Opening Set Segues You'd Like To See

[kishy214]

Originally Posted by spoot388

unless dave has been playing BEF on a 6 string, its the same guitar.

Not the same guitar. BEF is a standard-tuned 12, Bartender (electric) is a Drop D 12. Dave usually has at least two 12 strings for this reason.

I'm not sure if he just has Craig tune one of his 12s down to Eb for Last Stop or if there was a third 12 in the rig for that tune in 2010, but for the most part, all different tunings are different guitars.

[Goldenface]

Well I do Love Shotgun and Typical situation but I have to agree that doesn't make sense as a segue what so ever.

[cry_minarets458]

kishy, correct, good work for realizing he switches because of drop D, not because he just does . I believe the LS 2010 guitar was a separate third guitar, though. I always had in my head that Dave bought three W65's in 2000, forget where I read that. But, it very well may have been the bartender guitar dropped down all the way, as bartender wasn't played that night. just cherry picking various 12 string song videos, I looks like I'm counting three different grain patterns on the walnut face, but it can very well be glare off the finish.

if you ever get the chance to play one, definitely do it. I love my 2000 W65.

[cry_minarets458]

For sake of thread, would love to see this 1-2 punch, whether acoustic set or electric..whether it's dave solo into dave solo, dave solo into an acoustic walk on a la good good time, full out acoustic, or just full out electric. would be pretty dope

Pantala Naga Pampa >
Spoon

[sheldonlevene]

Originally Posted by spoot388

unless dave has been playing BEF on a 6 string, its the same guitar. he does switch guitars, but not necessaroly because they are different. his guitar tech makes sure he has the best possible sound for every song. dave has 2 of every guitar so he can keep fresh strings and not need to worry about tuning when playing. his tech even puts new strings on his 6 half way through the show.

and BEF has a long drawn out ending and bartender has a long drawn out intro. that is why dave can switch guitars. with a segue like shotgun > typical, the last note of shotgun and the first note of typical are both played by dave. theres no time to switch guitars without there being a break in between the songs, which is why that segue won't work, unless the rest of the band creates some sort of musical bridge between the two to cover for dave.

He switches because BEF is standard tuning and Bartender is drop D.

edit: sorry this has been covered.

[Climb2safety]

There are some great segue ideas in here.

The fact that people specify acoustic or electric set though is fingers on a chalkboard to my eyes though. I wish they'd just come out and play and forget the gimmicks.

[magnumdan]

Dodo -->
Drive In Drive Out

[jg0328]

I've always thought a Proudest Monkey-->Two Step, or Proudest Monkey-->Pig

Also, Lover Lay Down-->Spaceman

[dpduke5173]

Broken Things
Lie In Our Graves

[BruceW]

Originally Posted by Hilly

Sugarwill (tease) -> Seven -> Shotgun (tease) -> JTR -> Watchtowner Intro -> Last Stop Reprise -> 41 Police.

you really are an interesting being

Originally Posted by DMB1983

Any segue at all? I'm going to get weird.

Little Red Bird>Don't Drink The Water>Bartender>Granny>Lie In Our Graves>Where Are You Going?> Grace is Gone> Seek Up>PNP>Rapunzel

They could play all the songs in D without having to stop!


I would also like to see Too Much seque into the Bridge into SMTS.

Or Squirm>Minarets>Last Stop

Those are the only songs in drop D from your list. Technically Dave could attempt to play the others in Drop D but he would have to completely change his finger positions and chord compositions.

Originally Posted by hailtopitt

thats not a segue

the almanac may list it as one, but it's distinctly 2 different songs

the only time a guitar switch can work during a segue is when other members of the band keep playing...

and that probably wouldn't work in Shotgun>>Typical because the first thing you hear in Typical is Dave's guitar

but what do i know

Well honestly Im not sure you know what a segue is...

Also, segues are always 2 or more distinct songs.

The band always continues the end of BEF as Dave switches guitars and they go into whatever is next.

If you listen to the 2006 CVille version of Shotgun, you can easily place Typical right after it as a segue.

Originally Posted by Gears0413

I always thought an opener like this would be tasty and pack quite a wallop:

So Right >> The Last Stop

That's one that wouldn't really work. So Right ends abruptly.

Originally Posted by tyler3440

Big eyed fish into bartender was a different guitar. That proves a Segway could work with a different guitar.

Yep.

Originally Posted by LIOG4140

Shotgun ends with Carter playing his cymbals, Dave changes guitar while he does that and starts Typical

Yep.

Originally Posted by spoot388

unless dave has been playing BEF on a 6 string, its the same guitar. he does switch guitars, but not necessaroly because they are different. his guitar tech makes sure he has the best possible sound for every song. dave has 2 of every guitar so he can keep fresh strings and not need to worry about tuning when playing. his tech even puts new strings on his 6 half way through the show.

and BEF has a long drawn out ending and bartender has a long drawn out intro. that is why dave can switch guitars. with a segue like shotgun > typical, the last note of shotgun and the first note of typical are both played by dave. theres no time to switch guitars without there being a break in between the songs, which is why that segue won't work, unless the rest of the band creates some sort of musical bridge between the two to cover for dave.

Like others have said, Bartender is in Drop D.

To the bolded, this has not always been the case, and doesn't have to be the case. If you said a song like So Right is not capable of segueing into another song I'd agree, but saying that about Shotgun isn't entirely accurate.

[dontdrink36]

Hello Again (up to the drum solo before Dave starts screaming)->
Halloween->
Hello Again outro (Dave screaming)

This would be awesome to start a show, end a set, or in the encore!

[cry_minarets458]

Originally Posted by BruceW

you really are an interesting being







Those are the only songs in drop D from your list. Technically Dave could attempt to play the others in Drop D but he would have to completely change his finger positions and chord compositions.





Well honestly Im not sure you know what a segue is...



Also, segues are always 2 or more distinct songs.



The band always continues the end of BEF as Dave switches guitars and they go into whatever is next.



If you listen to the 2006 CVille version of Shotgun, you can easily place Typical right after it as a segue.



That's one that wouldn't really work. So Right ends abruptly.







Yep.



Yep.







Like others have said, Bartender is in Drop D.



To the bolded, this has not always been the case, and doesn't have to be the case. If you said a song like So Right is not capable of segueing into another song I'd agree, but saying that about Shotgun isn't entirely accurate.

About things ending abruptly, that's an easy fix though. Similar to the Halloween>billies segue. Nature intro is started in sections during the outro to Halloween where Dave normally did the "opera" outro. I don't remember if he did the vocals over the transition, but I remember quite vividly hearing nature intro start in sections. They've also done it with the bridge into billies. To use the so right > last stop example, can easily be done with a little tweek of the horns. It takes all of 10 seconds max to switch a guitar, probably less when you're not unplugging and just pressing a button to switch the feed, which is what Dave does. IMO, of course, to the above.

[hailtopitt]

Originally Posted by BruceW

Well honestly Im not sure you know what a segue is...

Also, segues are always 2 or more distinct songs.

The band always continues the end of BEF as Dave switches guitars and they go into whatever is next.

If you listen to the 2006 CVille version of Shotgun, you can easily place Typical right after it as a segue.

if you listen to a 9 year old version of a song, it's possible to segue after it

good to know i was way off base

[BruceW]

Originally Posted by hailtopitt

if you listen to a 9 year old version of a song, it's possible to segue after it

good to know i was way off base

Oh, I'm sorry, but the OP said this: "What opening 2 or 3 songs would you like to see begin a show (one-set or two-sets) that you’ve never seen before, in person or within DMB history?"

Seems to me that a "9 year old version" is well within the parameters of this thread. And when the song was played has nothing to do with whether or not it could be used within a segue.

Also, as others have noted Carter extends the end of the song with cymbal rolls that could easily flow right into Dave playing the opening notes to Typical.

[hailtopitt]

Originally Posted by BruceW

Oh, I'm sorry, but the OP said this: "What opening 2 or 3 songs would you like to see begin a show (one-set or two-sets) that you’ve never seen before, in person or within DMB history?"

Seems to me that a "9 year old version" is well within the parameters of this thread. And when the song was played has nothing to do with whether or not it could be used within a segue.

Also, as others have noted Carter extends the end of the song with cymbal rolls that could easily flow right into Dave playing the opening notes to Typical.

right.....and i said...

Originally Posted by hailtopitt

this would be really hard to make work considering a guitar switch is a must

2 really good songs but seguing them probably wouldn't work

Originally Posted by hailtopitt

Eh, I guess anything is possible. Sounds like a terrible segue to me though but no real way of knowing for sure

straight up opinion. i don't think it would sound good at all...i can tell you disagree

good talk

[BruceW]

Ok that's fine. I didn't read the other posts.

I made a quick, rough snippet of how it could sound just to see what some may think. Obviously the imagination has to be used a little bit to extend the chimes used by Carter as Typical starts.

[Gears0413]

Regarding my thought on So Right into The Last Stop, I was thinking the last note of So Right would be substituted for the first note of The Last Stop, hence having no abrupt stop in So Right. I could be off base on that. It wouldn't be the first time.

[Antiramie]

Belly Belly Nice >>
Grey Street >>
Rapunzel

Punctuated closing notes into punctuated opening ones. Would be such a fun, rapid-fire way to start a show.

[TwoStep01]

How bout this.

Belly Belly Nice>Tripping Billies>Belly Belly Nice>Ants Marching

Ok, bear with me. Besides the tempo, I've always thought that Boyd's solo on BBN could transition into Billies, then Boyd's solo on Billies could transition back into the last chorus of BBN. They could then repeat the chorus (audience singalong?) of BBN, but with only Carter on snare, then immediately kick into Ants.

That would make for a fantastic opening run or a solid encore.

[kishy214]

Originally Posted by Gears0413

Regarding my thought on So Right into The Last Stop, I was thinking the last note of So Right would be substituted for the first note of The Last Stop, hence having no abrupt stop in So Right. I could be off base on that. It wouldn't be the first time.

Right, but So Right and Last Stop are different guitars for Dave (and maybe different equipment for Stefan and Tim too). To do a guitar switch, you need something with a long, winding outro, like BEF. Your best bet to do something in the style you've suggested is to find two songs both on the standard-tuned acoustic.

Granny>>>LIOG would be my best possible idea for that. Last D chord of Granny goes right into the main riff of LIOG.

[space_raven]

Spaceman >>
Hello Again

[Gears0413]

Hello Again (until the Carter solo towards the end) >>
Halloween >>
Hello Again (reprise)

[tyler3440]

Originally Posted by spoot388

unless dave has been playing BEF on a 6 string, its the same guitar. he does switch guitars, but not necessaroly because they are different. his guitar tech makes sure he has the best possible sound for every song. dave has 2 of every guitar so he can keep fresh strings and not need to worry about tuning when playing. his tech even puts new strings on his 6 half way through the show.

and BEF has a long drawn out ending and bartender has a long drawn out intro. that is why dave can switch guitars. with a segue like shotgun > typical, the last note of shotgun and the first note of typical are both played by dave. theres no time to switch guitars without there being a break in between the songs, which is why that segue won't work, unless the rest of the band creates some sort of musical bridge between the two to cover for dave.

Both are 12 sting but bartender is drop d. So it looks like the same guitar.

[tyler3440]

All I'm trying to say is with the correct two songs it doesn't have to be the same guitar.

TSTJL into so right wouldn't probably work

But holloween into so right would work

[bartender_man]

Originally Posted by space_raven

Spaceman >>
Hello Again

Spaceman sucks and has been overplayed as well

[space_raven]

Originally Posted by bartender_man

Spaceman sucks and has been overplayed as well

Overplayed, maybe. It does not suck.

[mja271]

DMB does very few actual segues. Playing a song right after the other with a split second break isn't a segue, even though it's marked as one on their setlists. While I'd like to see even more of that in general, as opposed to the sometimes long gaps from song to song, it'd be cool to see some more "real" segues ala Halloween>Billies in '13. If I'm not mistaken there was some blending on LITHOG>DIDO this year that was pretty cool.

[TheStone91]

Originally Posted by mja271

DMB does very few actual segues. Playing a song right after the other with a split second break isn't a segue, even though it's marked as one on their setlists. While I'd like to see even more of that in general, as opposed to the sometimes long gaps from song to song, it'd be cool to see some more "real" segues ala Halloween>Billies in '13. If I'm not mistaken there was some blending on LITHOG>DIDO this year that was pretty cool.

Yea, LITHOG >> DIDO was very cool at Alpine this year (think it was the only time they've done that segue). Also really liked BEF >> LIOG as well from Alpine N1 (think they did that a few times this year).

One that doesn't get talked about a lot, but might be my favorite, was this one from Chicago N1 2014:

SMTS >>
ASTB >>
Too Much [fake] >>
Tripping Billies (nature intro)

[bartender_man]

Originally Posted by space_raven

Overplayed, maybe. It does not suck.

Agree to disagree

[space_raven]

Originally Posted by bartender_man

Agree to disagree

#kiwi