Could it be a "concept" album?

jkrue22 · 02-12-2009, 03:12 PM

There are lots of factors that lead to this possible conclusion:

- Tim just described the album as "expansive" and likened it to Sgt Pepper
- Cavallo has produced several concept albums, including American Idiot and The Black Parade
- "All new music" that could conceivably have a unifying theme (Roi, death, etc)
- Talk of "reinventing" the band and going back to BTCS-style music (the closest DMB has come to a concept album in the past)
- Dave grew an impressive moustache, clearly embracing his inner Sgt Pepper

I'm a sucker for concept albums (Thick as a Brick and Dark Side of the Moon come to mind), so maybe this is just wishful thinking, but I really feel like DMB is at a point in their career where this would be a logical step. Thoughts?

thestand · 02-12-2009, 03:16 PM

Here's the thing, though. People get concept album and rock operas mixed up all the time. American Idiot and The Black Parade are rock operas all the way. Now, rock operas are concept albums, yes. But concept albums aren't always rock operas. BTCS is closer to a concept album than a lot of people think. I think the album will have a very real and natural flow to it, and feel like a cohesive unit. And if that's the case, than yes, it could be called a concept album.

deshong1485 · 02-12-2009, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jkrue22

There are lots of factors that lead to this possible conclusion:

- Tim just described the album as "expansive" and likened it to Sgt Pepper
- Cavallo has produced several concept albums, including American Idiot and The Black Parade
- "All new music" that could conceivably have a unifying theme (Roi, death, etc)
- Talk of "reinventing" the band and going back to BTCS-style music (the closest DMB has come to a concept album in the past)
- Dave grew an impressive moustache, clearly embracing his inner Sgt Pepper

I'm a sucker for concept albums (Thick as a Brick and Dark Side of the Moon come to mind), so maybe this is just wishful thinking, but I really feel like DMB is at a point in their career where this would be a logical step. Thoughts?

jkrue22 · 02-12-2009, 03:23 PM

True, there are varying definitions of concept album. Of course, rock operas are one form of concept album. It's almost like the whole jam band question (let's not get into that here). But the fact remains, I could see the band embracing their creativity a lot more for this album and writing around a cohesive, unifying theme as opposed to just a collection of songs.

Ryan R · 02-12-2009, 03:27 PM

decent post, but not going to be a concept album. dont look too much into it.

AlexK79 · 02-12-2009, 03:35 PM

A rock opera is a concept album that actually tells a running story, or at least attempts to. Think "Tommy", "Quadropehia", "American Idiot".

A concept album is an album that revolved around a central theme or idea, but the songs themselves don't necessarily tell a cohesive story. Think "Sgt. Pepper", "Dark Side of The Moon".

So I certainly can't see them doing a rock opera, but a concept album is a definite possibility. BTCS was pretty close in itself.

dsmith45 · 02-12-2009, 05:25 PM

i'll concept your album

bannar7 · 02-12-2009, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dsmith45

i'll concept your album

Panther41 · 02-12-2009, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jkrue22

There are lots of factors that lead to this possible conclusion:

- Tim just described the album as "expansive" and likened it to Sgt Pepper
- Cavallo has produced several concept albums, including American Idiot and The Black Parade
- "All new music" that could conceivably have a unifying theme (Roi, death, etc)
- Talk of "reinventing" the band and going back to BTCS-style music (the closest DMB has come to a concept album in the past)
- Dave grew an impressive moustache, clearly embracing his inner Sgt Pepper

I'm a sucker for concept albums (Thick as a Brick and Dark Side of the Moon come to mind), so maybe this is just wishful thinking, but I really feel like DMB is at a point in their career where this would be a logical step. Thoughts?

I think there's a better-than-average chance it will be, actually. At the very least, I have a pretty good feeling it will be a unified album, one pervading theme carried throughout. Cavallo is all about making epic recordings.

Swizz2007 · 02-12-2009, 06:32 PM

Could it be? Yes.

Will it be? I doubt it.

NextMovement41 · 02-12-2009, 07:40 PM

i hope it is in the manner of BTCS, potentially the reason i love it so much.

Kyvek · 02-12-2009, 08:21 PM

Dave has stressed before that they have never (including BTCS) made a concept album. Having said that (lol), maybe now is the time they tackle making one.

devil2hisknees · 02-12-2009, 08:24 PM

If you want to talk rock opera you have to mention THE WALL

**som3d3vil34** · 02-12-2009, 08:38 PM

I think the album is going to have a great flow to it, but its not going to be a concept. I really doubt it.

warehouse1421 · 04-02-2009, 05:58 PM

With Roi opening the album, It would be really hard to imagine Roi not closing the album. I mean, damn, this is Roi's album!

johnnyrevalator · 04-02-2009, 06:07 PM

what makes you guys say BTCS is a concept album? jw

warehouse1421 · 04-02-2009, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by devil2hisknees

If you want to talk rock opera you have to mention THE WALL

Speaking of The Wall. I'm going to throw this out there like meat between two dogs. You guys can speak what you want. But.....2 Disc Concept Album??? I was thinking of The Wall and The White Album analogy. Also ironic about Sgt Pepper, it took the Beatles 8 albums to make the best. Anyways, jab about that...

#40BigEyedFish · 04-03-2009, 04:28 PM

i d like it be if one alla BTCS with the interlude jams between songs......my fav not so well know beatles song is the st. pepper's reprise.....sooooo good ringo's drumming could be mistaken for the roots.....heres hopin

deadendstreet · 04-03-2009, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by thestand

Here's the thing, though. People get concept album and rock operas mixed up all the time. American Idiot and The Black Parade are rock operas all the way. Now, rock operas are concept albums, yes. But concept albums aren't always rock operas. BTCS is closer to a concept album than a lot of people think. I think the album will have a very real and natural flow to it, and feel like a cohesive unit. And if that's the case, than yes, it could be called a concept album.

I agree. Replace Stay with Help Myself and I think it would be a concept album

jspampin · 04-03-2009, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by thestand

Here's the thing, though. People get concept album and rock operas mixed up all the time. American Idiot and The Black Parade are rock operas all the way. Now, rock operas are concept albums, yes. But concept albums aren't always rock operas. BTCS is closer to a concept album than a lot of people think. I think the album will have a very real and natural flow to it, and feel like a cohesive unit. And if that's the case, than yes, it could be called a concept album.

I highly doubt this, but you are also using the term pretty loosely. This is really not Dave's style, it's more the fans wanting to make it so.

jspampin · 04-03-2009, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by deadendstreet

I agree. Replace Stay with Help Myself and I think it would be a concept album

Right, and Rapunzel fits right in there nicely as a concept.

02-12-2009, 03:12 PM	#1
jkrue22 What it means Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Goldsboro, NC Posts: 3,970	Could it be a "concept" album? There are lots of factors that lead to this possible conclusion: - Tim just described the album as "expansive" and likened it to Sgt Pepper - Cavallo has produced several concept albums, including American Idiot and The Black Parade - "All new music" that could conceivably have a unifying theme (Roi, death, etc) - Talk of "reinventing" the band and going back to BTCS-style music (the closest DMB has come to a concept album in the past) - Dave grew an impressive moustache, clearly embracing his inner Sgt Pepper I'm a sucker for concept albums (Thick as a Brick and Dark Side of the Moon come to mind), so maybe this is just wishful thinking, but I really feel like DMB is at a point in their career where this would be a logical step. Thoughts? __________________ 2012 Ants Fantasy Baseball H2H Keeper League and League #4 Champion

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thestand No Children Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lake George, NY Posts: 39,911	Re: Could it be a "concept" album? Here's the thing, though. People get concept album and rock operas mixed up all the time. American Idiot and The Black Parade are rock operas all the way. Now, rock operas are concept albums, yes. But concept albums aren't always rock operas. BTCS is closer to a concept album than a lot of people think. I think the album will have a very real and natural flow to it, and feel like a cohesive unit. And if that's the case, than yes, it could be called a concept album. __________________ -Brendan twitter I hope it stays dark forever I hope the worst isn't over And I hope you blink before I do And I hope I never get sober

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Ryan R Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: UMass - Amherst Posts: 2,707	Re: Could it be a "concept" album? decent post, but not going to be a concept album. dont look too much into it.

02-12-2009, 03:35 PM	#6
AlexK79 Let There Be Rock Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Zip City Posts: 7,163	Re: Could it be a "concept" album? A rock opera is a concept album that actually tells a running story, or at least attempts to. Think "Tommy", "Quadropehia", "American Idiot". A concept album is an album that revolved around a central theme or idea, but the songs themselves don't necessarily tell a cohesive story. Think "Sgt. Pepper", "Dark Side of The Moon". So I certainly can't see them doing a rock opera, but a concept album is a definite possibility. BTCS was pretty close in itself.

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dsmith45 #56 \| Roulette King Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: City of Denver Posts: 6,467	Re: Could it be a "concept" album? i'll concept your album __________________ sweet up & down

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jkrue22 What it means Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Goldsboro, NC Posts: 3,970	Re: Could it be a "concept" album? True, there are varying definitions of concept album. Of course, rock operas are one form of concept album. It's almost like the whole jam band question (let's not get into that here). But the fact remains, I could see the band embracing their creativity a lot more for this album and writing around a cohesive, unifying theme as opposed to just a collection of songs. __________________ 2012 Ants Fantasy Baseball H2H Keeper League and League #4 Champion

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Swizz2007 Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 7,307	Re: Could it be a "concept" album? Could it be? Yes. Will it be? I doubt it.

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NextMovement41 Turquoise Hexagon Sun Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 14,931	Re: Could it be a "concept" album? i hope it is in the manner of BTCS, potentially the reason i love it so much.

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Kyvek Join Date: May 2004 Location: UMass Lowell Posts: 1,708	Re: Could it be a "concept" album? Dave has stressed before that they have never (including BTCS) made a concept album. Having said that (lol), maybe now is the time they tackle making one. __________________ -Kevin ( Facebook )

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#40BigEyedFish Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: santa monica, ca Posts: 1,354	Re: Could it be a "concept" album? i d like it be if one alla BTCS with the interlude jams between songs......my fav not so well know beatles song is the st. pepper's reprise.....sooooo good ringo's drumming could be mistaken for the roots.....heres hopin __________________ when i was young i didn't think about it, but now i can't get it out of my mind

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