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Old 03-08-2016, 06:50 PM   #121
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Re: NFL Draft 2016 / NFL Offseason Thread

I'll take Charles Johnson at 3 mill compared to JPP at 10.5
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    2) His 2016 cap hit was 24mm, they won't get all of that freed because of bonuses, but you are factually wrong about what his cap number was, because again, what are the odds you know more about this than me?

    http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf...potential.html
    Stand corrected. I was looking at his dead money number thinking it was his overall cap hit before retirement... not what they still have to pay him even after retirement. Either way, you got Marvin Jones, so all is well. Shouldn't be too much of a dropoff...

    Ivory to the Jags for 5 years, $6 mil per. YIKES.

    Janoris Jenkins contract is terrible because he's not that good.

    Travis Benjamin to the Chargers is a nice move. Complements Allen well.

    Raiders are going to have a scary defense.
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    Stand corrected. I was looking at his dead money number thinking it was his overall cap hit before retirement... not what they still have to pay him even after retirement. Either way, you got Marvin Jones, so all is well. Shouldn't be too much of a dropoff...

    Ivory to the Jags for 5 years, $6 mil per. YIKES.

    Janoris Jenkins contract is terrible because he's not that good.

    Travis Benjamin to the Chargers is a nice move. Complements Allen well.

    Raiders are going to have a scary defense.
    At the front 7 anyway. Their secondary is dreadful. Outside of Amerson (and I'm not sold on him yet) and maybe Carrie there isn't a capable DB on the team.

    Have we seen guaranteed numbers on Ivory yet? It's probably not as bad as it looks. Yeah, they had to spend money to even reach the floor, but I don't see them doing it with that contract to reach the floor in 2019-2020.
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    Re: NFL Draft 2016 / NFL Offseason Thread

    Trade with Miami & Philly on hold because of Byron Maxwell's non-tackling ass having a bum shoulder


    son of a bitch. Bad start to the day
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    I'll take Charles Johnson at 3 mill compared to JPP at 10.5
    JPP deal is expected to be incentive-heavy, where Charles Johnson will likely get full guarantee.
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    Old 03-09-2016, 06:47 AM   #127
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    that Dolphins D-Line should be great this year.
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    Trade with Miami & Philly on hold because of Byron Maxwell's non-tackling ass having a bum shoulder


    son of a bitch. Bad start to the day
    I always wonder what happens with these things behind closed doors. Did Philly know? Did they miss it? Does it make it hard to deal with a team in the future if they did try to pull a fast one or is it just part of doing business?

    I can understand when these things happen with FA's, like with Saffold and Oakland last year, but this always seems shady to me. Maybe I'm reading too much into it.
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    that Dolphins D-Line should be great this year.
    Wake/Suh/Vernon didn't make it great last year. I'd love for anyone in that division outside of the Pats to be relevant again consistently, but I'll hold my breath. Yes, they added Williams, but you have to believe they're going to lose Vernon, and Wake is what? 34?
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    JPP deal is expected to be incentive-heavy, where Charles Johnson will likely get full guarantee.
    JPP got $8.5 mil guaranteed. The Charles Johnson deal is lightyears better even if fully-guaranteed.

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    that Dolphins D-Line should be great this year.
    Every year some part of the Dolphins is supposed to be great. Every year they stink top to bottom.
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    Every year some part of the Dolphins is supposed to be great. Every year they stink top to bottom.
    Beat you!
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    Beat you!
    I think the whole country knows it at this point.
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    JPP deal is expected to be incentive-heavy, where Charles Johnson will likely get full guarantee.
    OH LORD.
    4.25M signing bonus
    4.25M base salary
    1.2M roster bonus
    70k per game bonus
    500k in incentives.

    RFC Jerry
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    Old 03-09-2016, 06:56 AM   #134
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    Re: NFL Draft 2016 / NFL Offseason Thread

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    JPP got $8.5 mil guaranteed. The Charles Johnson deal is lightyears better even if fully-guaranteed.



    Every year some part of the Dolphins is supposed to be great. Every year they stink top to bottom.
    Agree.

    They were early SB contenders on some predictions last year.
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    I think the whole country knows it at this point.
    Well...yeah, but I've given up trying to figure out what the rest of this country thinks, and not just with football.

    This might actually be the only football 'forum' I've been on the past few weeks that doesn't still think Al Davis' pox-scarred face is running the Raider franchise from his overhead projector.
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    Re: NFL Draft 2016 / NFL Offseason Thread

    Dolphins take Transition tag off Vernon. Let the bidding begin.
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    Agree.

    They were early SB contenders on some predictions last year.
    I can see Oakland being that sexy sleeper pick this year or next. Do not want. That hardly ever works out haha.
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    Dolphins take Transition tag off Vernon. Let the bidding begin.
    Giants are clearly not scared to overpay. I bet that's where he ends up by the end of the day.
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    Dolphins take Transition tag off Vernon. Let the bidding begin.
    I've seen this in other places and I don't understand how that changes anything unless no one wants to pay him the tag price, which obviously isn't going to happen. Couldn't teams bid for him anyway or am I missing something?
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    Old 03-09-2016, 07:03 AM   #140
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    I've seen this in other places and I don't understand how that changes anything unless no one wants to pay him the tag price, which obviously isn't going to happen. Couldn't teams bid for him anyway or am I missing something?
    Only Dolphins were able to negotiate long term until 4pm today. Now, it's an open market. Also read Dolphins will receive compensatory pick when he leaves.
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    Giants are clearly not scared to overpay. I bet that's where he ends up by the end of the day.
    They've got the money and it's one of the few positions Jerry has proven to overpay for. Can't wait for his $19.5M a year contract.
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    I always wonder what happens with these things behind closed doors. Did Philly know? Did they miss it? Does it make it hard to deal with a team in the future if they did try to pull a fast one or is it just part of doing business?

    I can understand when these things happen with FA's, like with Saffold and Oakland last year, but this always seems shady to me. Maybe I'm reading too much into it.
    apparently he told the Eagles there was no issue and was going along with offseason training program as if there was nothing wrong, and then when he went to Miami for the physical he told them he couldn't bench press because of his shoulder.

    So it seems like it was Maxwell lying to Philly if anything, and not so much us trying to pull a fast one on Miami. All very strange. If trade falls through itll pretty much be impossible to bring Maxwell back
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    They've got the money and it's one of the few positions Jerry has proven to overpay for. Can't wait for his $19.5M a year contract.
    I don't mind overpaying for a guy like Vernon who is already playing at a high level and still has a solid 6-7 years of high-level football ahead of him.

    JPP, whose best years are well behind him... not so much. Jenkins, who doesn't really have any best years... not so much either.
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    Only Dolphins were able to negotiate long term until 4pm today. Now, it's an open market. Also read Dolphins will receive compensatory pick when he leaves.
    So other teams can't negotiate with transitioned players during the tampering window? I did not know that.

    Every team receives a comp pick when a FA leaves, based on contract/performance.That doesn't have anything to do with the tag.

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    apparently he told the Eagles there was no issue and was going along with offseason training program as if there was nothing wrong, and then when he went to Miami for the physical he told them he couldn't bench press because of his shoulder.

    So it seems like it was Maxwell lying to Philly if anything, and not so much us trying to pull a fast one on Miami. All very strange. If trade falls through itll pretty much be impossible to bring Maxwell back
    Gotcha, that makes sense.
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    So other teams can't negotiate with transitioned players during the tampering window? I did not know that.

    Every team receives a comp pick when a FA leaves, based on contract/performance.That doesn't have anything to do with the tag.
    Transition tag players don't get compensatory picks. That's why the Dolphins removed it.
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    I like the thought of a Forte/Lacy backfield... makes a good amount of sense for the Packers. Packers have plenty of cap space and a vet to coach up Lacy a bit. Plus, with Lacy, Forte doesn't need to play as much, thus increasing his longevity and Lacy's.

    Skinny Lacy and Forte... that's a very appealing 1-2 punch.
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    Transition tag players don't get compensatory picks. That's why the Dolphins removed it.
    Didn't know that. I always assumed it was the same a FA. Thanks.
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    Haven't backread yet,

    Has CrashDMB shit all over the Janoris Jenkins contract yet?
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    Haven't backread yet,

    Has CrashDMB shit all over the Janoris Jenkins contract yet?
    Yes, because it's bad. In no universe should he be the second highest paid CB in the league.

    Fully in favor of the Giants overpaying for Vernon though. They can afford it, he's young, and he's already good.
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    Haven't backread yet,

    Has CrashDMB shit all over the Janoris Jenkins contract yet?
    I wanted him in Oakland. Hoping they didn't miss out on Smith by placing Jenkins as a priority now. They need CB help in the worst way.


    Wanted to add: Irvin's deal 4/$37M, 19M guaranteed, all but 2.25 of that in '16. Kind of what I expected to see so they can hit the floor, but jeeeeeesus.
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