none of these, despite making good music.
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    Please do not compare beach boys and Beatles to boy bands jesus
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    So from Greyblueyes post which you agreed with, which of the three criteria does nsync fit into?
    as i already said 'Pioneered a new sound that permeated the culture and influenced other artists'
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    How old are you?
    21. so yes, i wasn't around when nkotb were doing their thing but frankly i think this is a bit irrelevant as i never argued that n sync was reinventing the wheel. i do believe they influenced many future mainstream artists because they picked the boy band thing back up.
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    ok that is what i figured. New kids were fucking huge at one point. It was ridiculous.
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    people that make music with depth that people like, and do it while taking risks and pushing boundaries for several years are what i consider legends. i've said that about 10 times now. i havent mentioned overall sales figures or popularity at all. that comment about making good music was directed at your distinction of 'intellectual vs party' music which i think is dumb in this context. i think you're confusing yourself. If its good and popular, great. If its good AND NEW AND DIFFERENT AND THOUGHT PROVOKING AND PEOPLE BUY IT, then you're a legend in your own time.
    right at that is where we disagree. i truly believe that pop music has changed and separated itself very far from other types of music and none of this can be answered until we see how these artists are viewed many years from now.

    also, i obviously agree with your definition of musical legend. i'm just arguing that there could be a different type of musical legend.
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