Star Wars: Han Solo (May 25th, 2018)

[chadizzy1]

Meet your Han Solo - Alden Ehrenreich (Officially cast).

[Tomriddle]

Really enjoyed him in Hail Cesaer (as well as everything else about that movie).

Han Solo spin off is still a terrible idea though

[junior94]

Chad, I'm kinda starting to wonder if you really weren't an alter account that I started but now have no memory of

while true, as a fundamental idea I'm extremely wary of doing a Han Solo origin, it's like the epitome of something that's not needed. BUT... having said all that, if you're going to absolutely do it, pretty much all the so far involved elements are right on the money. having Kasdan involved in the script, L&M directing. And now this kid starring, well I'm no worse than in the middle on him. As I've said elsewhere, totally let down by Hail Caesar, but the parts I did see of this guy, I could tell he had something going on. There were most definitely other choices that I would've railed on immediately (including Teller and Franco).

[chadizzy1]

I never saw Caesar, but I guess I need to watch it so I can check out this guys acting chops.

[twosteppinpun]

Originally Posted by junior94

while true, as a fundamental idea I'm extremely wary of doing a Han Solo origin, it's like the epitome of something that's not needed. BUT... having said all that, if you're going to absolutely do it, pretty much all the so far involved elements are right on the money. having Kasdan involved in the script, L&M directing. And now this kid starring, well I'm no worse than in the middle on him. As I've said elsewhere, totally let down by Hail Caesar, but the parts I did see of this guy, I could tell he had something going on. There were most definitely other choices that I would've railed on immediately (including Teller and Franco).

I'll probably end up watching it because I'm a sucker.

However, agreed with junior94. There's no reason to do this. The part of what makes Han Solo awesome is in your imagination. You can dream up all the crazy shit he's done prior to meeting Luke in Mos Eisley. You know his relationship with Chewie without all the gory details.

That's what makes his legacy better, not knowing the details, the air of mystery. He's a space badass, that's all you need.

This is akin to the rumors of a John McClane prequel Die Hard. Totally unnecessary.

[TMoore4075]

Have 0 interest in this and don't think it adds much to the story. I agree I like the idea of leaving mystery about him. Said it in the other thread, Rogue One (to me) servers a purpose of giving us some more of the rebellion. We really don't get too much of it other than a the few battles in 4, 5 and 6.

[Dramageek]

Originally Posted by TMoore4075

Have 0 interest in this and don't think it adds much to the story. I agree I like the idea of leaving mystery about him. Said it in the other thread, Rogue One (to me) servers a purpose of giving us some more of the rebellion. We really don't get too much of it other than a the few battles in 4, 5 and 6.

Agreed that it is nice to have mystery surrounding Han Solo and that not ever corner and crevice of the story needs to be filled in by movie$.

Then again I am a sucker for back stories and all things Star Wars, so of course I'm going to go see this. I just might not rewatch it a bunch of times like the original trilogy + Force Awakens.

[MOWJO8185]

I don't really care as much about the whole "leave Han with an air of mystery" bit as much as I feel that nobody outside of Harrison Ford should ever play Han Solo, just on principle. I should have figured that with a Star Wars film a year, it would be inevitable at some point, but it just feels wrong to me.

[thebridge15]

I don't think there's much mystery. guy was a smuggler and was like 30 in a new hope. what more do we need to know / see?

[TMoore4075]

Originally Posted by thebridge15

I don't think there's much mystery. guy was a smuggler and was like 30 in a new hope. what more do we need to know / see?

That's more what I'm getting at. It won't add anything to the character. Even though Lucas fucked up the prequels there was so much about the Jedi we didn't know so there was a point to doing, well trying to, those movies.

[junior94]

Originally Posted by twosteppinpun

I'll probably end up watching it because I'm a sucker.

However, agreed with junior94. There's no reason to do this. The part of what makes Han Solo awesome is in your imagination. You can dream up all the crazy shit he's done prior to meeting Luke in Mos Eisley. You know his relationship with Chewie without all the gory details.

That's what makes his legacy better, not knowing the details, the air of mystery. He's a space badass, that's all you need.

This is akin to the rumors of a John McClane prequel Die Hard. Totally unnecessary.

actually in all fairness, I find that MUCH worse. Because part of the entire fucking point with the original Die Hard is this was just a regular guy who suddenly got thrust into a crazy situation way in over his head, and he met the challenge in a badass way. The DH prequel would actively change the history of the character.

at least with the Han Solo thing, we have been given no reason at all before to disbelieve that he wasn't like this and a "swashbuckling rogue" even a decade or so before we first met him in Ep4. We'll just now directly see some of that activity.

[WidespreadMule3]

Still wishing they would do the Bounty Hunter tales book as a movie instead of this.

[smokew11]

still think this is a terrible idea

[Tomriddle]

Originally Posted by MOWJO8185

I don't really care as much about the whole "leave Han with an air of mystery" bit as much as I feel that nobody outside of Harrison Ford should ever play Han Solo, just on principle.

They're both great reasons not to make the movie, IMO, but the second is more convincing to me than the first. Harrison Ford just is Han Solo, end of story.


And it's not like there's an absence of material in the Star Wars universe, there are so many freaking possibilities. No reason at all to do this.

[Roose13]

I honestly don't see how it'll be good. I'm excited to see it but I don't have high hopes.

[thebridge15]

the rationale makes sense. han solo is SUPER popular, people will love to see more han! (now that they can't in the actual trilogy)

it just...there's a disconnect in thinking there since SW appeal isn't exactly entirely unbiased people, there's so many serious fans that don't really want this movie

[smokew11]

disney will do anything to make more money, so from a business standpoint it makes sense. From ourstandpoint, it doesn't. So if people want to see it they will, and if people don't want to see it for all of the reasons in here they won't.

I think it's going to be pretty dumb and I don't like the idea at all, but I can;t say for certain yet whther or not I'll see it

[MOWJO8185]

I would like a Luke prequel where he goes to the Toshi station to pick up some power converters.

[Tomriddle]

Originally Posted by smokew11

disney will do anything to make more money, so from a business standpoint it makes sense.

This isn't a good argument -- any Star Wars movie is going to make loads of money, they could easily replace this with a movie about any other character.

From a business point of view, Disney needs to maintain the Star Wars brand. Putting out a Star Wars movie that nobody wanted to be made is a bad move, and it's a distinctly not-Disney move.

[TwoStep2888]

he's cute + was good in Hail Caesar + I'll see this movie

[hailtopitt]

they couldn't release this 3 weeks sooner on May 4th? dumb

[smokew11]

Originally Posted by Tomriddle

This isn't a good argument -- any Star Wars movie is going to make loads of money, they could easily replace this with a movie about any other character.

From a business point of view, Disney needs to maintain the Star Wars brand. Putting out a Star Wars movie that nobody wanted to be made is a bad move, and it's a distinctly not-Disney move.

its a great argument. it'll make money. and most people under 30 or so don't give a shit about protecting the Han Solo character because many of them don't have the same experience with Star Wars we do (ugh I'm 32, just made it).

It's actually a bad argument to say nobody wanted this. old sw fans dont want this. id wager to bet everyone else is happy about another movie

[twosteppinpun]

Originally Posted by MOWJO8185

I would like a Luke prequel where he goes to the Toshi station to pick up some power converters.

Well done

[Tomriddle]

Originally Posted by smokew11

its a great argument. it'll make money. and most people under 30 or so don't give a shit about protecting the Han Solo character because many of them don't have the same experience with Star Wars we do (ugh I'm 32, just made it).

It's actually a bad argument to say nobody wanted this. old sw fans dont want this. id wager to bet everyone else is happy about another movie

I think what you might be missing (or what wasn't clear from what I wrote) is that they don't have to make another Han Solo movie to make another movie. It's not like the number of Star Wars movies Disney will make decreases if they decide to not to make The Han Solo Movie. They would simply make a Darth Maul movie or Boba Fett movie or Rogue One sequel or whatever instead.

[DMBzilla]

Originally Posted by Tomriddle

I think what you might be missing (or what wasn't clear from what I wrote) is that they don't have to make another Han Solo movie to make another movie. It's not like the number of Star Wars movies Disney will make decreases if they decide to not to make The Han Solo Movie. They would simply make a Darth Maul movie or Boba Fett movie or Rogue One sequel or whatever instead.

They're doing a Boba Fett movie for 2020 release.

I think a Han Solo movie could be pretty cool/interesting. There was more than enough discussion of shit he got himself involved in before Episode IV so a well written film could be pretty damn fun.

[Julia Roberts]

I try to look at this from my kid's perspective. They are early teens and under. They love Star Wars, but Han Solo is not some sacred character that shapes their childhood. They don't think about him that much (Star Wars = Vader and Kylo Ren to them.). So honestly this will elevate Han to them. While it might cheapen the character for us older fans it will probably have the opposite effect for the next generation of fans.

[smokew11]

Originally Posted by Tomriddle

I think what you might be missing (or what wasn't clear from what I wrote) is that they don't have to make another Han Solo movie to make another movie. It's not like the number of Star Wars movies Disney will make decreases if they decide to not to make The Han Solo Movie. They would simply make a Darth Maul movie or Boba Fett movie or Rogue One sequel or whatever instead.

no, i completely understand what you're saying. I'm saying it doesn't matter- theyre gonna do a Fett movie, they're gonna do other movies...they're gonna suck this dry. From there point of view (see what I did there?), there's literally no reason not to make a Han Solo movie. The lovely academy award winning actress below sums up my stance

Originally Posted by Julia Roberts

I try to look at this from my kid's perspective. They are early teens and under. They love Star Wars, but Han Solo is not some sacred character that shapes their childhood. They don't think about him that much (Star Wars = Vader and Kylo Ren to them.). So honestly this will elevate Han to them. While it might cheapen the character for us older fans it will probably have the opposite effect for the next generation of fans.

[chadizzy1]

Originally Posted by Julia Roberts

I try to look at this from my kid's perspective. They are early teens and under. They love Star Wars, but Han Solo is not some sacred character that shapes their childhood. They don't think about him that much (Star Wars = Vader and Kylo Ren to them.). So honestly this will elevate Han to them. While it might cheapen the character for us older fans it will probably have the opposite effect for the next generation of fans.

This is a good point.

[Tomriddle]

Originally Posted by smokew11

no, i completely understand what you're saying. I'm saying it doesn't matter- theyre gonna do a Fett movie, they're gonna do other movies...they're gonna suck this dry. From there point of view (see what I did there?), there's literally no reason not to make a Han Solo movie.

I get what you're saying, but I maintain that there is a reason not to make a Han Solo movie -- branding. Look at Marvel. Marvel developed such a reputation for quality that they can put out a movie about a character no one has ever heard of and it still makes obscene money because people know and trust the brand. They achieved that by having an unparalleled understanding of what people want, and responding accordingly. A Han Solo movie feels out of step with that, IMO.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that this is getting made only because someone told Kasdan that he gets to make whatever he wants and he said he wanted to do this. Absent that, I doubt a young Han movie would get made.

[Tomriddle]

Originally Posted by Julia Roberts

I try to look at this from my kid's perspective. They are early teens and under. They love Star Wars, but Han Solo is not some sacred character that shapes their childhood. They don't think about him that much (Star Wars = Vader and Kylo Ren to them.). So honestly this will elevate Han to them. While it might cheapen the character for us older fans it will probably have the opposite effect for the next generation of fans.

This is a fair point but I think your argument defeats itself -- if Star Wars means something else to younger viewers, shouldn't Disney should make movies about that something else instead? What do they gain by reinventing Han for a younger generation, as opposed to giving them newer characters?