How good is Kobe historically

1eyed_jack · 01-13-2009, 09:16 PM

My friends and I had this discussion the other day. We all know Kobe is a great player, but where do you rank him historically? Where he is right now, not "if" this or "if" that. Right now how will his legacy be?

here are some notes on his career.

07-08 NBA MVP

For his career he is averaging 25 ppg, 4.6 assists, 5.3 rebounds and 1.5 steals.

in 05-06 averaged 35.4 ppg. last person to average over 35 was MJ in 86-87 and only MJ, Wilt and Rick Barry have averaged that many.

currently ranks 21st in all-time scoring

scored 81 points in a game, second only to wilt's 100.

has dropped over 50 17 times and topped 60 4 times

10-time all-star, 2-time all-star MVP

All-NBA first team 6 times

All-NBA defensive 1st team 6 times

kittensXLI · 01-13-2009, 09:18 PM

**add

3 time NBA Champion

appeared in the NBA Finals 5 times

rconverse · 01-13-2009, 09:22 PM

Needs to win without Shaq to reall be elite. I'd still say top 10 without though.

smeritt · 01-13-2009, 09:22 PM

How could he not be in the top 100?

rconverse · 01-13-2009, 09:23 PM

Who the fuck is being a douche and voted not in the top 100? Srsly, that's ridiculous.

1eyed_jack · 01-13-2009, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kittensXLI

**add

3 time NBA Champion

appeared in the NBA Finals 5 times

yeah i just remembered i didn't put that in

oops

devilandthelord · 01-13-2009, 09:25 PM

Top 20 players of all time.
Higher if he can get another title without Shaq. But that won't happen because the Cavs are taking over.

BotheDMBFan · 01-13-2009, 09:31 PM

I have him top 5, because I assume he will win another one without Shaq.

kittensXLI · 01-13-2009, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by devilandthelord

Top 20 players of all time.
Higher if he can get another title without Shaq. But that won't happen because the Cavs are taking over.

rickyh24 · 01-13-2009, 09:37 PM

Top 10 easily.

kittensXLI · 01-13-2009, 09:37 PM

spinoff time

rickyh24 · 01-13-2009, 09:39 PM

1. Larry Bird
2. Kevin Mchale
3. Paul Pierce
4. Kevin Garnett
5. Bill Russell
7. Kobe Bryant
8. Dino Radja
9. Ray Allen
10. Dennis Johnson

there..

malarks26 · 01-13-2009, 09:40 PM

Top 10, no higher.

devilandthelord · 01-13-2009, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickyh24

1. Larry Bird
2. Kevin Mchale
3. Paul Pierce
4. Kevin Garnett
5. Bill Russell
7. Kobe Bryant
8. Dino Radja
9. Ray Allen
10. Dennis Johnson

there..

nice!

Oh and, you're a ridiculous person.

cpxc. · 01-13-2009, 09:52 PM

top 22

rickyh24 · 01-13-2009, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by devilandthelord

nice!

Oh and, you're a ridiculous person.

kittensXLI · 01-13-2009, 10:06 PM

top 15 easily; probably top 10 too.

jimibadfish · 01-14-2009, 09:52 AM

Probably top 15. Too many guys go ahead of him. Not quite top ten. If/when he breaks into the top 10 on the all-time scoring list (seeing as how offensively that's what he does,) I could consider him top ten because of his defense. Also, it would help if he didn't need two 7 footers or one Shaq to win a title.

jimibadfish · 01-14-2009, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1eyed_jack

My friends and I had this discussion the other day. We all know Kobe is a great player, but where do you rank him historically? Where he is right now, not "if" this or "if" that. Right now how will his legacy be?

here are some notes on his career.

07-08 NBA MVP

For his career he is averaging 25 ppg, 4.6 assists, 5.3 rebounds and 1.5 steals.

in 05-06 averaged 35.4 ppg. last person to average over 35 was MJ in 86-87 and only MJ, Wilt and Rick Barry have averaged that many.

currently ranks 21st in all-time scoring

scored 81 points in a game, second only to wilt's 100.

has dropped over 50 17 times and topped 60 4 times

10-time all-star, 2-time all-star MVP

All-NBA first team 6 times

All-NBA defensive 1st team 6 times

You gonna vote or what?

Bafugama · 01-14-2009, 10:00 AM

I voted top 25, just because there isn't a top 15 option. He's incredible, and he's very historically relevant, but I don't know if he's slipped into the top 10 yet. He's still relatively young though, and given another 5-7 years of close to what hes doing now he'll go down as a top 5 player of all time. Especially if he can win another championship. If he can win 2 or 3 more championships and continues on with what he's doing now he'll be up there in the same discussion with MJ, Magic, Wilt & Russell.

pathetic · 01-14-2009, 10:39 AM

easily top 10, maybe top 5.

william.hosking · 01-14-2009, 10:42 AM

As of 1/14/09, he's Top 10 All-Time

Nick@Night · 01-14-2009, 01:06 PM

And to think all it took the Lakers to get him was Vlade Divac.

Lee3691 · 01-14-2009, 01:15 PM

Disclosure: Laker Fan

Right now, Top 20, wins a title as the main guy would bump him up to the 2nd best shooting guard in NBA History

Top Centers (in order) Russell, Chamberlain, Kareem, Shaq, Olajuwon, Moses Malone

Top PFs Duncan, Malone, Barkley

Top SFs Bird (even though he was really a power forward), Dr J, Baylor, LeBron

Top SGs Jordan, West, Kobe, Drexler, Havelceck

Top PGs Magic, Oscar, Isiah, Stockton, Cousy

dsmith45 · 01-14-2009, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickyh24

1. Larry Bird
2. Kevin Mchale
3. Paul Pierce
4. Kevin Garnett
5. Bill Russell
7. Kobe Bryant
8. Dino Radja
9. Ray Allen
10. Dennis Johnson

there..

first off, there's no #6...

second, there's no michael jordan...

neumdogg · 01-14-2009, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickyh24

1. Larry Bird
2. Kevin Mchale
3. Paul Pierce
4. Kevin Garnett
5. Bill Russell
7. Kobe Bryant
8. Dino Radja
9. Ray Allen
10. Dennis Johnson

there..

And I just puked in my mouth.

This top 10 is better than your top 10:

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Magic Johnson
3. Kareem
4. Jerry West
5. Wilt Chamberlain
6. Eldin Campbell
7. Nick Van Exel
8. Rick Fox
9. Glen Rice
10. Kwame Brown

neumdogg · 01-14-2009, 01:30 PM

Actually, I voted top 5 because I'm a Lakers fan, but honestly, I'd say top 10.

kittensXLI · 01-14-2009, 01:45 PM

Rick Fox ftw.

Nick@Night · 01-14-2009, 01:46 PM

The fact he tried to be a rapper and came out with a song called "Thug Poet", he should be penalized.

swordo84 · 01-14-2009, 02:06 PM

He'll be top 5 by the time he retires.

--Colin

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01-13-2009, 09:16 PM	#1
1eyed_jack since 1984 Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 14,490	How good is Kobe historically My friends and I had this discussion the other day. We all know Kobe is a great player, but where do you rank him historically? Where he is right now, not "if" this or "if" that. Right now how will his legacy be? here are some notes on his career. 07-08 NBA MVP For his career he is averaging 25 ppg, 4.6 assists, 5.3 rebounds and 1.5 steals. in 05-06 averaged 35.4 ppg. last person to average over 35 was MJ in 86-87 and only MJ, Wilt and Rick Barry have averaged that many. currently ranks 21st in all-time scoring scored 81 points in a game, second only to wilt's 100. has dropped over 50 17 times and topped 60 4 times 10-time all-star, 2-time all-star MVP All-NBA first team 6 times All-NBA defensive 1st team 6 times

01-13-2009, 09:22 PM	#4
smeritt Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,784	Re: How good is Kobe historically How could he not be in the top 100? __________________ Would you not like to be, sittin' on top of the world with your legs hangin' free >:\| NYY University of Arizona

01-13-2009, 09:25 PM	#7
devilandthelord WFT Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Chicago, Illinois Posts: 25,664	Re: How good is Kobe historically Top 20 players of all time. Higher if he can get another title without Shaq. But that won't happen because the Cavs are taking over. __________________ I was on Deadspin.com! Thanks to Royce for making me aware. Check the link, lulz to follow: http://deadspin.com/5236275/the-one-...rachel-nichols

01-13-2009, 09:37 PM	#10
rickyh24 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 105,605	Re: How good is Kobe historically Top 10 easily.

01-13-2009, 09:39 PM	#12
rickyh24 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 105,605	Re: How good is Kobe historically 1. Larry Bird 2. Kevin Mchale 3. Paul Pierce 4. Kevin Garnett 5. Bill Russell 7. Kobe Bryant 8. Dino Radja 9. Ray Allen 10. Dennis Johnson there..

01-13-2009, 09:40 PM	#13
malarks26 Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New York Posts: 7,774	Re: How good is Kobe historically Top 10, no higher. __________________ -=Rob=- "I'd Dance a Thousand Steps for You" *Super Bowl XLII Champs!!!*

01-13-2009, 09:52 PM	#15
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01-14-2009, 09:52 AM	#18
jimibadfish Tiger Owes You Nothing Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bluesyburg, Mississippi Posts: 15,373	Re: How good is Kobe historically Probably top 15. Too many guys go ahead of him. Not quite top ten. If/when he breaks into the top 10 on the all-time scoring list (seeing as how offensively that's what he does,) I could consider him top ten because of his defense. Also, it would help if he didn't need two 7 footers or one Shaq to win a title.

01-14-2009, 10:39 AM	#21
pathetic Tuukka Time!! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: East Coast Bias! Posts: 69,043	Re: How good is Kobe historically easily top 10, maybe top 5.

01-14-2009, 10:42 AM	#22
william.hosking Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Westland, MI Posts: 13,572	Re: How good is Kobe historically As of 1/14/09, he's Top 10 All-Time __________________ -Joe Twitter Facebook

01-14-2009, 01:06 PM	#23
Nick@Night sponge-worthy Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 32,221	Re: How good is Kobe historically And to think all it took the Lakers to get him was Vlade Divac. __________________ Twitter Facebook *Sometimes the road less traveled is less traveled for a reason.*

01-14-2009, 01:15 PM	#24
Lee3691 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Texas...just met Ike Posts: 15,756	Re: How good is Kobe historically Disclosure: Laker Fan Right now, Top 20, wins a title as the main guy would bump him up to the 2nd best shooting guard in NBA History Top Centers (in order) Russell, Chamberlain, Kareem, Shaq, Olajuwon, Moses Malone Top PFs Duncan, Malone, Barkley Top SFs Bird (even though he was really a power forward), Dr J, Baylor, LeBron Top SGs Jordan, West, Kobe, Drexler, Havelceck Top PGs Magic, Oscar, Isiah, Stockton, Cousy

01-14-2009, 01:30 PM	#27
neumdogg Helloooooooooo Neumdogg Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 19,587	Re: How good is Kobe historically Actually, I voted top 5 because I'm a Lakers fan, but honestly, I'd say top 10. __________________ SEASON PASSES: Simpsons, Family Guy, Cleveland Show, Curb, Revolution, South Park, Office, Breaking Bad, The Americans, Community, 30 Rock, Top Chef, Real World/Road Rules Challange, Two Broke Girls, Apprentice, New Normal, Mad Men, Happy Endings, Modern Family, Walking Dead, Beyond Scared Straight, The Taste, Suburgatory, The Following

01-14-2009, 01:46 PM	#29
Nick@Night sponge-worthy Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 32,221	Re: How good is Kobe historically The fact he tried to be a rapper and came out with a song called "Thug Poet", he should be penalized. __________________ Twitter Facebook *Sometimes the road less traveled is less traveled for a reason.*

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