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Old 12-09-2014, 06:34 AM   #61
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A friend of mine noted that almost all of the women he knows who listen to the show think Adnan is innocent, and the only ones who think he is definitely guilty are men. I thought it was an interesting observation.

I've been listening to the show with my wife, and she thinks Jay is so sketchy and "how could anyone believe him?" But that's the exact reason that I do believe him. I just don't think a guy that sketchy could be thoroughly believed unless he was telling the truth (or at least mostly truth). Jay is definitely hiding something (probably downplaying his or someone else's involvement) but I think Adnan's guilty.
Whenever Adnan talks he does that high pitched, overly emphatic thing that liars do. Salesman do it too. Ladies love it.

Jay is definitely dirty, but I can't tell if its dump-the-body dirty or something much worse.
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    I think what makes the most sense is that they did it together and jay's inconsistencies are because he is trying to limit his involvement but is unsure throughout the way on what looks better or worse for him. the detectives blow it off because he's giving them another person who did it

    what I don't get is why either of them would do it
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    Old 12-09-2014, 06:50 AM   #63
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    so he's such a liar that he's telling the truth? I'm no expert but that doesn't seem to stand up to much logical analysis.
    Yeah, I guess I'm thinking more along the lines of, how could Jay have been so believable in the courtroom given his character? On the other hand, maybe people (including the police and detectives) wanted his story to be true so that the case could be closed and you're not left with an unsolved murder.

    On a sheer gut level, I believe Jay and think Adnan is extremely manipulative.
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    Old 12-09-2014, 06:52 AM   #64
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    I think what makes the most sense is that they did it together and jay's inconsistencies are because he is trying to limit his involvement but is unsure throughout the way on what looks better or worse for him. the detectives blow it off because he's giving them another person who did it

    what I don't get is why either of them would do it
    Agreed to the bold. The motive is really weak, unless Adnan is more psychopathic than anyone realizes...which it sounds like may be part of the topic of this week's episode.
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    I also listen to a newer podcast called "Criminal". Theyre about 20 or so minutes and each one deals with a different type of criminal case.
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    Old 12-09-2014, 06:55 AM   #66
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    I think what makes the most sense is that they did it together and jay's inconsistencies are because he is trying to limit his involvement but is unsure throughout the way on what looks better or worse for him. the detectives blow it off because he's giving them another person who did it

    what I don't get is why either of them would do it
    Adnan makes sense: Jealous ex-boyfriend.

    Jay makes no sense that I can see.
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    Old 12-09-2014, 06:57 AM   #67
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    I also listen to a newer podcast called "Criminal". Theyre about 20 or so minutes and each one deals with a different type of criminal case.
    Just started this one as well. I wish the stories were a little more fleshed out, but it's entertaining nonetheless.
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    Old 12-09-2014, 06:59 AM   #68
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    Adnan makes sense: Jealous ex-boyfriend.

    Jay makes no sense that I can see.
    jay makes more sense to me, because of those snippets in his centered episode about how he's pretty much just a crazy person. I feel like he went along for the ride because why not and only afterword realized that he was completely fucked unless he turned in adnan

    when he breaks down at his sentencing I feel like that would have been hard to fake. so while he didn't literally kill hae, the story he told was more or less true

    adnan I'm just not sure. I don't buy jealous ex boyfriend because for whatever reason I feel like that would lead to him going after don rather than hae
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    Old 12-09-2014, 07:01 AM   #69
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    adnan I'm just not sure. I don't buy jealous ex boyfriend because for whatever reason I feel like that would lead to him going after don rather than hae
    That's how normal people think. Sociopathic killers don't think that way.
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    Just started this one as well. I wish the stories were a little more fleshed out, but it's entertaining nonetheless.

    I've been looking for another podcast to listen to that is somewhat in the vein of this one. May check that one out, but 20 minutes really doesn't seem like enough time to do much with a case.
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    I finally caught up to the latest podcast, like Sarah, I go back and forth between whether he did it or not. I believe that both him and jay here involved in the killing but am not sure which was more involved/strangled her.

    The fact that Sarah (and me, to be honest) is so infatuated with Adnan tells a lot. He's a smooth talker, manipulator and can make you believe anything without even trying. He doesn't seem to fit the profile of someone capable of doing such a heinous crime. That means jack shit though. The only thing that made me think "yup, he was definitely involved" was the fact that he didn't try to contact Hae Min Lee when she was missing. That was his biggest mistake.
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    The best thing this podcast does is show us how bad our judicial system can be. Regardless, there was not enough to convict him, IMO.
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    Would you think someone who says, "I'm gonna stab you cause you've never been stabbed before", is a sociopath?
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    ^^but that raises the question I brought up on the first page (and which, IMHO is the real point of the podcast as a whole, rather than focusing on just this one case)--if Adnan did it, is it the state's duty to make sure he goes to jail, or is it the state's duty to present the case as it stands, with all the holes we see that the jury did not?
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    ^^but that raises the question I brought up on the first page (and which, IMHO is the real point of the podcast as a whole, rather than focusing on just this one case)--if Adnan did it, is it the state's duty to make sure he goes to jail, or is it the state's duty to present the case as it stands, with all the holes we see that the jury did not?
    I forget who in the podcast said it, maybe the crime detective she interviewed (one that was not involved with this case), that said something along the line of prosecutors don't look for the truth, they look for whatever will give them the best case for conviction. That involves throwing away crucial evidence that doesn't support your (the state's) theory.
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    just started listening!! no spoilers!! 2 episodes in and I love it.
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    just started listening!! no spoilers!! 2 episodes in and I love it.
    Dude goes to jail.
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    I forget who in the podcast said it, maybe the crime detective she interviewed (one that was not involved with this case), that said something along the line of prosecutors don't look for the truth, they look for whatever will give them the best case for conviction. That involves throwing away crucial evidence that doesn't support your (the state's) theory.
    But is that the right way of doing things? Is that the best use of the state's limited resources?
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    But is that the right way of doing things? Is that the best use of the state's limited resources?
    To me, no. That's like saying "meh, we aren't sure that this is the right guy but we have enough to sell it, if we take away some parts." But, that is their job. I agree that the point of this podcast is to point of the flaws of the system. That a journalist can put together things that the case didn't. Quotes from jurors saying "oh..I didn't know that" or whatever.

    Also, this is 1999-2000. I think it would've been a lot harder to prove or disprove things back then. I'd be really interested to see what this case looked like in todays world with constant tracking of people via social media and cell phones.
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    I forget who in the podcast said it, maybe the crime detective she interviewed (one that was not involved with this case), that said something along the line of prosecutors don't look for the truth, they look for whatever will give them the best case for conviction. That involves throwing away crucial evidence that doesn't support your (the state's) theory.
    no it doesn't. you can't just throw away evidence. everything is given to the defense during discovery, whether the prosecution is going to use it or not.
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    Throw away was the wrong term, I know defense gets the evidence too. The prosecution did some shady things and the defense dropped the ball, a lot.
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    Throw away was the wrong term, I know defense gets the evidence too. The prosecution did some shady things and the defense dropped the ball, a lot.
    ah, okay.

    all i know is that i'm gonna be pissed if there's no reveal or twist to this thing.
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    Would you think someone who says, "I'm gonna stab you cause you've never been stabbed before", is a sociopath?
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    I forget who in the podcast said it, maybe the crime detective she interviewed (one that was not involved with this case), that said something along the line of prosecutors don't look for the truth, they look for whatever will give them the best case for conviction. That involves throwing away crucial evidence that doesn't support your (the state's) theory.
    He said that, but about the detectives, not the prosecutors.
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    ah, okay.

    all i know is that i'm gonna be pissed if there's no reveal or twist to this thing.
    There's not, unless it happens in real life. It's not fiction or a finished story. We're essentially learning what she is only slightly after she does. She even mentioned the appeal on last episode, meaning she does a lot of the episodes the week before they are posted.
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