2016 Race to the White House

[cazzie34]

Which candidate has forced/pressured the most women to get abortions? I'm guessing the score is prettttyyyy pretttyyyy pretttyyy close.

[kydmb99]

Sorry haven't really thought of specific policies for a hypothetical political party haha but off the top of my head, here are probably a few:

- Some type of cut off point for abortions (after first trimester?). It's pretty clear that after a certain point, it's no longer a "glob of cells" and in my opinion, a human being deserving of legal protection. Wouldn't be opposed to exceptions in case life of mother is compromised.
- Public policies that do everything to reduce the demand for abortions. Obviously pushing abstinence would be part of it but I'm not naive. Easy access to birth control would also be important, especially in lower income areas.
- Policies that promote adoption as an alternative.

Again, this is on the fly without a whole lot of thought but I guess that could be a general outline of potential policy.

Personally, I wish abortion were basically illegal. I think it's a barbaric, disgusting procedure that I hope we look back on in shame one day. However, I'm also pragmatic. I think there needs to be a cut off point but I'm not naive enough to think Roe vs. Wade is going to be overturned and I have some reservations about whether it should be completely.

I think in general, the philosophy would fall in between the "Restriction on all abortion" stance of the far right and the "unlimited abortion on demand" stance of the far left.

[justink]

IUD's and abortions should be handed out like halloween candy. in fact, when a girl starts her monthly cycle (at whatever age), i'm cool with state issued IUD's.

[TheLastPig]

Originally Posted by kydmb99

Sorry haven't really thought of specific policies for a hypothetical political party haha but off the top of my head, here are probably a few:

- Some type of cut off point for abortions (after first trimester?). It's pretty clear that after a certain point, it's no longer a "glob of cells" and in my opinion, a human being deserving of legal protection. Wouldn't be opposed to exceptions in case life of mother is compromised.
- Public policies that do everything to reduce the demand for abortions. Obviously pushing abstinence would be part of it but I'm not naive. Easy access to birth control would also be important, especially in lower income areas.
- Policies that promote adoption as an alternative.

Again, this is on the fly without a whole lot of thought but I guess that could be a general outline of potential policy.

Personally, I wish abortion were basically illegal. I think it's a barbaric, disgusting procedure that I hope we look back on in shame one day. However, I'm also pragmatic. I think there needs to be a cut off point but I'm not naive enough to think Roe vs. Wade is going to be overturned and I have some reservations about whether it should be completely.

I think in general, the philosophy would fall in between the "Restriction on all abortion" stance of the far right and the "unlimited abortion on demand" stance of the far left.

That will just push the argument further out. The claims like "there are fingernails after 2 weeks!" is just what you will run into.

I could maybe understand a cutoff point of the end of the second trimester.

Abortions are never going to just stop happening so we arent gonna get to a point where we "look back in shame"

[chadizzy1]

Originally Posted by kydmb99

Sorry haven't really thought of specific policies for a hypothetical political party haha but off the top of my head, here are probably a few:

- Some type of cut off point for abortions (after first trimester?). It's pretty clear that after a certain point, it's no longer a "glob of cells" and in my opinion, a human being deserving of legal protection. Wouldn't be opposed to exceptions in case life of mother is compromised.
- Public policies that do everything to reduce the demand for abortions. Obviously pushing abstinence would be part of it but I'm not naive. Easy access to birth control would also be important, especially in lower income areas.
- Policies that promote adoption as an alternative.

Again, this is on the fly without a whole lot of thought but I guess that could be a general outline of potential policy.

Personally, I wish abortion were basically illegal. I think it's a barbaric, disgusting procedure that I hope we look back on in shame one day. However, I'm also pragmatic. I think there needs to be a cut off point but I'm not naive enough to think Roe vs. Wade is going to be overturned and I have some reservations about whether it should be completely.

I think in general, the philosophy would fall in between the "Restriction on all abortion" stance of the far right and the "unlimited abortion on demand" stance of the far left.

My thoughts on reducing abortion.

1. Adoption needs to be easier, more accessible and more affordable. Perhaps a tax credit when women put their children up for adoption (though not too much, people could take advantage of that by having babies for profit).
2. Republicans need to quit advocating to cut programs that aid young mothers and children. I get it, they don't like social programs that aid the needy, but if they care more about abortion lessening, they need to quit being "pro-birth" and act truly "pro-life" by valuing life at ALL ages, not just when it's in the womb.

If there were more programs that aided women and children and the GOP quit fighting to cut them, I guarantee abortions would lessen.

[Climb2safety]

Originally Posted by kydmb99

The more time goes on, the more I think Trumpism is the future of the GOP

Originally Posted by VTDMBNH

^or the end of the GOP. Hard to say at this point.

Both party's could split in the future.

Trump's supporters could lead one, Paul Ryan's the other.

Then, it's also possible Warren splits the Dems the same way taking the Bernie crowd and leaving labor and African Americans in the other wing.

What would be interesting in this scenario is that it would be likely that no one candidate got to 270 EC votes and Congress would pick the President.

It could happen in the near future.

[cazzie34]

Most women (like pretty much every woman) wants to get an abortion in the first trimester anyway. Pain (both mental, physical, and emotional) goes way up the longer you go. I think Roe does a pretty good job of finding a balance. Late term abortions are rare already, even when legal.

[cazzie34]

Originally Posted by chadizzy1

My thoughts on reducing abortion.

1. Adoption needs to be easier, more accessible and more affordable. Perhaps a tax credit when women put their children up for adoption (though not too much, people could take advantage of that by having babies for profit).
2. Republicans need to quit advocating to cut programs that aid young mothers and children. I get it, they don't like social programs that aid the needy, but if they care more about abortion lessening, they need to quit being "pro-birth" and act truly "pro-life" by valuing life at ALL ages, not just when it's in the womb.

If there were more programs that aided women and children and the GOP quit fighting to cut them, I guarantee abortions would lessen.

The bold is so much truth. The amount of hoops my aunt and uncle had to jump through to get a child was ri.dic.u.lous.

[ExistenceNow]

Originally Posted by kydmb99

Sorry haven't really thought of specific policies for a hypothetical political party haha but off the top of my head, here are probably a few:

- Some type of cut off point for abortions (after first trimester?). It's pretty clear that after a certain point, it's no longer a "glob of cells" and in my opinion, a human being deserving of legal protection. Wouldn't be opposed to exceptions in case life of mother is compromised.
- Public policies that do everything to reduce the demand for abortions. Obviously pushing abstinence would be part of it but I'm not naive. Easy access to birth control would also be important, especially in lower income areas.
- Policies that promote adoption as an alternative.

Again, this is on the fly without a whole lot of thought but I guess that could be a general outline of potential policy.

Personally, I wish abortion were basically illegal. I think it's a barbaric, disgusting procedure that I hope we look back on in shame one day. However, I'm also pragmatic. I think there needs to be a cut off point but I'm not naive enough to think Roe vs. Wade is going to be overturned and I have some reservations about whether it should be completely.

I think in general, the philosophy would fall in between the "Restriction on all abortion" stance of the far right and the "unlimited abortion on demand" stance of the far left.

Well said. I think that's a good description of what a moderate stance on abortion could look like and I think the GOP would do itself a huge favor by adopting it (pardon my pun.)

[chadizzy1]

Originally Posted by cazzie34

The bold is so much truth. The amount of hoops my aunt and uncle had to jump through to get a child was ri.dic.u.lous.

When I was a single dad I tried to adopt and was basically told I would have no luck adopting and if I did I would be on a long, long waiting list.

[MDPrompter]

When is the next Trump Vid or Hot Mic gonna drop? I'm jonesin, man. Need a fix!

[ExistenceNow]

http://www.newyorker.com/cartoons/da...7th-texas-blue


Love it.

#maketexasblueagain

[Arby]

Texas wont be blue within the next 4 elections at least

[cazzie34]

Hey LastPig, sorry to hear about your fiancee at her work. Good example of how hurtful locker room talk can be. And how poisonous shitty bosses who don't care about anyone except themselves can be.

Keeping it in this thread since I made a political jab.

[TheLastPig]

Originally Posted by cazzie34

Hey LastPig, sorry to hear about your fiancee at her work. Good example of how hurtful locker room talk can be. And how poisonous shitty bosses who don't care about anyone except themselves can be.

Keeping it in this thread since I made a political jab.

Thanks.

It all worked out in the end though. She has a better paying job that she likes more now with more PTO.

And she is still on good terms with the guy running the place now and he even offered that she can do closings for them on nights/weekends to make extra cash if she wanted.

[justink]

radio douchebag.

info wars.

yadda yadda.

let's focus on the facts. did hillary have a closed door meeting with the elections chairwoman in broward county? the most important county in Florida, one of the historically most important states of the EC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2UzPwNRSH8

[justink]

Originally Posted by Arby

Texas wont be blue within the next 4 elections at least

not if we build that wall!!!

[cazzie34]

well? I'm not watching a 15 minute video so you need to tell me if she did and the evidence to support it.

[cazzie34]

Originally Posted by justink

radio douchebag.

info wars.

yadda yadda.

let's focus on the facts. did hillary have a closed door meeting with the elections chairwoman in broward county? the most important county in Florida, one of the historically most important states of the EC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2UzPwNRSH8

Is the source this tweet from @housecracka? https://theconservativetreehouse.fil...election-2.jpg

[TwoStep2888]

Originally Posted by ExistenceNow

http://www.newyorker.com/cartoons/da...7th-texas-blue


Love it.

#maketexasblueagain

it would be so cool

Originally Posted by Arby

Texas wont be blue within the next 4 elections at least

probably, but it would be so cool

[Arby]

I'd love to see Utah go purple and Texas go blue.

That would be such a slap in the face to Grumpy-Trumpy

[smokew11]

Originally Posted by chadizzy1

My thoughts on reducing abortion.

1. Adoption needs to be easier, more accessible and more affordable. Perhaps a tax credit when women put their children up for adoption (though not too much, people could take advantage of that by having babies for profit).
2. Republicans need to quit advocating to cut programs that aid young mothers and children. I get it, they don't like social programs that aid the needy, but if they care more about abortion lessening, they need to quit being "pro-birth" and act truly "pro-life" by valuing life at ALL ages, not just when it's in the womb.

If there were more programs that aided women and children and the GOP quit fighting to cut them, I guarantee abortions would lessen.

well put. adoptions are extremely expensive and the process is difficult. I dont like the idea of tax credits for the birth mom though

Your 2nd point is so ridiculously true as well.
- republican policies that cut sex ed (and many types of ed) programs, push abstinence
- inner city teen without much parental support and underfunded education gets pregnant
- repubs say she has to keep the child so she does
- repubs says she shouldnt get aid- she shouldnt have gotten pregnant and since she did, she should get off her lazy ass

[TwoStep2888]

glad no one was hurt http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/27/politi...way/index.html

[mrignatious]

Originally Posted by TwoStep2888

glad no one was hurt http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/27/politi...way/index.html

scary situation, glad everyone is ok.

[DMBstandUP1984]

http://www.fox25boston.com/news/tren...otes/461264749

Hillary votes flipping to Trump. I guess the Hillary camp can also use the rigged theory now

[ExistenceNow]

Reports of that happening in Texas too, but the article I read on NPR said it was dumb old people who can't use a touch screen that was the issue.

[DMBstandUP1984]

Originally Posted by ExistenceNow

Reports of that happening in Texas too, but the article I read on NPR said it was dumb old people who can't use a touch screen that was the issue.

Yea Trump was on FNC tonight talking about Texas lol

[justink]

Originally Posted by DMBstandUP1984

http://www.fox25boston.com/news/tren...otes/461264749

Hillary votes flipping to Trump. I guess the Hillary camp can also use the rigged theory now

Originally Posted by ExistenceNow

Reports of that happening in Texas too, but the article I read on NPR said it was dumb old people who can't use a touch screen that was the issue.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...eir-votes.html

it's happened the last 16 years with these bullshit digital machines. i don't trust them.

it's simply calibration issues. they just replaced an entire set in Houston yesterday. you'd think they would calibrate these fuckers in the six months before a big election every four years....

[VTDMBNH]

You just have to be slightly smarter than a rock to vote properly - these machines show you a summary screen of your choices. If you don't like them, fix them.

Not a single one of these errors was voter fraud.

[DMBstandUP1984]

You would be surprised. When I worked at Verizon Wireless we had a self check-in machine. All you had to do was enter your cell phone number, it would shock you how many people couldn't figure out what to do