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Old 09-21-2012, 09:16 AM   #29881
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I totally agree with you that Obama's foreign policy has been one of the biggest disappointments - I personally didn't think he was going to follow Dubya's foreign policy.
Obama is disappointing from a liberal perspective, but SOME of that is related to having a Republican congress. But god knows that the most disappointing Obama is still going to be a lot more liberal than any Republican candidate.
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Obama is disappointing from a liberal perspective, but SOME of that is related to having a Republican congress. But god knows that the most disappointing Obama is still going to be a lot more liberal than any Republican candidate.
A. I need to remember to find your other user name

B. Please don't play the 'Republican congress' garbage. Obama had a majority for 2 years and got everything he wanted. It is not factual, and plain ole silly
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Old 09-21-2012, 09:32 AM   #29883
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A. I need to remember to find your other user name

B. Please don't play the 'Republican congress' garbage. Obama had a majority for 2 years and got everything he wanted. It is not factual, and plain ole silly
A. Why would I have another user name?

B. For those two years he still had to deal with a filibuster, and as you said, even when he had a majority that was 2 years. Not four years. Some of it was his fault, some of it was not. "It's not so black and white" as some guy you supposedly like sings.
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Loving the New American Flag! http://www.google.com/imgres?q=the+o...42&tx=49&ty=53

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i have no problems with the "new flag".

that pic is mad creepy though. jesus.
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Yes, Obama wants to replace the official flag of the USA with the Obama flag, he's not just selling some shit to raise a few bucks. Mystery solved.
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Old 09-21-2012, 11:31 AM   #29887
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Hey Betsy Ross, you didn't make that flag!









See, its funny also because Ross really didnt design the 1st flag
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Old 09-21-2012, 12:41 PM   #29888
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A. Why would I have another user name?

B. For those two years he still had to deal with a filibuster, and as you said, even when he had a majority that was 2 years. Not four years. Some of it was his fault, some of it was not. "It's not so black and white" as some guy you supposedly like sings.
Still waiting for an answer to A? Is your logic that all liberals have another user name?
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B. Please don't play the 'Republican congress' garbage. Obama had a majority for 2 years and got everything he wanted. It is not factual, and plain ole silly
This argument holds zero water. As has been stated several times in these forums, even with a simple Democratic majority in the Senate, Republicans had the filibuster threat at their disposal, which required a super-majority to break.


...a Senate rule requires a supermajority of three fifths to move to a vote through a cloture motion, which closes debate on a bill or nomination, thus ending a filibuster by a minority of members. In current practice, the mere threat of a filibuster prevents passing almost any measure that has less than three-fifths agreement in the Senate, 60 of the 100 senators if every seat is filled and voting.
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I still haven't heard what super awesome free market economic policy would have been passed in the past four years if not for those dastardly Republicans.

This is the problem with progressive thinking. They honestly believe the more the government does the better off society will be, when all of the evidence is in the other direction.

The less Congress is doing, the better. Really the only legitimate criticism of the GOP House is that they haven't much of anything to cut spending or free up the economic system for growth.
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I still haven't heard what super awesome free market economic policy would have been passed in the past four years if not for those dastardly Republicans.

This is the problem with progressive thinking. They honestly believe the more the government does the better off society will be, when all of the evidence is in the other direction.

The less Congress is doing, the better. Really the only legitimate criticism of the GOP House is that they haven't much of anything to cut spending or free up the economic system for growth.
Or that when a Republican is President spending increases...
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Old 09-22-2012, 02:39 AM   #29892
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I think the republicans in congress allowing the American Jobs Act would have been a huge boon to the unemployment numbers and economy. For those looking for a plan from Obama/dems, that's just one example.

And even in those 2 years with house/senate control, dems didn't have a filibuster proof majority and the repubs were being intransigent. So the dems majority was crippled by a repub side that was unwilling to compromise the majority of time. Blaming things on the republicans in congress is not a garbage argument at all...it's the truth. It's a testament how the filibuster is not fit for today's governing, and how the system of legislating needs to me updated to account for this polarized congress.
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I think the republicans in congress allowing the American Jobs Act would have been a huge boon to the unemployment numbers and economy. For those looking for a plan from Obama/dems, that's just one example.

And even in those 2 years with house/senate control, dems didn't have a filibuster proof majority and the repubs were being intransigent. So the dems majority was crippled by a repub side that was unwilling to compromise the majority of time. Blaming things on the republicans in congress is not a garbage argument at all...it's the truth. It's a testament how the filibuster is not fit for today's governing, and how the system of legislating needs to me updated to account for this polarized congress.
The Daily Show did a story the other night about a jobs bill for returning veterans that got 58 yeas and 40 nays and therefore was defeated because it didn't reach the magic 60. The argument against it was that the Repubs didn't like how the bill paid for itself. The lols came when the Daily Show pointed out that congress approved the wars that made these men veterans without paying for the wars.
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I still haven't heard what super awesome free market economic policy would have been passed in the past four years if not for those dastardly Republicans.
Well... right. We don't believe in completely free markets.

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This is the problem with progressive thinking. They honestly believe the more the government does the better off society will be, when all of the evidence is in the other direction.
Sure it is.

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The less Congress is doing, the better. Really the only legitimate criticism of the GOP House is that they haven't much of anything to cut spending or free up the economic system for growth.
What exactly have they done?
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Re: ** Official Strongly Condemning Prez BHO, Nobel Peace Prize Winner (2009), Thread

newly elected house hasn't done anything, except block progress and compromise.
they are hurting. not helping.


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newly elected house hasn't done anything, except block progress and compromise.
they are hurting. not helping.


waits for shotty to say that them blocking everything and hindering progress is helping.
Well I can relate to where Shotty is coming from. Even if Obama did nothing, I would still be happy that he was blocking conservative legislation insofar as he was, and not promoting their agenda.
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i understand his viewpoint. i can't relate to him.

p.s. - panthers looked good on thursday night

p.s.s. - just kidding shotty!
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Well I can relate to where Shotty is coming from. Even if Obama did nothing, I would still be happy that he was blocking conservative legislation insofar as he was, and not promoting their agenda.
Yep. I feel the same way as Shotty. The last thing we need is a population dependent on the government, which really means taking from those with more until everyone is miserable. Why people like that line of thinking? Still haven't figured it out.

Morning, Adam. Who does Minni got today?
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Obama is disappointing from a liberal perspective, but SOME of that is related to having a Republican congress. But god knows that the most disappointing Obama is still going to be a lot more liberal than any Republican candidate.
Do you give Bush a pass on the years he had a Dem controlled congress?
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This argument holds zero water. As has been stated several times in these forums, even with a simple Democratic majority in the Senate, Republicans had the filibuster threat at their disposal, which required a super-majority to break.


...a Senate rule requires a supermajority of three fifths to move to a vote through a cloture motion, which closes debate on a bill or nomination, thus ending a filibuster by a minority of members. In current practice, the mere threat of a filibuster prevents passing almost any measure that has less than three-fifths agreement in the Senate, 60 of the 100 senators if every seat is filled and voting.


then how do you explain Obama care, which went thru with less than 60 votes?

Oh yea, they can force thru anything they want... forgot about that.



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Democrats forget that democrats had to be paid off And arms twisted by Rahm to vote for Obamacare.
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Old 09-22-2012, 12:57 PM   #29902
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Yep. I feel the same way as Shotty. The last thing we need is a population dependent on the government, which really means taking from those with more until everyone is miserable. Why people like that line of thinking? Still haven't figured it out.

Morning, Adam. Who does Minni got today?
You voice your displeasure, similar to every by-the-book conservative brown noser, by referencing the worst case scenario for which you are against.

Do you live your life with such polarity and inability to cognate a scenario that isn't force-fed to you by your favorite radio-talk show host?

In reference to the above that you stated - is there never a case where hard working citizens have simply hit a hard road and can't seem to find a door to put their foot in?

Do you always think everything is as black and white as - you are either mooching - or you aren't?
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Yep. I feel the same way as Shotty. The last thing we need is a population dependent on the government, which really means taking from those with more until everyone is miserable. Why people like that line of thinking? Still haven't figured it out.

Morning, Adam. Who does Minni got today?
Actually I don't *want* people dependent on government either, but it's a necessary role of government until the capitalist structure can support everyone, if that ever were to happen. It probably won't.
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Do you give Bush a pass on the years he had a Dem controlled congress?
I would say that to the extent he couldn't push through his evil conservative republican agenda, that would be why. I'm not sure what giving him a pass would mean? ;)
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then how do you explain Obama care, which went thru with less than 60 votes?

Oh yea, they can force thru anything they want... forgot about that.



nice try
If your theory were true Obamacare would have been much stronger.
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Democrats forget that democrats had to be paid off And arms twisted by Rahm to vote for Obamacare.
Some did. Doesn't at all imply the legislation was bad. Same thing was true about the Civil Rights Act under Johnson.
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they are hurting. not helping.


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Well yeah. The less Congress does, the better.

I think we have fundamentally different ideas as what constitutes "progress".

Hey, at least my team isn't the Vikings.
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then how do you explain Obama care, which went thru with less than 60 votes?

Oh yea, they can force thru anything they want... forgot about that.



nice try
They did it through reconciliation. Try google.
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Serious question for lefties or left leaning folks:

When taxes increase for the wealthy and they are paying their fair share and not one thing in this country changes, what will be your running platform? What will your next "solution" be? Unemployment has become a lost cause with the left. The stimulus was a complete failure and the only idea on the table is higher taxes. I just don't see how anyone can envision real solutions to these problems with this admin.
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You voice your displeasure, similar to every by-the-book conservative brown noser, by referencing the worst case scenario for which you are against.

Do you live your life with such polarity and inability to cognate a scenario that isn't force-fed to you by your favorite radio-talk show host?

In reference to the above that you stated - is there never a case where hard working citizens have simply hit a hard road and can't seem to find a door to put their foot in?

Do you always think everything is as black and white as - you are either mooching - or you aren't?
There are already plenty of gov assistance that people take advantage of, we don't need more.

Never did I say we don't need any government, just less. Never did I say people may not need help sometimes, like unemployment.

Either reply to my posts like an adult, which means replying to what I actually write, or don't bother replying. I have more mentally stimulating things to do than reply to your posts, like rearranging my white sock drawer.
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