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Old 07-21-2016, 12:06 PM   #31
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    In our league all players retain their original draft position so if AP was drafted 1st round and traded he'd still be considered 1st round.
    yes this is obvious

    but i think he's asking which team owns the rights to keep him

    the team AP started with or the team he was traded to?
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    Old 07-21-2016, 12:44 PM   #33
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    yes this is obvious

    but i think he's asking which team owns the rights to keep him

    the team AP started with or the team he was traded to?
    I would think ended up on.

    In my keeper leagues that is a huge deal. When a team is out of contention, they trade for the future, kind of like MLB trading deadline stuff.
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    Old 07-21-2016, 12:46 PM   #34
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    I would think ended up on.

    In my keeper leagues that is a huge deal. When a team is out of contention, they trade for the future, kind of like MLB trading deadline stuff.
    that's what i would assume as well

    wouldn't make much sense to own the rights to a player that didn't end the season on your roster
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    Old 07-21-2016, 01:07 PM   #35
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    The team he ended on has AD's rights, but with the first round value from the team that drafted him. I've never heard of a league resetting a player's keeper value after he was traded.
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    Old 07-21-2016, 03:16 PM   #36
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    ok so in this instance its pretty easy. AP was picked in the first two rounds of the original team. So although he was traded, the new owner doesn't get to keep him because of where AP was originally drafted. Right? (again, no keeper from first two rounds)

    Now what if AP was drafted in the 3rd round and subsequently traded? Who gets him as the keeper? The team that drafted him, or the team that now owns him?

    The new team right??
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    Old 07-21-2016, 03:18 PM   #37
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    always the new team

    it would make 0 sense for a team that traded him and no longer has him on their roster to own his rights
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    Old 07-21-2016, 03:19 PM   #38
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    always the new team

    it would make 0 sense for a team that traded him and no longer has him on their roster to own his rights
    yeah thats what i thought. for some reason i was struggling with this.

    edit: but his keeper "status" is always based on where he was INITIALLY drafted...correct?
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    yeah thats what i thought. for some reason i was struggling with this.

    edit: but his keeper "status" is always based on where he was INITIALLY drafted...correct?
    yea i mean i wasn't sure at first either but it honestly wouldn't make sense any other way

    and i never do keepers but a player's draft position doesn't suddenly change after he is traded so that's a non-issue
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    Hopkins is a second round keeper. I can trade him today for an 8th round pick. Prefer to trade closer to keeper deadline in case of camp injury but he said the 8th is on the table today. Then I'd keep Hopkins. I offered a 6th and and said 9th. He went up to 8th.

    Would you make the deal?
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    Hopkins is a second round keeper. I can trade him today for an 8th round pick. Prefer to trade closer to keeper deadline in case of camp injury but he said the 8th is on the table today. Then I'd keep Hopkins. I offered a 6th and and said 9th. He went up to 8th.

    Would you make the deal?
    So wait, clarify this. You'd be trading Hopkins for an 8th round pick?

    What pick do you give up to keep him?
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    Old 07-22-2016, 07:48 AM   #42
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    Hopkins is a second round keeper. I can trade him today for an 8th round pick. Prefer to trade closer to keeper deadline in case of camp injury but he said the 8th is on the table today. Then I'd keep Hopkins. I offered a 6th and and said 9th. He went up to 8th.

    Would you make the deal?
    Why would you trade Hopkins for anything? But an 8th round pick? No chance.
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    Hopkins is a second round keeper. I can trade him today for an 8th round pick. Prefer to trade closer to keeper deadline in case of camp injury but he said the 8th is on the table today. Then I'd keep Hopkins. I offered a 6th and and said 9th. He went up to 8th.

    Would you make the deal?
    Don't trade Hopkins. He's worth a 1st round pick, so if you get your first round pick back after trading him you likely won't get someone better than him by using your pick. I think Hopkins was more along the lines of a 3rd round pick last year. So no way you can get value for him.

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    Hopkins is a second round keeper. I can trade him today for an 8th round pick. Prefer to trade closer to keeper deadline in case of camp injury but he said the 8th is on the table today. Then I'd keep Hopkins. I offered a 6th and and said 9th. He went up to 8th.

    Would you make the deal?
    lol no dude, no
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    better keeper? Mark Ingram, Mike Evans, or Sammy Watkins.
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    better keeper? Mark Ingram, Mike Evans, or Sammy Watkins.
    If keeper levels are all equal, then its a toss-up between Ingram and Evans. Evans PPR.
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    If keeper levels are all equal, then its a toss-up between Ingram and Evans. Evans PPR.
    i guess it all depends on who the other folks in my league keep and whats left at the RB position...usually not much, in which case i would need to go ingram. but generally speaking, i was leaning towards Evans.
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    i guess it all depends on who the other folks in my league keep and whats left at the RB position...usually not much, in which case i would need to go ingram. but generally speaking, i was leaning towards Evans.
    I'd probably agree with Evans. Is you league setup so that everyone can see each other's keepers? Ours are hidden until the deadline passes. But you can usually figure out who most people will keep, based on round value.
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    I'd probably agree with Evans. Is you league setup so that everyone can see each other's keepers? Ours are hidden until the deadline passes. But you can usually figure out who most people will keep, based on round value.
    not sure about that, i will have to check. but im the commish so i can see who everyone keeps. either way, we've always told our owners who the keepers are. helps in the draft planning.
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    Old 07-23-2016, 10:22 AM   #50
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    not sure about that, i will have to check. but im the commish so i can see who everyone keeps. either way, we've always told our owners who the keepers are. helps in the draft planning.
    I always set our deadline about 3 days before draft day. That gives me time to prepare the final draft board and everyone else time to figure the keepers in their final draft prep. But before the deadline, we don't know who people are keeping unless they mention it.
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    So wait, clarify this. You'd be trading Hopkins for an 8th round pick?

    What pick do you give up to keep him?
    All you guys calling me out like I don't know I'm doing. I won this league last year. I guess I needed to clarify and lengthen the post to say we keep 3 guys. I am already keeping:

    A Brown -5th rd
    gronk - 8th rd
    A Robinson - 9th.

    Brown and gronk I've kept for years. I drafted Hopkins in 2nd last year's draft and ARob in the 9th. So I prefer to keep Robinson in the 9th over hopkins in the 2nd. I can trade Hopkins to another team before keeper freeze for a pick and not lose him for nothing. That team can then keep Hopkins. I also drafted Landry so I had all 4 wrs and I drafted Brady late as my Qb.

    I started the season 9-0.

    Sorry I wasn't clearer in the first post.

    My concern was a camp injury. I'll deal closer to the keeper deadline if possible so long as everyone is healthy, then.
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    All you guys calling me out like I don't know I'm doing. I won this league last year. I guess I needed to clarify and lengthen the post to say we keep 3 guys. I am already keeping:

    A Brown -5th rd
    gronk - 8th rd
    A Robinson - 9th.

    Brown and gronk I've kept for years. I drafted Hopkins in 2nd last year's draft and ARob in the 9th. So I prefer to keep Robinson in the 9th over hopkins in the 2nd. I can trade Hopkins to another team before keeper freeze for a pick and not lose him for nothing. That team can then keep Hopkins. I also drafted Landry so I had all 4 wrs and I drafted Brady late as my Qb.

    I started the season 9-0.

    Sorry I wasn't clearer in the first post.

    My concern was a camp injury. I'll deal closer to the keeper deadline if possible so long as everyone is healthy, then.
    I agree you should trade Hopkins in this situation, but considering where he has been going, you should be able to get a third or fourth for him.
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    I agree you should trade Hopkins in this situation, but considering where he has been going, you should be able to get a third or fourth for him.
    Maybe but the new owner has to then keep him in the 2nd and lose that round. Generally, people don't pay top pick in 10 teamer for a high round keeper. Guys like later round keepers.
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    Maybe but the new owner has to then keep him in the 2nd and lose that round. Generally, people don't pay top pick in 10 teamer for a high round keeper. Guys like later round keepers.
    Yea, I forgot about this. Trading keepers is tough.
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    couple updates

    Bell is now falling to the 2nd round. I grabbed him at 2.05 in one of my drafts, as the 7th rb off the board.

    Apparently Elliott is now falling to the 2nd too. A friend got him at 2.03 today. Not sure why since I'd be surprised if these accusations went anywhere.

    I would strongly consider taking Gordon as a wr3, somewhere in the round 6-7 range.
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    rg3 and gordon back together again!
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    couple updates

    Bell is now falling to the 2nd round. I grabbed him at 2.05 in one of my drafts, as the 7th rb off the board.

    Apparently Elliott is now falling to the 2nd too. A friend got him at 2.03 today. Not sure why since I'd be surprised if these accusations went anywhere.

    I would strongly consider taking Gordon as a wr3, somewhere in the round 6-7 range.
    He's on my do not draft list at this point unless he really falls. I'd rather just avoid the unknown. Early second still seems early, at least to me, mainly because I'm siding with the accusations being true.
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    He's on my do not draft list at this point unless he really falls. I'd rather just avoid the unknown. Early second still seems early, at least to me, mainly because I'm siding with the accusations being true.
    he's still worth a mid-2nd round pick even if he only plays 12 games IMO

    health would be a bigger concern than the suspension for me. and, IMO, his knee injuries were freaky and don't really scream fragility to me

    i'd take him in the 2nd and handcuff him with Williams
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    He's on my do not draft list at this point unless he really falls.
    How does this work?
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    he's still worth a mid-2nd round pick even if he only plays 12 games IMO

    health would be a bigger concern than the suspension for me. and, IMO, his knee injuries were freaky and don't really scream fragility to me

    i'd take him in the 2nd and handcuff him with Williams
    Yea, this is obviously a situation where the above is a good strategy, but I prefer not to go this route. I don't like using two picks for one starting roster spot.

    It helps that I'm a big believer in no RB in the first round, and usually the second round. WR-WR for me almost always. But that's just the strategy I've come to love. I see the argument for RBs in the first. And obviously points and things like that vary per league and will have an affect on drafting strategy.
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