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Originally Posted by rconverse
Okay. I get that, I really do. Let's say a family of four can save $45/month with a reduced tax rate that is now being absorbed by the upper class. (so high income taxes increase and middle income taxes decrease.). That family will enjoy an extra $540/year. Do you think that will really make a difference?
Next, a "rich" person can make the money up that much faster. So, you take some from the rich and give to the poor (for lack of more eloquent expression). What happens when that rich person creates the same or larger gap in income? Is the thought that, and this is a serious question, that taxes are consistently reset to accomodate this? If you start with 2k and I start with 200k, and we both get 20% back, I am always, always, always going to have more than you. I think that's where I get "lost" in the "liberal agenda". And, I don't mean that rudely at all. I just don't see the end game or finish line. As a conservative, I feel like I see the end game clearly... Be responsible for yourself about 99.99% of the time. To me, it's as simple as resetting expectations of our society (specifically raising them, whereas I see the liberal viewpoint as decreasing them).
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Again, there's a few different points that this touches on, which I think is why it's so hard for any remotely reasonable compromise to even be approached, let alone made. There's so many angles to look at, there will also be a group who disagrees with at least 1.
But anyway, it's sort of the principal of things (which is obviously already where our ideologies will differ most likely). I don't think this idea of rich people are evil, raise their taxes, yada yada yada would be nearly as much of a thing if the economy was good or even fine. What's happened, though, is during a time of shittiness, more and more things keep popping up to make it very apparent our financial system kowtows to a relatively very small group of people, not to mention the al ighty ollar. OWS would not have ever existed if WS didn't make dumb bets, fuck the economy, get bailed out and give people record bonuses year after year. That's why there's issues; the seemingly free reign these people get. And sure there's exception, but like the Indian guy and Madoff, it's usually not until the crime has hit the hundreds of millions, if not billions.
It's not anything, again for sane people, against capitalism or making money, it's about the obvious fixed system working against the majority of americans. The tax system is just an obvious target. I really think it's less about stealing from the rich and giving to the poor and more about either 'give us the free passes those guys get' or 'they fucked this up and/or benefitted from it, make them fix it.' And if even the idea of wiping out a bunch of debt, or getting our credit rating back up, or whatever would be beneficial since most shit is all speculation anyway, raised taxes might be an easy solution, at least short-term.