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Old 08-16-2012, 09:45 AM   #1561
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Also, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a new unwritten rule where you can't try to work a walk to end a perfect game once it gets to the 7th inning or something.
I doubt this, guys are too competitive. Plus, a perfect game might be close or tied in the late innings, gotta get men on base by any means.
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    Old 08-16-2012, 10:33 AM   #1563
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    The Rays are in an absolute dogfight for the wild card and were losing by 1 run yesterday. No doubt they were trying as hard as possible, regardless of historic implications of the game.
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    The Rays are in an absolute dogfight for the wild card and were losing by 1 run yesterday. No doubt they were trying as hard as possible, regardless of historic implications of the game.
    Plus, you have to think the Rays are getting tired of being the "perfect opponent". They have been on the bad end of 3 perfect games in the last 4 seasons. That's embarrassing. Justin Verlander must just salivate when he's facing the Rays knowing how much he wants a perfect game/no hitter.
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    Why have more pitchers been caught using than hitters? Why do pitchers lift weights?

    To assume that PEDs don't have any impact on on pitcher's speed or break while assuming that they'll add as much as 50 ft to the flight of the ball without any proof is lame.

    Honestly, I don't even think the steroid era had the highest average runs scored a game. There were many factors for the scoring increases in the PED era, PEDs were just one of them.
    So because pitchers lift weights we should totally discount the enormous increase in home runs during the PED era. Got it.

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    Old 08-16-2012, 04:40 PM   #1566
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    Go ahead and show me the study that concludes steroid uses adds 50 feet to fly balls.
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    Old 08-16-2012, 04:45 PM   #1567
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    all i know is, when i started lifting weights in HS, my avg stayed steady but I def hit the ball farther..because I was stronger
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    Old 08-16-2012, 04:46 PM   #1568
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    PEDs run rampant throughout the sport. Power numbers soar. MLB actively pursues PEDs. Power numbers level off. Next question.
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    Old 08-16-2012, 04:48 PM   #1569
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    PEDs help hitters and pitchers.
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    There's no pitcher equivalent of a home run though, so wouldn't you agree that they help hitters more?
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    they help pitchers differently...working out your chest and shoulders doesnt help you thrown faster. i think for pitchers its all about the legs, which really helps with endurance, so maybe thats how PEDs helped pitchers...doesnt HGH help regenerate muscle and decrease recovery time? that alone would help a pitcher a whole hell of a lot.

    i still dont think PEDs helped pitchers nearly as much as hitters though..we had hitters going from 12 HR's to 50 HR's...we had guys who hit 40ish HRs every year start hitting 65. i dont remember any pitchers throwing 85 mph fastballs start throwin 93
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    Old 08-16-2012, 05:02 PM   #1572
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    i mean look at Sosa...

    33 HRs
    25 HRs
    36
    40
    36...pretty good numbers, all star numbers...then..
    66
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    the guy averaged 60 homeruns for 4 years..wtf
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    Old 08-16-2012, 05:04 PM   #1573
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    Brady Anderson hit 50 home runs in 1996. His next highest for a season? 24
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    What if wins were vacated because of players testing positive?
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    Old 08-16-2012, 05:18 PM   #1575
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    Re: ***2012 MLB Season Thread***

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    There's no pitcher equivalent of a home run though, so wouldn't you agree that they help hitters more?
    Do you know what gaining 5-6 mph on a fastball means for a pitcher? It puts them in a totally different league.
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    Do you know what gaining 5-6 mph on a fastball means for a pitcher? It puts them in a totally different league.
    I understand that, but the impact on the game overall isn't nearly as big as power numbers.
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    Victor Conte is such a bitch, "Half of baseball is on PED." I fucking hate, hate, hate snitches. Dude just wants attention.
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    Old 08-16-2012, 05:34 PM   #1578
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    I understand that, but the impact on the game overall isn't nearly as big as power numbers.
    I'm not so sure about that. If a pitcher that throws 91 or so is using HGH or something and it gets him up to 96 that can have quite a big impact on the game.
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    I'm not so sure about that. If a pitcher that throws 91 or so is using HGH or something and it gets him up to 96 that can have quite a big impact on the game.
    There are clearly a multitude of factors that impact total runs scored by all teams in a given season, but in 1996 there is a clear spike in total runs scored and this spike continues through 2001, with a significant drop off in 2002.

    I don't think that it's a coincidence that this was also the PED era of baseball.

    I'm not trying to say that pitchers don't benefit, but rather that the impact of PEDs was far greater on the offense than the pitching.

    Edit: here's the link was I was using to get those numbers www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/bat.shtml
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    So because pitchers lift weights we should totally discount the enormous increase in home runs during the PED era. Got it.

    to the bolded
    ....how do you know we aren't still in the PED era?
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    Old 08-16-2012, 05:55 PM   #1581
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    There are clearly a multitude of factors that impact total runs scored by all teams in a given season, but in 1996 there is a clear spike in total runs scored and this spike continues through 2001, with a significant drop off in 2002.

    I don't think that it's a coincidence that this was also the PED era of baseball.

    I'm not trying to say that pitchers don't benefit, but rather that the impact of PEDs was far greater on the offense than the pitching.

    Edit: here's the link was I was using to get those numbers www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/bat.shtml
    This is a bunch of nonsense. If anything you would expect these numbers to gradually increase, not spike in one year, if it was due to PED use. It's not as if all of a sudden everyone in baseball discovered steroids. They were being used before 96.
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    This is a bunch of nonsense. If anything you would expect these numbers to gradually increase, not spike in one year, if it was due to PED use. It's not as if all of a sudden everyone in baseball discovered steroids. They were being used before 96.
    They were being used, but I wouldn't imagine they were as widely spread as they became in the mid 90s. I'm open to other suggestions that explain the jump in runs scored and home runs though.

    Edit: Also if you go back to the early 90s you see a trend upward, obviously interrupted by the 94 season.
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    Well, they did add about 25 pitchers to the major league level who previously would have been at the minor league level, 12 of which were pitching in the most homer-friendly park in the history of the game.
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    Well, they did add about 25 pitchers to the major league level who previously would have been at the minor league level, 12 of which were pitching in the most homer-friendly park in the history of the game.
    Adding two teams is a valid point, if only due to the increased number of at bats in a season.
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    What if wins were vacated because of players testing positive?
    It would probably end the career of anyone caught since no team would want to take the chance of losing wins again, thus it would be a successful system.
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    It would probably end the career of anyone caught since no team would want to take the chance of losing wins again, thus it would be a successful system.
    thats why i think a year-long ban for a 1st offense, lifetime ban for a 2nd offense would be a great deterrent
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    I wish everyone was juiced out of their mind.
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    I wish everyone was juiced out of their mind.
    I don't. Sends the wrong message to kids. Steroids destroy your body. Literally the only drug I would never do, but that's just me.
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    I don't. Sends the wrong message to kids. Steroids destroy your body. Literally the only drug I would never do, but that's just me.
    you'd do heroin? thats the drug you dont do
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