Spider-Man 4 Scrapped: Franchise Reboot 2012

[Speilmen230]

Thats like saying lets Re-boot The Bourne Series. Its just not necessary.

[AlpineValley804]

Originally Posted by Swizz2007

Why the fuck would you reboot something so recent?

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[luke7]

Originally Posted by rconverse

Spider Man just needs to go away.

That's why they have to do the reboot. Spider-Man 2 was great and then Spider-Man 3 ruined it. I'm a life long Spidey fan and that's the way I felt after the disappointment of the 3rd one.
If they handle the reboot correctly, with a younger Peter Parker, the character goes back to it's roots and I believe the franchise could have longer legs and sustained creativity.

[rconverse]

Originally Posted by luke7

That's why they have to do the reboot. Spider-Man 2 was great and then Spider-Man 3 ruined it. I'm a life long Spidey fan and that's the way I felt after the disappointment of the 3rd one.
If they handle the reboot correctly, with a younger Peter Parker, the character goes back to it's roots and I believe the franchise could have longer legs and sustained creativity.

I'm much more for this than continuing the suckfest that was 3. And, I'm not trying to be so hard on SM. 1 was okay. 2 was much better. Then 3 came around and it was just like whatevs, shut it down if this is how it's going to go.

[fridge112887]

Originally Posted by rconverse

Spider Man just needs to go away.

Agreed. Never was a fan, probably never will be. I just wish talks/work would begin on a new Superman (yes, I know that's DC, not Marvel).

[watchtower86]

Good. 3 was downright unawatchable. Unbearable. I think they should take some time off and get away from Spider-Man before a reboot.

And I hope Superman stays away for awhile, too.

[luke7]

The reboot also gives them a chance to explore Peter's relationship with and the eventual death of Gwen Stacy, a key story in the Spider-Man mythology, rather just jumping right into his commitment to Mary Jane Watson. Also, the whole Dr. Conners turning into The Lizard could be handled better. If any of you have read Ultimate Spider-Man that started in 2000 you would understand the possibilities of a reboot and why it would be a great thing if it's handled correctly.

[coldengrey12]

Originally Posted by Dancing Ants

Why reboot a franchise started 8 years ago?

I think the issue here is quality, not time.

You could make the same argument for Hulk — the Eric Bana one in 2003 sucked ginormous horse phallus, so Universal rebooted and made another one with Edward Norton five years later.

Since Spider-Man 3 also orally soothed the equine meat, I don't think a reboot — soon as it comes after two other successful installments — is the worst thing I've heard.

[water_into_wine]

Originally Posted by luke7

They say he and the cast are out, not on board for the reboot.

I understand that. I'm asking if Raimi is under contract and if that is why they can't just get rid of him instead of doing an entire reboot. I was excited for Malkovich as the Vulture.

[antsman41]

This is dumb, the series isnt even 10years old yet...

They might not have been perfect but wait for a while or something...

[water_into_wine]

Originally Posted by luke7

The reboot also gives them a chance to explore Peter's relationship with and the eventual death of Gwen Stacy, a key story in the Spider-Man mythology, rather just jumping right into his commitment to Mary Jane Watson. Also, the whole Dr. Conners turning into The Lizard could be handled better. If any of you have read Ultimate Spider-Man that started in 2000 you would understand the possibilities of a reboot and why it would be a great thing if it's handled correctly.

I think the only good movie would be one with Doctor Conners turning bad. Don't stretch it out like Raimi did.

The problem with this reboot is mainly the fact that they just did three full movies so recently. If it was just the one ten years ago it would have been ok. Now it will risk comparisons, and people picture Tobey Maguire as Spiderman. Hard to get past the wall of 3 movies.

[luke7]

Originally Posted by water_into_wine

I think the only good movie would be one with Doctor Conners turning bad. Don't stretch it out like Raimi did.

The problem with this reboot is mainly the fact that they just did three full movies so recently. If it was just the one ten years ago it would have been ok. Now it will risk comparisons, and people picture Tobey Maguire as Spiderman. Hard to get past the wall of 3 movies.

Tobey is 34, getting and looking too old. My buddy at work, a die hard comic fanboy, said Spider-Man 3 killed his interest in the series. Venom is his favorite character and one of Spider-Man's main villains. He feels that if they did such a terrible job butchering Spidey's best villain, then it could only go downhill from there. My cousin, not a big comic book or Spidey fan, thought Spider-Man 2 was great, after seeing the 3rd one he lost interest in the franchise and said they shouldn't make anymore. A lot of people I know felt that way about the current franchise after Spidey 3.

[Tomriddle]

Brian Michael Bendis needs to write this.

[rconverse]

Originally Posted by luke7

Tobey is 34, getting and looking too old. My buddy at work, a die hard comic fanboy, said Spider-Man 3 killed his interest in the series. Venom is his favorite character and one of Spider-Man's main villains. He feels that if they did such a terrible job butchering Spidey's best villain, then it could only go downhill from there. My cousin, not a big comic book or Spidey fan, thought Spider-Man 2 was great, after seeing the 3rd one he lost interest in the franchise and said they shouldn't make anymore. A lot of people I know felt that way about the current franchise after Spidey 3.

Really? You wouldn't have known that from SP3.

[luke7]

Originally Posted by rconverse

Really? You wouldn't have known that from SP3.

One of the reasons why Spider-Man 3 sucks.

[water_into_wine]

Originally Posted by luke7

Tobey is 34, getting and looking too old. My buddy at work, a die hard comic fanboy, said Spider-Man 3 killed his interest in the series. Venom is his favorite character and one of Spider-Man's main villains. He feels that if they did such a terrible job butchering Spidey's best villain, then it could only go downhill from there. My cousin, not a big comic book or Spidey fan, thought Spider-Man 2 was great, after seeing the 3rd one he lost interest in the franchise and said they shouldn't make anymore. A lot of people I know felt that way about the current franchise after Spidey 3.

None of this means it is a good idea to reboot. I'm not really supporting SM4, just thought it would have been a more logical than a reboot. Unless it is an amazing director I have no interest in seeing this. Unless the reviews are saying it is mindblowing.

[luke7]

Originally Posted by Tomriddle

Brian Michael Bendis needs to write this.

Finally, someone who is familiar with the Ultimate Universe. If they treated the reboot the same way and if and Bendis did write it, it could be great !
I didn't read the Ultimate stories until early 2009, I use to buy Spidey comics in high school in the early-mid 90's, the whole Clone Saga killed it for me. The whole time I'm reading Bendis' Ultimate Spider-Man I'm like, " Why couldn't the movies be like this ? This is much better. "

I started to buy and read the second volume of Bendis Ultimate Spider-Man relaunch but had to drop the $3.99 price after my cable/internet bill increased. I'll pick up the trade when it comes out.

[hmich176]

Originally Posted by coldengrey12

I think the issue here is quality, not time.

You could make the same argument for Hulk — the Eric Bana one in 2003 sucked ginormous horse phallus, so Universal rebooted and made another one with Edward Norton five years later.

Since Spider-Man 3 also orally soothed the equine meat, I don't think a reboot — soon as it comes after two other successful installments — is the worst thing I've heard.

See, I'd agree with your argument, except that it was such a successful series of films. The Spiderman trilogy really energized the comic book film genre. I really think if they're gonna do a reboot, they should perhaps give a little bit more time away from the series.

But, Sony needs something big to compete with the untitled Star Trek sequel (set to be released on June 29, 2012). Hence releasing a reboot in 2012.

[thehammer316]

Originally Posted by jackisback24

speaking of comic book departures, this guy is a tool. Left 2 comic book movies.

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/160...d-departs-thor-

What a douche?

Viggo as Aragorn
Viggo as Command Master Chief John James Brigail

[Tomriddle]

Originally Posted by luke7

Finally, someone who is familiar with the Ultimate Universe. If they treated the reboot the same way and if and Bendis did write it, it could be great !
I didn't read the Ultimate stories until early 2009, I use to buy Spidey comics in high school in the early-mid 90's, the whole Clone Saga killed it for me. The whole time I'm reading Bendis' Ultimate Spider-Man I'm like, " Why couldn't the movies be like this ? This is much better. "

I started to buy and read the second volume of Bendis Ultimate Spider-Man relaunch but had to drop the $3.99 price after my cable/internet bill increased. I'll pick up the trade when it comes out.

Bendis is the most "reliable when you need the job done write" guy Marvel has. And by far the most consistent, high-output writer, IMO. Though the best that I've read in a long, long time is the Whedon one on New X-Men. I don't know if you like X-Men, but if you do even a little, I definitely recommend reading that, its at Barnes and Noble last I checked.



Also, if you like Bendis, his run on Daredevil is also worthwhile.


And yeah, the Clone Saga sucked. A lot.

[Tomriddle]

Actually my first choice for the Spiderman film writer is Jenkins. He did great stuff on Peter Parker: Spiderman.

[luke7]

Originally Posted by Tomriddle

Bendis is the most "reliable when you need the job done write" guy Marvel has. And by far the most consistent, high-output writer, IMO. Though the best that I've read in a long, long time is the Whedon one on New X-Men. I don't know if you like X-Men, but if you do even a little, I definitely recommend reading that, its at Barnes and Noble last I checked.



Also, if you like Bendis, his run on Daredevil is also worthwhile.


And yeah, the Clone Saga sucked. A lot.

Thanks. I have never been a huge X-Men fan or fan of teams. My favs growing up were Spidey and The Punisher. In high school I bought Spawn and The Maxx during the early days of Image Comics.
The library system here is Columbus is great. I'll have to check the books you recommended out. I recently read a little bit of Powers by Bendis and I have to finish Brian K. Vaughan's Y: The Last Man.

[Elliott Evans]

The films suck. Or rather, Tobey does.

[Elliott Evans]

Originally Posted by Speilmen230

The Bourne Series

These films are so much fluff I can't remember what happens in any of them. Aside from a couple roles, Damon is a terribly wooden actor.

[BotheDMBFan]

Originally Posted by gonz085

why would they even do a Spider-Man 4? that's the most fucking retarded thing I've ever heard.

Oh yeah! Cuz 3 was so awesome!

2 was one of the best movies ever, and 3 is one of the highest grossing films of all time. That's why. Idiot.

Raimi leaving was a surprise, and a bad one. Spiderman is dead.

[BotheDMBFan]

Originally Posted by water_into_wine

Spider-Man 3 was so bad because Raimi went from serious movies to a campy movie. He isn't that great of a writer. Good director, not writer. I hate the idea of a reboot. Why not just get rid of Raimi? Contract?

SP3 was not campy. It was him trying to do too much due to studio pressure. He wrote SP2 also.

[Beebz]

SPID3R MAN was fucking terrible. It needed one less villain, far less camp, and a much more dark theme than it had. Everything missed in that film.

SPIDER M4N would have been worse.

[Haiku Jimi]

Originally Posted by rconverse

Because SM-3 couldn't have been worse if you let a child write it.

This.

Tobey McGuire makes a horrible horrible horrible Peter Parker. Yes, he's supposed to be a "nerd" but he's supposed to be a sarcastic ass, always firing off one liners and sort of making light of any crap he gets into with the villains. Tobey made him an emo kid on barbiturates.

And the movies were just not good, at all.

[Beebz]

Originally Posted by Haiku Jimi

This.

Tobey McGuire makes a horrible horrible horrible Peter Parker. Yes, he's supposed to be a "nerd" but he's supposed to be a sarcastic ass, always firing off one liners and sort of making light of any crap he gets into with the villains. Tobey made him an emo kid on barbiturates.

And the movies were just not good, at all.

The second one was fantastic.

[Jake]

will they shoot 5piderman and Spiderm4n at the same time?

And will they create another trilogy with Spi6erman?