Serena's take on the Steubenville rape case

[smokew11]

Originally Posted by thebridge15

what the hell is an alternative school?

in my area there are a couple night schools that service many local districts. there are also many alternative schools during regular school hours.

a lot of kids who are expelled go to these schools because despite being expelled, the kid still has a right to a district-provided education

[thebridge15]

that makes sense. I suppose my district was too small so something like that would have covered a lot of neighboring towns

[ExistenceNow]

Originally Posted by thebridge15

what the hell is an alternative school?

Essentially you attend the same school, but you take all your classes in a separate building/facility off campus with the other trouble makers and the shamed pregnant girls.

[ForkInFork]

While I think the focus should never be on the victim, and the punishment in this particular crime was way too lenient in my opinion, personal accountability is something that seems to be lacking these days. People need to understand that your actions can have real and detrimental effects on yourself and others. Sure, I could walk down a shady city street in a suit made of $100 bills, but I should not be surprised if I get jumped and robbed. This is obviously an extreme example and a far cry from what occurred here, but it remains that you should always be looking out for yourself, regardless of the situation. That being said, that was a terrible comment and I can't believe that kid is back on the football team ready to play this season.

[dmbmuskie]

He's taking class in the jail.

[rconverse]

Originally Posted by mandy18

Aside from registering as a sex offender, it sounds like his punishment is over.
He's been released from the detention center, is being educated by Ohio's public school system and is back on the football team.

I'm shocked this kid wasn't expelled from school in the first place, unless he was and he is actually in an alternative school. And, then, in that case, I would pretend to be surprised he was allowed back on the same high school football team, but I can't say I really am.

Yeah, I don't know how he is allowed to play football. I was just echoing the idea that, okay he's out of the detention center, now what?

[smokew11]

yeah I think allowing him to play is def overkill

[cruscott35]

Originally Posted by smokew11

was waiting for this. That's clearly what I said.

if this leads to more parents actually talking with their kids about what they are doing on the weekends, instead of just "I'm going out", "ok" like it was for a lot of people we all knew, and establishing open and honest lines of communication, and the ability for parents and teens to discuss difficult situations and scenarios, then thats a good thing. as a teacher i truly wonder if most parents even have difficult conversations with their kids anymore.

but good job spinning it, you're the best at it

You said if this leads to parents knowing what their 16 year old girls are doing, as if the parents not being as involved as you think they should contributed to the rape. You even knew you were about to say something dumb because you prefaced it with a warning about victim blaming. I agree with what you said here, but that is not what you said, nor what was implied, in the first post.

[smokew11]

Originally Posted by cruscott35

You said if this leads to parents knowing what their 16 year old girls are doing, as if the parents not being as involved as you think they should contributed to the rape. You even knew you were about to say something dumb because you prefaced it with a warning about victim blaming. I agree with what you said here, but that is not what you said, nor what was implied, in the first post.

nope, pretty much said/implied the same thing in both posts. I apologize if you can't read between the lines and fill stuff in your own.

Originally Posted by smokew11

I guess the question is, can you be expelled from school for something you were already punished for?

I dont say this much, but I agree with Muskie- the best place for him and his future is exactly where he is. Take this as victim blaming if you want, but if this forces district parents to have a better handle on what their 16 yr old girls are doing on the weekends, that also a positive outcome. Most of my friends had a don't ask don't tell policy...as in our parents didnt really ask us the details of what we were doing, and we didnt tell them. It was easier for them and us if they didnt know, and looking back thats a terrible way of doing things

see, Muskie...talking to your kids could lead to...

Originally Posted by smokew11

was waiting for this. That's clearly what I said.

if this leads to more parents actually talking with their kids about what they are doing on the weekends, instead of just "I'm going out", "ok" like it was for a lot of people we all knew, and establishing open and honest lines of communication, and the ability for parents and teens to discuss difficult situations and scenarios, then thats a good thing. as a teacher i truly wonder if most parents even have difficult conversations with their kids anymore.

but good job spinning it, you're the best at it

[dmbmuskie]

Fwiw, the victims lawyer supports the kid playing football.

[Lee3691]

Originally Posted by dmbmuskie

Fwiw, the victims lawyer supports the kid playing football.

Not worth anything. The area these folk come from breed some illogical people.

[smokew11]

yikes...2 posts up I mean Cruscott, not Muskie

[Lee3691]

The Steubenville Rapist won the defensive player of the year in his league. The coach of that football school seems like he went to the Jerry Sandusky school of moral leadership - his name is Reno Saccoccia. Clearly all he cares is about winning, and doesn't care anything decent; what a corrupt guy that is spreading his disgusting morals.

[jcc522]

Originally Posted by Lee3691

The Steubenville Rapist won the defensive player of the year in his league. The coach of that football school seems like he went to the Jerry Sandusky school of moral leadership - his name is Reno Saccoccia. Clearly all he cares is about winning, and doesn't care anything decent; what a corrupt guy that is spreading his disgusting morals.

Meh, if he was the best defender, he deserves the award.

[AlpineValley804]

Originally Posted by jcc522

Meh, if he was the best defender, he deserves the award.

I think Lee's point is that the dude should still be serving time.

Or at the very least, disqualified from playing.

[jcc522]

Originally Posted by AlpineValley804

I think Lee's point is that the dude should still be serving time.

Or at the very least, disqualified from playing.

I agree.

However, the guy is playing and if he had x amount of more sacks/tackles/picks than any other defender in the league and didn't get the award, that would be bullshit.

[AlpineValley804]

Originally Posted by jcc522

I agree.

However, the guy is playing and if he had x amount of more sacks/tackles/picks than any other defender in the league and didn't get the award, that would be bullshit.

I see where you're coming from, but at the same time, I sympathize with the idea that because this guy has comparatively has gotten a slap on the wrist for his actions, that DQ-ing him from receiving any accolades would be some last resort for receiving any kind of justice.

I mean, just keeping things in perspective, I would be rather unmoved by a guy's plight for not getting a reward because it was ruled on the technicality that he was convicted of rape. Boo-fuckin-hoo.

[Lee3691]

It surprised me when he was allowed to return to school (what parents wants their kid going to school with a convicted sex offender?)
It is absurd he was allowed back on the football team
It is stupid to continue to reward him

That's what happens when the Jerry Sandusky of college football coaches your team though

[dmbmuskie]

Just saw this.

[Lee3691]

Jerry Sandusky thinks Reno Saccoccia is a jerk.