Marvel's The Avengers: Age of Ultron (May 1st, 2015)

[JRS1386]

Vision is in the comics, first time he was brought into the movies. This was his MCU origin story so to speak

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[thebridge15]

so I'm guessing he'll still be involved? or did ultron take him down and take the stone?

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[JRS1386]

I fully expect the Vision to appear in Avengers Infinity War, but may pop up in other places like the Dr. Strange movie or somewhere else.

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[Lee3691]

Saw it today, and was a bit underwhelmed.

[JRS1386]

Originally Posted by Lee3691

Saw it today, and was a bit underwhelmed.

Are you talking about your reflection? HEY OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[TwoStep2888]

I'm glad Whedon's done after this one, I think Russos will do a much better job.

[thebestauntie]

Question about The Vision for those of you who have seen Age of Ultron and are familiar with the comic books

Is The Vision able to wield Thor's hammer in the comics?

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[DMBZeppelin]

Why are people putting spoilers on everything? The movie is out.

Are people who haven't seen the movie still coming in here for some reason? Once it hit Friday I avoided this thread until I saw it Sunday.

[ExistenceNow]

Originally Posted by DMBZeppelin

Why are people putting spoilers on everything? The movie is out.

Are people who haven't seen the movie still coming in here for some reason? Once it hit Friday I avoided this thread until I saw it Sunday.

I think they're talking about the future of the Marvel Universe based on the books. So that would/could be spoilers for future movies (or even the books if you haven't read them yet).



What we saw in this particular movie is fair game.

[clayj41]

Originally Posted by thebestauntie

Question about The Vision for those of you who have seen Age of Ultron and are familiar with the comic books

Is The Vision able to wield Thor's hammer in the comics?

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Not to my knowledge. Here's a fairly comprehensive list:

http://observationdeck.io9.com/the-w...-th-1605439233

[Tomriddle]

Originally Posted by junior94

I have to say something that's really sunk in for me on Ultron with repeat viewings, I liked plenty about Spader's performance, but ultimately it feels like he's defeated way too easily. Especially with how much they built up about how getting the vibranium is supposed to make him practically indestructable.

Wasn't the vibranium there to create the body that became Vision, so Ultron didn't have it (but the good guys did) during the third act? I've only seen the movie once so far, so maybe I'm wrong.

But I agree with the sentiment. Spader was great and some of his scenes/lines are excellent, but overall Ultron was a disappointment (to me, at least). Not only does he go down easy in the third act, but the time he has the upper hand in Africa it's really the twins doing all the heavy lifting.

A complaint I had, and I'm curious if you share it, is that it seemed like Whedon abandons (almost) everything that makes the character compelling really fast and reverts to boring old "I'm going to destroy the world because I'm evil!" template. By the third act at least, but also I would argue throughout a lot of the second, Ultron reads as pretty much just Generic Bad Guy.

[thebestauntie]

Originally Posted by clayj41

Not to my knowledge. Here's a fairly comprehensive list:

http://observationdeck.io9.com/the-w...-th-1605439233

Okay, so I was right to be completely floored by that scene. Thanks Clay.

[clayj41]

Originally Posted by Tomriddle

Wasn't the vibranium there to create the body that became Vision, so Ultron didn't have it (but the good guys did) during the third act? I've only seen the movie once so far, so maybe I'm wrong.

But I agree with the sentiment. Spader was great and some of his scenes/lines are excellent, but overall Ultron was a disappointment (to me, at least). Not only does he go down easy in the third act, but the time he has the upper hand in Africa it's really the twins doing all the heavy lifting.

A complaint I had, and I'm curious if you share it, is that it seemed like Whedon abandons (almost) everything that makes the character compelling really fast and reverts to boring old "I'm going to destroy the world because I'm evil!" template. By the third act at least, but also I would argue throughout a lot of the second, Ultron reads as pretty much just Generic Bad Guy.

My impression was that Ultron gave himself an vibranium upgrade as well. That's why when Iron Man confronts him near the end he asks if Ultron's been juicing.

Per the MCU Wiki: "However, despite its near-indestructible nature, vibranium's durability had its limits - the energy projected by the Infinity Stone in Vision's forehead combined with Iron Man's repulsors and lightning from Thor's hammer was able to slowly melt away Ultron's vibranium outer shell."

And I'm completely on board with your opinion of Ultron. Spader did a fantastic job, but there was so much untapped potential. Leading up to the movie's release, I kept reading how Ultron's personality consisted of every bad quality of Tony Stark. There's a few throwaway lines and quips about how Stark and Ultron have a sort of father-son relationship and how the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, but the intrigue of those psychological and physiological elements weren't explored nearly enough.

And in the end he was the cause of his own downfall, which in a way is the most interesting similarity between he and Stark. Stark created Ultron who almost killed him; Ultron created Vision who did kill him. Ultron didn't have Stark's humanity and that's what failed him. And that lack of humanity also accounts for his generic villainy.

[Roose13]

Saw it tonight. Really really good movie.

[WidespreadMule3]

Saw it again today. Was just as enjoyable as the first time.

Got a Batman v. Superman & different Ant-Man trailer this time too. Very cool.

[jackisback24]

Saw it last night. Pretty good. Not sure about the Hulk love story but whatevs. Good effects.

Happy 5k, Mule.

[WidespreadMule3]

Originally Posted by jackisback24

Saw it last night. Pretty good. Not sure about the Hulk love story but whatevs. Good effects.

Happy 5k, Mule.

Haha Thanks! I didn't even notice that until you said something! That's pretty cool. I can still remember signing up for this site - seems like yesterday.

[M. Steng]

NY's #1 Sports talk radio host Mike Francesa on Avengers 2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH5SX80kqBA



Still haven't seen this, probably gonna go sometime within the month. Just been too busy lately.

[DMBZeppelin]

Originally Posted by M. Steng

NY's #1 Sports talk radio host Mike Francesa on Avengers 2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH5SX80kqBA



Still haven't seen this, probably gonna go sometime within the month. Just been too busy lately.

What's with all these superhero movies having battles in them? Maybe they do a fight and then go get a slice. Maybe Captain America can take some time to visit his mother instead of worrying about Ultron. These kids and their movies, forgettaboutit.

[M. Steng]

Just got back from finally seeing this. Thought it was really just ok. It definitely wasn't as bad as some of the more negative reviews made it out to be, but it also didn't amaze me at all.

First, I'll start with the positives. I thought Ultron was awesome. Easily the best part of the film was James Spader's voice acting, he really brought the character to life (although I couldn't stop picturing Robert California saying some of those lines in the Dunder Mifflin conference room ). I wish they would have elaborated on his motives a little bit more. The few times that he was somewhat humanized or showed emotion were really great but I wish there was more elaboration on those moments. I also thought Jeremy Renner really shone through in this movie. He's one of my favorite action actors and it was really nice to get an expansion of his role, especially considering how under-utilized he was in the first Avengers.

Now to the critiques. First off, we get it, they're trying to save people. I understand that it was mainly a function of the plot (trying to get people off the floating land mass), but good Lord did they beat that point to death. Unfortunately I had read the Whedon quote about wanting to distinguish AoU from Man of Steel by showing the team actively trying to save people, but even had I not read that I still think it would have been excessive. Also, I thought the dialogue and attempts at quips and jokes were eye-roll worthy. I laughed maybe once the entire movie. I can appreciate humor and can recognize attempts at humor, but very very few of the remarks landed with me at all. The dialogue itself was incredibly cliche and cheesy, which is sort of to be expected, but there were many times where I cringed at either the actual words or the delivery of the lines themselves. Finally, Whedon continues to underwhelm shooting action sequences. I did think that the slow-motion group shot in the church at the end was VERY well done, but there were many times where it seemed like we were seeing the same shot over and over with slightly different action, especially regarding camera angle and the scope of the shot.

Overall, I thought it was alright. I truly tried to go in with an unbiased frame of mind, but it just did not hit home with me at all. It's basically the same formula Marvel has always had: fun action movies. And that's fine, but eventually I think they're going to have to try their hand something a little more serious, expanding on the tone they set in Winter Soldier (which is probably my favorite Marvel movie).

The mid-credits teaser was also cool. Really looking forward to Thanos. Hopefully he doesn't have an army of faceless underlings like Loki and Ultron both had, which I also thought was a detraction in that the two villains were too similar in both motive and method.

[WidespreadMule3]

Steng - I think some of the emphasis on saving civilians has to do with setup for the upcoming movies too. I'd elaborate more but it'd probably be spoiler-ish and not sure if you care or not.

[aeroshady]

Saw it last night. I liked it a lot. Was not thrilled with how they wrote Black Widow's character though.

Pretty good movie though!

[aeroshady]

Any Man looks terrible btw. I'm pretty shocked they would make that movie before giving a female lead character a movie. I know that has pissed off a lot of Marvel's female fan base.

[WidespreadMule3]

Black Widow definitely deserves her own standalone film. I'd be pumped to go see it.

Makes me wonder if they just look at the "success" of Elektra and Catwoman as how a female led film would do.

[Tomriddle]

Originally Posted by WidespreadMule3

Black Widow definitely deserves her own standalone film. I'd be pumped to go see it.

Makes me wonder if they just look at the "success" of Elektra and Catwoman as how a female led film would do.

I doubt it... the best argument I've seen is that female characters very rarely wear masks, so you would need to pay the actors a lot more (Downey Jr doesn't actually have to show up to work anytime Iron Man is in his suit, but ScarJo has to show up for every scene BW is in).

[junior94]

Originally Posted by WidespreadMule3

Black Widow definitely deserves her own standalone film. I'd be pumped to go see it.

Makes me wonder if they just look at the "success" of Elektra and Catwoman as how a female led film would do.

actually the really sad thing is, I recall seeing in one of those Sony email hacks, there was a message from one exec to whoever it was, it brought up exactly those titles (and I think 1 or 2 others) as an "argument" for why female films wouldn't work.


but I don't know... I mean, for now I'm still just holding onto a certain amount of trust for Feige and Marvel that each of these solo films come at a particular time when is most suitable for the OVERALL story they're telling.

[chadizzy1]

I caught something today listening to a podcast review - during the Avengers party when Stan Lee makes his cameo - one of the guys commented that those WWII vets could have been Capt America's friends from back in the day - that's why they were there at the party.

That didn't hit me at the movie.

[Jake]

I really liked it.


I take it that Ultron was sarcastic b/c he was based on Tony Stark, since he basically designed it. At least that's what I'm telling myself as to why a computer had so many witty lines.


but again, thought it was really good. They unnecessarily killed off a character, but other than that I thought it was

[Roose13]

Originally Posted by Jake

I really liked it.


I take it that Ultron was sarcastic b/c he was based on Tony Stark, since he basically designed it. At least that's what I'm telling myself as to why a computer had so many witty lines.


but again, thought it was really good. They unnecessarily killed off a character, but other than that I thought it was

Pretty much the reason. I think comic Ultron took on the personality of Hank Pym

[fridge112887]

Yet to see this and I'm kind of in the mood to watch on this dreadful, cold as balls IL night. Does anyone have a link to stream it online (yes, I'm too lazy and warm to drive to the Redbox here in town)?