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Old 05-18-2012, 10:02 PM   #91
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Honestly...love the music, hate the lyrics. At what point did Dave become all about saving the world? I realize the presidential election is coming up, and the two songs we've heard so far (Mercy, Gaucho) have had some pretty strong political ties. I'm not going on one of those "this band is screwed" rants, but people said they'd be happy if Mercy was the worst song on the album. Personally, I'd be pissed if Gaucho wasn't the worst song on the album.
If you think Gaucho and Mercy are about politics then you didn't listen hard enough.
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    If you think Gaucho and Mercy are about politics then you didn't listen hard enough.
    Sometimes lyrics really are straight forward. These two songs apply.
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    If you think Gaucho and Mercy are about politics then you didn't listen hard enough.
    I'm sorry, but they obviously are. For crying out loud he debuted Mercy the night Obama appeared on Jimmy Fallon's show.
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    I'm sorry, but they obviously are. For crying out loud he debuted Mercy the night Obama appeared on Jimmy Fallon's show.
    And that is exactly why you think they are political, because of the timing. The timing didn't decide the meaning of the song, but it did alter your perception of it. I'll agree with the save the world vibe, but there isn't anything in either song that directly references politics in any way.

    Also, I'm fairly certain that Gaucho is more about religion than politics, about not just blindly relying on faith to cure the worlds ills but taking action to rectify them. Yes this can be applied to politics but that is certainly not the only thing it can be applied to. you are applying the meaning of the song to politics, but politics are not the meaning of the song.

    Also, I'm fairly certain that you aren't actually sorry.
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    Well its official.... Steve Lillywhite could not resurrect Dave's lyrics. I do like the verse guitar riff alot. I was hopeful during the intro and verse, and then it went south. And wait why the kids at the end?
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    Old 05-18-2012, 10:22 PM   #96
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    Sometimes lyrics really are straight forward. These two songs apply.
    Gaucho is most definitely about religion and blind faith, not politics. Mercy has a "save the world" vibe, but its meaning was only applied to politics because it was debuted on the same show the president was on; the song itself is apolitical.
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    Oh wow! Had a gig tonight and just got home to this tasty morsel of a song. I did the proper thing by dowloanding it, burning it to a CD, and cranking it on the surround sound in my living room.

    "Gaucho" is fantastic. Wow! Very complex musically. It's amazing how much of a difference this is from the past three records. The loudness is not a factor here at all. Each instrument comes through very clear. I'm going to have to get used to those kids voices, but overall I'm VERY impressed by this. This is the direction I was really hoping they'd move in. If I would compare this to other DMB songs, I would have to say it's a combination of The Stone and Dreaming Tree.

    Cannot wait for the Atlanta show on Tuesday! So pumped!
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    Old 05-18-2012, 10:23 PM   #98
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    Well its official.... Steve Lillywhite could not resurrect Dave's lyrics. I do like the verse guitar riff alot. I was hopeful during the intro and verse, and then it went south. And wait why the kids at the end?
    Dave is singing about what will he tell his children about the state of the world. using actual children drives the point home.

    And if you don't like it, i doubt they are hauling a childrens choir around with them on the tour.
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    Oh wow! Had a gig tonight and just got home to this tasty morsel of a song. I did the proper thing by dowloanding it, burning it to a CD, and cranking it on the surround sound in my living room.

    "Gaucho" is fantastic. Wow! Very complex musically. It's amazing how much of a difference this is from the past three records. The loudness is not a factor here at all. Each instrument comes through very clear. I'm going to have to get used to those kids voices, but overall I'm VERY impressed by this. This is the direction I was really hoping they'd move in. If I would compare this to other DMB songs, I would have to say it's a combination of The Stone and Dreaming Tree.

    Cannot wait for the Atlanta show on Tuesday! So pumped!
    Wait did you really just compare this to The Stone and Dreaming Tree? Im going to go kill myself now
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    you are applying the meaning of the song to politics, but politics are not the meaning of the song.

    Fair enough, you got me there. But whatever the origin or meaning, still not a fan of the lyrics, or the kids choir at the end. I think this song couldve been a classic with some less literal lyrics
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    Old 05-18-2012, 10:30 PM   #101
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    you are applying the meaning of the song to politics, but politics are not the meaning of the song.

    Fair enough, you got me there. But whatever the origin or meaning, still not a fan of the lyrics, or the kids choir at the end. I think this song couldve been a classic with some less literal lyrics
    You don't have to like the lyrics if you are concerned about your perceptions of general quality (honestly I dont care much about lyrics, good or bad), but it seems that some people don't like them because they are "political" and they should give them a chance from a different persepective.
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    sorry, maybe i should say "would be"...its a little too early to say "could've been"
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    And that is exactly why you think they are political, because of the timing. The timing didn't decide the meaning of the song, but it did alter your perception of it. I'll agree with the save the world vibe, but there isn't anything in either song that directly references politics in any way.

    Also, I'm fairly certain that Gaucho is more about religion than politics, about not just blindly relying on faith to cure the worlds ills but taking action to rectify them. Yes this can be applied to politics but that is certainly not the only thing it can be applied to. you are applying the meaning of the song to politics, but politics are not the meaning of the song.

    Also, I'm fairly certain that you aren't actually sorry.
    You are doing the same thing. Everybody is. Nobody knows for certain what the exact meaning of the songs are yet, that's why we have to look at context. I mean, where are you getting your "this song is about religion" interpretation? Exactly, your perceptions of the song.

    These are facts: Dave debuted the song on the night Obama appeared on Jimmy Fallon. Dave is a MAJOR fundraiser/donor for Obama. Dave is a major Obama supporter. Dave is releasing the CD in September (right before the election in November).

    You are fooling yourself if you don't think these two songs are political. Dave has never been shy about his politics.

    More importantly, it's not the overt political messages that bother me (although they do get annoying), it's the uncreative, cheesy lyrics.
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    I'm fully ready to take back my disliking of these lyrics because I thought there were some intended policical implications. However, i just can't take the lyrics seriously, whether it be because they are too chessy or too literal. I want to like this song, I really do. I just think people were so ready to like this song regardless of what it sounded like because of the Lillywhite hype.
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    Old 05-18-2012, 10:40 PM   #105
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    You are doing the same thing. Everybody is. Nobody knows for certain what the exact meaning of the songs are yet, that's why we have to look at context. I mean, where are you getting your "this song is about religion" interpretation? Exactly, your perceptions of the song.

    These are facts: Dave debuted the song on the night Obama appeared on Jimmy Fallon. Dave is a MAJOR fundraiser/donor for Obama. Dave is a major Obama supporter. Dave is releasing the CD in September (right before the election in November).

    You are fooling yourself if you don't think these two songs are political. Dave has never been shy about his politics.

    More importantly, it's not the overt political messages that bother me (although they do get annoying), it's the uncreative, cheesy lyrics.
    From another poster in the DMB Discussion thread on Gaucho (he explains it a lot better than I do)...

    [Look past the "world change" political assumption.

    My impression of the lyrics: Everyone, especially in DMBc hears "We gotta change things" and automatically assume that it is an "AMERICA! FUCK YEA!" song - Dave's been lazy with his writing, but I've always been one to think more is there than we are believing.

    This song to me is purely a calling out to organized religion. The word Gaucho is usually used (unless you are wearing dumb pants) to describe a cowboy of sorts, someone that goes against the norm to change the state of a nation. The title of it sets the tone of the song.

    It starts off mentioning the simplicities of man, but the ability to survive; fire, stone, roofs, walls and bed - the line "there must be more than this" is seemingly sung from another perspective. "So God was born and we in his, image of fear and love, look down from up above". This line is incredible. Saying that no matter what we accomplish, we are worried about what is above; but do nothing else because we trust in the "love".

    A lot of the song is praising the accomplishments of MAN, large cities, landing on the moon - crossing oceans (ironic, almost calling out that whole Moses thing ). But our biggest obstacle is believing in ourselves enough to survive, rather than placing it in the hands of "God?"

    I think the whole concept of the song is really cool, and nothing to do with right wing left wing politics. It, too me, is very direct in calling out organize religion - and bringing in the kids kind of showcases the notion of starting this with the new generation. Believe in what you can do in a man, quit panicking - and change things for yourself rather than hoping for the end of the world.]

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    Old 05-18-2012, 10:42 PM   #106
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    I'm fully ready to take back my disliking of these lyrics because I thought there were some intended policical implications. However, i just can't take the lyrics seriously, whether it be because they are too chessy or too literal. I want to like this song, I really do. I just think people were so ready to like this song regardless of what it sounded like because of the Lillywhite hype.
    Just as many want to hate it because of a bias towards the early stuff and a unshakable disbelief that the band can top (or equal) it. (I think some of them don't actually want the band to top or equal the older stuff).
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    "So God was born and we in his, image of fear and love, look down from up above". This line is incredible.

    As much as i disliked the lyrics, this line did stick out for me, it is very solid.
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    Othello, you should have taken your own crack at interpreting the song, because I do not agree with the one you posted. Regardless, even if the song has -some- religious overtones (which I don't deny, obviously a lot of DMB's songs do), it does not in any way disregard ANY of the points I made. Religion and politics aren't mutually exclusive rather, in many cases they go hand in hand.

    I am trying to be open-minded, I am. But these songs, in my opinion, are overtly political and thus result in uncreative and cheesy lyrics. (We've been introduced to two songs, which at least on the surface, seem similar lyrically..)

    Again, all this said, I still eagerly await the album because musically the song is really good.
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    Old 05-18-2012, 10:51 PM   #110
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    Whats Goucho?
    the OP made a second post saying he misspelled it, due to excitement.
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    Old 05-18-2012, 10:53 PM   #111
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    Othello, you should have taken your own crack at interpreting the song, because I do not agree with the one you posted. Regardless, even if the song has -some- religious overtones (which I don't deny, obviously a lot of DMB's songs do), it does not in any way disregard ANY of the points I made. Religion and politics aren't mutually exclusive rather, in many cases they go hand in hand.

    I am trying to be open-minded, I am. But these songs, in my opinion, are overtly political and thus result in uncreative and cheesy lyrics. (We've been introduced to two songs, which at least on the surface, seem similar lyrically..)

    Again, all this said, I still eagerly await the album because musically the song is really good.
    Lets agree to disagree with everything then (except for the bolded, which I fervently agree with)
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    Funny how people pick apart lyrics on here. Enjoy a new song. It's been a long time. Who cares what it means. You'll never truly know. So just enjoy it.
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    Agree to disagree. I still have a lot of hope for this album. Steve Lillywhite won't produce a bust, it just doesn't happen. I just hope Dave can write the lyrics that we all know he's capable of writing
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    Lets agree to disagree with everything then (except for the bolded, which I fervently agree with)
    Agreed, but before I do, let me make one more point (because I can't just let things go :P).

    If anything, this song is about the inadequatecy of relying on religion (or empty/blind faith) on seeing out change. Hence the, "We've gotta' do much more than believe if we really wanna see the world change."

    In my opinion, the do "more" refers to being politically active. And Dave's politics are no secret.

    Can't wait for the album. Cheers.
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    Agreed, but before I do, let me make one more point (because I can't just let things go :P).

    If anything, this song is about the inadequatecy of relying on religion (or empty/blind faith) on seeing out change. Hence the, "We've gotta' do much more than believe if we really wanna see the world change."

    In my opinion, the do "more" refers to being politically active. And Dave's politics are no secret.

    Can't wait for the album. Cheers.
    If you get a final two cents, then I do too.

    The bolded is only one possible interpretation. However, there are others.

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    Old 05-18-2012, 11:22 PM   #116
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    the stone nor is this song picked
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    Old 05-18-2012, 11:39 PM   #117
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    First listen and really, really, really like it! A fine addition to their catalog. Love this band so much.
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    First listen HAF mind you. This song is amazing. The musicianship between these guys ridiculous. The bridge before the cool guitar "please wake up" section reminds me of something very busty stuffy. This break with the kids is the newest DMB sound ever. It's a perfect way of combining past DMB and current DMB. The lyrics are very activistsy. Best night ever!
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    Like it a lot....
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    Like it a lot....


    Despite some of teh hate DMB always will get for anything new- I really enjoy this, too.
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