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View Poll Results: How will the new album rank against the others?
Big 3 standard 40 11.76%
tLWS standard 33 9.71%
Between the Big 3 and Busted Stuff 111 32.65%
As good as Busted Stuff 60 17.65%
Between BS and Big Whiskey 67 19.71%
As good as BW 20 5.88%
Between BW and Everyday 3 0.88%
As good as ED 3 0.88%
Somewhere below all of the above 3 0.88%
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Old 01-05-2012, 10:53 AM   #1
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At a risk of beating the dead horse further, how will the new album rank against the others? I wanted to collate opinions in one codified document

I ranked the albums as I would expect a typical Ant to rank them.
For the record, my Big 3 switches UTTAD and BS.
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    Old 01-05-2012, 10:58 AM   #3
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    Re: Expectations

    So I take it we're ranking them on how good YOU feel each of their previous albums were? Or is it based on each individuals perception of the previous albums?

    "As good as ED" could mean a phenominal album to one person, and the worst album they've ever made to another.
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    A simple numerical system would have worked better, considering this is all wrong.
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    well with lillywhite producing again, i think we're all having expectations for it to be on par with the big 3 and tlws. I'm interested to see what will come of it.
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    I feel like it has more of a Busted Stuff vibe. So, I guess that puts me somewhere between BS and BW. I'm not sure, though.
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    Big Three
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    That's where I'm expecting this one to be. Keep on moving up.
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    Re: Expectations

    Crash
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    Old 01-05-2012, 11:42 AM   #10
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    Re: Expectations

    personally i'd say between BS and ED, but as that wasn't an option i went between BS and BW. I really don't think they're gonna come out with any more 'classics' on a par with grey street, bartender, captain, YNK or KKJ (i'm not a fan of many of the rest on the album, thus they're not 'classics', but i still don't think many will be beaten). I'm open to being proved wrong, but i don't think it's going to happen.
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    Old 01-05-2012, 11:44 AM   #11
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    Re: Expectations

    theyll never write a group of songs as good as BS again.

    i seriously dont think dave has it in him. there may be 4-5 great songs, but there will be 1-3 that are you and me ish.
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    Re: Expectations

    I think the expectations will be so inflated with Lillywhite returning that the material will be solid, but considered a disappointment in some ways by many. I just hope Tim doesn't overpower on electric and Boyd shows up this record. If that happens, I think there's a good chance that with some of the teases of new material we've heard, it will be a good one, especially with a producer that captured their initial sound and brought it to all of us on a national, international level.
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    So I take it we're ranking them on how good YOU feel each of their previous albums were? Or is it based on each individuals perception of the previous albums?

    "As good as ED" could mean a phenominal album to one person, and the worst album they've ever made to another.

    Ranking them against the average Ant's view. That's why I said in the first post that even though I voted between Big 3 and BS, I would put BS in the Big 3 instead of UTTAD... Does that explain it?

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    A simple numerical system would have worked better, considering this is all wrong.
    Nah, I think this way makes it more interesting; this way doesn't work perfectly but it's pretty straightforward still. See my answer ^^
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    theyll never write a group of songs as good as BS again.

    i seriously dont think dave has it in him. there may be 4-5 great songs, but there will be 1-3 that are you and me ish.
    So it's songs over production for you, i guess?
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    theyll never write a group of songs as good as BS again.

    i seriously dont think dave has it in him. there may be 4-5 great songs, but there will be 1-3 that are you and me ish.
    I'd be pretty happy if they could come up with 4-5 legitmately great songs out of a (presumably) 11-12 song album.

    It really depends on lyrics. Musically, the album should be great. Hopefully they let the songs breathe and don't condense them into 4 minutes.
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    For me, it wouldn't take very much effort for them to make something better than ED and SU. I think they worked pretty hard on BW and we all know how that turned out. If you don't like it, you probably won't like the next record much more than that. I happen to think it was a good album. I honestly didn't think we'd see another 'good' studio effort from this band. I think the next record (if they are willing to put in at least as much work as BW) could be better, but I'm not anticipating it to be anywhere close to the big three or BS. Which doesn't mean it won't be good... I just don't think it will be 'all time' great.
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    I hope for a record that's better than anything the band recorded after LWS.

    I expect a record that's better than ED, SU and BWGK.
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    So it's songs over production for you, i guess?
    i would say musically, DMB was strong on BW. although im not a big jeff/rashawn duo fan, thats more live, and on most of the songs that they werent around for when they were written, but they did sound decent on the record that they helped create. i also dont mind tim.

    lyrically is where the well is dry, IMO. as ive stated in that one thread, its absolutely 50/50 when it comes to quality of song. i need great lyrics, along with the great music.

    a good album will make me respect jeff and rashawn better in DMB. i dont think they do a great job on classics taking over for Roi, and i know im not popular becaues of this, but if they help create great music then sets and live performances will improve.

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    So it's songs over production for you, i guess?
    Shouldn't that be the case for anyone? I mean, the songs on the big three were already great before Lillywhite got his hands on them. He helped give them more life sure... but it's not like he wrote the songs.
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    Big Three
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    That's where I'm expecting this one to be. Keep on moving up.
    . These are my exact thoughts. That's what I'm thinking/hoping for. I'd love to be able to lump this bad boy in with the big 3 and tlws though. That would be a pleasant surprise.
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    At a risk of beating the dead horse further, how will the new album rank against the others? I wanted to collate opinions in one codified document

    I ranked the albums as I would expect a typical Ant to rank them.
    For the record, my Big 3 switches UTTAD and BS.
    Somewhere between the big 3 (all time best records by any band) and Busted Stuff (which sucks).
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    I'm thinking probably just as good as Big Whiskey. If it's any better I will be very surprised.
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    I'm thinking probably just as good as Big Whiskey. If it's any better I will be very surprised.
    You don't think Steve Fuckin Lillywhite can do a better job with this band than Rob Cavallo? Someone should send you a copy of the Lillywhite Sessions immediately.
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    You don't think Steve Fuckin Lillywhite can do a better job with this band than Rob Cavallo? Someone should send you a copy of the Lillywhite Sessions immediately.
    steve doesnt write the music.
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    You don't think Steve Fuckin Lillywhite can do a better job with this band than Rob Cavallo? Someone should send you a copy of the Lillywhite Sessions immediately.
    I don't think the Dave Matthews Band can do better these days than what they did for the last album. They will be the ones writing the music. Do you think songs like Blackjack and Break For It are anywhere near the material on the Big 3?
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    steve doesnt write the music.
    Exactly... I think BW might have been slightly better with Lillywhite b/c he might've challenged Dave to write some more compelling lyrics. Other than that, I don't think the music would have been much different.
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    steve doesnt write the music.
    1. Production matters. See Busted Stuff (which blows) vs. Lillywhite Sessions (which is amazing). Most of the songs are the same.

    2. No, Steve doesn't write the music. But he does lock Dave in small rooms and not let him out until he writes good music, or Dave doesn't come out of the room. That's a fact.

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    I don't think the Dave Matthews Band can do better these days than what they did for the last album. They will be the ones writing the music. Do you think songs like Blackjack and Break For It are anywhere near the material on the Big 3?
    No I don't. But I think Steve will push them for better material, and I KNOW his arrangements will be better than Cavallo's.
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    Shouldn't that be the case for anyone? I mean, the songs on the big three were already great before Lillywhite got his hands on them. He helped give them more life sure... but it's not like he wrote the songs.


    Not for me, at any rate. I think the songs on UTTAD are insane, but the production/mixing whatever isn't my cup of tea. So I prefer Busted Stuff and Everyday because I prefer the mixing of those songs, even though I like the songs equally on BS, and less so ED, clearly.
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    i'm not getting my hopes up for this album at all. it excites me that they are working with lillywhite again, but i'm not jumping on the "he's the greatest thing to ever happen to dmb" train. the new album will probably be mediocre and sub-par dmb work like the rest of their post 2000 material. but i really hope i'm dead wrong.
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