Poker on TV

[dre2142]

Originally Posted by spoot388

dude, its a card game. its as bad as the national spelling bee. it would be just as bad as a card game that everyone knows how to play like go fish or rummy. there is no reason whatsoever for poker to be televised.

You just continue to make yourself look stupid the more and more you post...which is the norm in most of the threads you post in.
Are you saying everyone knows how to play no limit, and its a game like go fish?? Oh yeah, thats right...you think its a 100% game of chance and no skill whatsover is involved.

Lets reflect on the deep knowledge of SPOOT

Originally Posted by spoot388

a game like poker takes no skill at all. it doesn't matter how "good" of a player you are, if you get shitty cards, theres nothing you can do about it. when its 4th and 3, whoever gets the ball is going to have a chance to make something happen, as will the entire defense trying to stop him. and whatever the outcome is, somebody used their skill to keep the other from achieving their goal.


in craps, you can't make the dice roll a certain way, but in chess you can do different strategies to try to win. chess needs skill, craps doesn't.

And then you making yourself look dumber by trying to justify it:

Originally Posted by spoot388

your hand (5 of the 7):
2 of diamonds, 4 of clubs, 7 of clubs, 8 of spades, 10 of hearts, K of diamonds, A of spades


now win





you can still get a first on 4th and 23 though

Now win? lol. You crack me up Spoot. Now disappear from this thread like you did the other.

[Tiduwho]

Wow spoot, you are a moron. Do you know anything about Texas Hold 'Em, or even simple betting games in general?

[Tiduwho]

I wish you could somehow rig up a hack online that for every hand they fold to you, you could show 7 2 off. That would be awesome.

[dre2142]

But, But, But, you cant win with 7-2. IMPOSSIBLE

[spoot388]

Originally Posted by dre2142

You just continue to make yourself look stupid the more and more you post...which is the norm in most of the threads you post in.
Are you saying everyone knows how to play no limit, and its a game like go fish?? Oh yeah, thats right...you think its a 100% game of chance and no skill whatsover is involved.

Lets reflect on the deep knowledge of SPOOT



And then you making yourself look dumber by trying to justify it:





Now win? lol. You crack me up Spoot. Now disappear from this thread like you did the other.

you are completely missing what i'm saying. whether i know how to play poker or not doesn't matter. everybody knows how to play go fish. if ESPN televised a go fish tournament, they would get laughed at. but whats the difference with poker? its still people sitting at a table playing a card game. but poker is considered great entertainment when you are watching people sit on chairs.

and outside of being able to lie your way out of losing, what skill does it take to play poker? in baseball, if you told albert pujols to hit a pitch on the ground towards 3rd base, he can do that. if you told him hit the next one in the air to right field, he can do that. if i give you a hand of crappy cards and say turn it into a full house, you can't do that. it IS about luck. if you don't get dealt the right cards, you're not going to have a winning hand. all you do then is lie, and at some point, anybody can out lie anybody else. theres no special talent involved.

Originally Posted by Tiduwho

Wow spoot, you are a moron. Do you know anything about Texas Hold 'Em, or even simple betting games in general?

i don't gamble. i have better things to do with my money than to waste it on that.

[Nick@Night]

^ Look out for this guy.

[dre2142]

Originally Posted by spoot388

you are completely missing what i'm saying. whether i know how to play poker or not doesn't matter. everybody knows how to play go fish. if ESPN televised a go fish tournament, they would get laughed at. but whats the difference with poker? its still people sitting at a table playing a card game. but poker is considered great entertainment when you are watching people sit on chairs.

and outside of being able to lie your way out of losing, what skill does it take to play poker? in baseball, if you told albert pujols to hit a pitch on the ground towards 3rd base, he can do that. if you told him hit the next one in the air to right field, he can do that. if i give you a hand of crappy cards and say turn it into a full house, you can't do that. it IS about luck. if you don't get dealt the right cards, you're not going to have a winning hand. all you do then is lie, and at some point, anybody can out lie anybody else. theres no special talent involved.

Its all about luck huh?
Your logic would KINDA make sense if you were dealt ONE HAND and thats it......Its pointless to discuss this with someone like you.....

[Tiduwho]

Originally Posted by spoot388

you are completely missing what i'm saying. whether i know how to play poker or not doesn't matter. everybody knows how to play go fish. if ESPN televised a go fish tournament, they would get laughed at. but whats the difference with poker? its still people sitting at a table playing a card game. but poker is considered great entertainment when you are watching people sit on chairs.

and outside of being able to lie your way out of losing, what skill does it take to play poker? in baseball, if you told albert pujols to hit a pitch on the ground towards 3rd base, he can do that. if you told him hit the next one in the air to right field, he can do that. if i give you a hand of crappy cards and say turn it into a full house, you can't do that. it IS about luck. if you don't get dealt the right cards, you're not going to have a winning hand. all you do then is lie, and at some point, anybody can out lie anybody else. theres no special talent involved.

So football games are decided on one play then. And baseball games are decided with one at bat.


You can win a hand with anything, yes. And you can lose a hand with anything. The part you are having trouble understanding is that a poker tournament is not decided on one hand. You can't lose if you fold. Simple as that.

If you told Albert Pujols to hit a home run off Tim Lincecum on the next pitch, he can try, but probably won't. Just like you can try playing 3 2 off, but you probably won't win if you actually play it all the way down to the showdown after the river (5th card). It's best to fold your bad hand. Or in Pujols case, it's best to not swing for the fences on a bad pitch.

Wait for the next one. But then again, sometimes it's worth taking risks. That's why it's interesting.

[spoot388]

Originally Posted by Tiduwho

So football games are decided on one play then. And baseball games are decided with one at bat.


You can win a hand with anything, yes. And you can lose a hand with anything. The part you are having trouble understanding is that a poker tournament is not decided on one hand. You can't lose if you fold. Simple as that.

If you told Albert Pujols to hit a home run off Tim Lincecum on the next pitch, he can try, but probably won't. Just like you can try playing 3 2 off, but you probably won't win if you actually play it all the way down to the showdown after the river (5th card). It's best to fold your bad hand. Or in Pujols case, it's best to not swing for the fences on a bad pitch.

a lot of times, yes, football and baseball games are decided with one play. the nebraska-colorado game tonight was decided on a 57 yard field goal. that one play made the difference in who won. its not practical to go out onto the field and say alright, we're just going to have the kicker try a 50 yarder and if you makes it you win, if not, they win. they play the entire game, but for all they did, it still comes down to one play.


i understand what you are saying with pujols and lincecum. for pujols the best thing would be to not swing, but what if he had to? if he had 2 strikes and the pitch would be a called strike 3, he would have to swing. but trying to foul off a 85mph slider to stay alive is a lot harder than just sitting in a chair and saying basically "i don't like these cards, im not playing" and fold to have another chance the next hand.

[UNC41]

Originally Posted by spoot388

a lot of times, yes, football and baseball games are decided with one play. the nebraska-colorado game tonight was decided on a 57 yard field goal. that one play made the difference in who won. its not practical to go out onto the field and say alright, we're just going to have the kicker try a 50 yarder and if you makes it you win, if not, they win. they play the entire game, but for all they did, it still comes down to one play.


i understand what you are saying with pujols and lincecum. for pujols the best thing would be to not swing, but what if he had to? if he had 2 strikes and the pitch would be a called strike 3, he would have to swing. but trying to foul off a 85mph slider to stay alive is a lot harder than just sitting in a chair and saying basically "i don't like these cards, im not playing" and fold to have another chance the next hand.

You really have no idea what you are talking about. Your analogies with poker and go fish are just horrible. First, it is clear you have no idea of the level of thinking that can take place at a poker table between what you are doing and what the rest of the table is as well. Second, poker on TV is more popular than go fish would be because these guys are playing for hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars. It is the same reason the World Series is more popular than Spring Training games ... there is much more on the line.

There are other points to be made about how a poker tournament comes down to one hand and that rising blinds and antes force you to not just sit and wait for the perfect hand, but I'm not sure your ignorance on the subject would allow you to grasp them ...

[jimibadfish]

I bluffed $320 out of a guy with J high Monday night. That's not luck. That's called BALLS.

[spoot388]

Originally Posted by UNC41

You really have no idea what you are talking about. Your analogies with poker and go fish are just horrible. First, it is clear you have no idea of the level of thinking that can take place at a poker table between what you are doing and what the rest of the table is as well. Second, poker on TV is more popular than go fish would be because these guys are playing for hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars. It is the same reason the World Series is more popular than Spring Training games ... there is much more on the line.

There are other points to be made about how a poker tournament comes down to one hand and that rising blinds and antes force you to not just sit and wait for the perfect hand, but I'm not sure your ignorance on the subject would allow you to grasp them ...

so you're saying no one would care about poker if they played with nickels and quarters? and why can't they put a million dollar prize on a WAR tournament and air that? wouldn't that draw an audience because there is "more on the line"?

i'm surprised no one has thought of that yet with all the other crap they put on tv.




and don't tell me i dont know what level of thinking they do. i do more thinking than anybody i've ever met. i analyze everything and end up with counterpoints to counterpoints to hypothetical points i thought of.

[jimibadfish]

Originally Posted by spoot388

so you're saying no one would care about poker if they played with nickels and quarters? and why can't they put a million dollar prize on a WAR tournament and air that? wouldn't that draw an audience because there is "more on the line"?

i'm surprised no one has thought of that yet with all the other crap they put on tv.

I hate tv poker, but you really don't understand what the hell you're saying on the topic of Texas Hold 'Em in general. This ain't Pai Gow or Three Card beat-the-fucking-dealer at a cheap casino table, my man.

[UNC41]

Originally Posted by spoot388

so you're saying no one would care about poker if they played with nickels and quarters? and why can't they put a million dollar prize on a WAR tournament and air that? wouldn't that draw an audience because there is "more on the line"?

i'm surprised no one has thought of that yet with all the other crap they put on tv.




and don't tell me i dont know what level of thinking they do. i do more thinking than anybody i've ever met. i analyze everything and end up with counterpoints to counterpoints to hypothetical points i thought of.

If you had any idea about the level of thinking that goes into poker then you wouldn't be comparing it to war or go fish.

[Tiduwho]

Originally Posted by spoot388

so you're saying no one would care about poker if they played with nickels and quarters? and why can't they put a million dollar prize on a WAR tournament and air that? wouldn't that draw an audience because there is "more on the line"?

i'm surprised no one has thought of that yet with all the other crap they put on tv.




and don't tell me i dont know what level of thinking they do. i do more thinking than anybody i've ever met. i analyze everything and end up with counterpoints to counterpoints to hypothetical points i thought of.

No, because War doesn't involve betting, skill, or even probabilities.

[sully51]

I like watching it, but I'm starting to get annoyed with the "personalities" that are winning these days. Young losers who lived at home for years and played a shit ton of online poker. I'm glad your doing something you love and your successful but don't act like your cool as hell and don't act like a douche when you have a good hand.

[Tiduwho]

It's cool when you read a guy perfectly, reraise him all in with top pair when he has jack shit, and he calls with a gutshot all-in for his tourney life, and instead of ending up with 10,000 chips on the final table, he gets just that card on the river.


God I love that.

Edit: It makes up for it though when you have a guy betting you down to the river, he bets 1000 chips on the river, you raise all in for 1080 chips (80 more chips into a 6,000 chip pot), and he folds. I had QQ the cards were A A 6 2 5.

LOL

[crashintonickdm]

i personally dont have a problem with card games.

having them on TV is kind of ridiculous though. its hilarious how it has commentary too. id rather watch an NFL films segment or something.

[demar727]

Originally Posted by dre2142

I hate watching Golf on TV. (I dont play golf)
I hate watching Tennis on TV (I dont play Tennis)
I hate watching Basketball on TV (I dont play basketball)

Is it safe to assume that you dont play poker?

very safe ..i dont even know how to play!!

i didnt want to learn cause of the fad a few years ago.. and well..i dont follow fads

[K3nTaKa0s]

Phil Hellmuth is more entertaining than NBA Basketball.

[dre2142]

Originally Posted by spoot388

and don't tell me i dont know what level of thinking they do. i do more thinking than anybody i've ever met. i analyze everything and end up with counterpoints to counterpoints to hypothetical points i thought of.

Youre so full of yourself its funny. Really....you have no idea about the game of poker, otherwise you wouldnt continue to try to argue your point after numerous people have told you that you are wrong. You havent come up with a single relevant point to back up your claim that poker doesnt involve any skill. And like I said.....the majority of your posts on this board are LACKING thinking, not more.

[dre2142]

Originally Posted by demar727

very safe ..i dont even know how to play!!

i didnt want to learn cause of the fad a few years ago.. and well..i dont follow fads

Poker has been televised for much longer than from just a few years ago.
And No Limit isnt a fad...its been around for many decades.

[ji/\/\ithing]

Originally Posted by spoot388

so you're saying no one would care about poker if they played with nickels and quarters? and why can't they put a million dollar prize on a WAR tournament and air that? wouldn't that draw an audience because there is "more on the line"?

i'm surprised no one has thought of that yet with all the other crap they put on tv.




and don't tell me i dont know what level of thinking they do. i do more thinking than anybody i've ever met. i analyze everything and end up with counterpoints to counterpoints to hypothetical points i thought of.

sig'd

[UNLTrpt]

Originally Posted by demar727

i didnt want to learn cause of the fad a few years ago.. and well..i dont follow fads

Originally Posted by lockman21

I hate when people don't like something because it's popular.

what this guy said

[kittensXLI]

Originally Posted by K3nTaKa0s

Phil Hellmuth is more entertaining than NBA Basketball.

lol, okay, I wouldn't go that far.

[kittensXLI]

Originally Posted by sully51

I like watching it, but I'm starting to get annoyed with the "personalities" that are winning these days. Young losers who lived at home for years and played a shit ton of online poker. I'm glad your doing something you love and your successful but don't act like your cool as hell and don't act like a douche when you have a good hand.

Originally Posted by crashintonickdm

id rather watch an NFL films segment or something.

[dre2142]

No more retorts spoot?

[Hudak-Budak]

Originally Posted by dre2142

No more retorts spoot?

He's thinking.

[pathetic]

i dont think poker, racing, scrabble, spelling, or anything non-athletic should be on ESPN...

im not upset that these shows are on ESPN and i play poker, but i dont think they should be on a sports channel

[william.hosking]

Originally Posted by pathetic

i dont think poker, racing, scrabble, spelling, or anything non-athletic should be on ESPN...

im not upset that these shows are on ESPN and i play poker, but i dont think they should be on a sports channel

I actually really love watching poker on ESPN. I enjoy watching how different players play different hands. Although sometimes it's difficult because a player might be playing a certain hand a certain way due to how the table has been over the past few hours, or something like that that an hour show can't really cover.

Honestly, I think poker is one of the FEW things that ESPN hasn't completely destroyed in the past 5-6 years.