Spider-Man 4 Scrapped: Franchise Reboot 2012

[Joruus]

Originally Posted by water_into_wine

I understand that. I'm asking if Raimi is under contract and if that is why they can't just get rid of him instead of doing an entire reboot. I was excited for Malkovich as the Vulture.

Toby McGuire and Kirsten Dunst have repeatedly stated that they would not do another Spiderman without Sam Raimi. So Sam leavings means they leave too.

[Haiku Jimi]

Originally Posted by Joruus

Toby McGuire and Kirsten Dunst have repeatedly stated that they would not do another Spiderman without Sam Raimi. So Sam leavings means they leave too.

I have no problem with that.

[BotheDMBFan]

Originally Posted by bbianca1982

SPID3R MAN was fucking terrible. It needed one less villain, far less camp, and a much more dark theme than it had. Everything missed in that film.

SPIDER M4N would have been worse.

Raimi said it was going to be far more in line with #2 than #3. He admitted that he just tried to do too much with #3.

[Beebz]

Originally Posted by bothedmbfan

Raimi said it was going to be far more in line with #2 than #3. He admitted that he just tried to do too much with #3.

Yeah, maybe. But it looked like studio meddling got in the way with the third film and it was raging full-force with this one.

The third one should have just been Venom. And the casting director should have lost his or her job for choosing Topher Grace for the Eddie Brock role.

[BotheDMBFan]

Originally Posted by bbianca1982

Yeah, maybe. But it looked like studio meddling got in the way with the third film and it was raging full-force with this one.

The third one should have just been Venom. And the casting director should have lost his or her job for choosing Topher Grace for the Eddie Brock role.

He said that was definitely part of it, and for the 4th one, they kept telling Raimi no, because he wanted to have Bruce Campbell in a more substantial role. Amongst other things.

Agreed wholeheartedly, and while Raimi tried to make it work...when you have a movie with Venom in it, that is without doubt EXACTLY who and what you want as the main villain. I can't think off the top of my head who should have been Eddie Brock, but I know Grace was a poor decision.

[cruscott35]

Originally Posted by gonz085

i understand that. It's just a shame people will actually pay to see that shit. It really bothers me for some reason

And it bothers me that men over the age of 12 care about anything to do with comic books.

[antsman41]

Moviehole has details on both scripts.

Basically for SM4:
- Spider-man 4 DID feature Peter and Mary-Jane with a baby.
- Vulturess was added in the script, at the request of the studio.
- Vulturess was a retooled version of Black Cat.
- Vulture was the editor of the Daily Bugle.
- Script was apparently pure crap.
- Raimi had lost hope in the project and walked.
- The studio also wanted to add a third villain.
- Anne Hathaway was gone from the project late last year (my guess is when Sony turned the Black Cat into the Vulturess).

For the reboot:
- The script is much better than the script for Spider-man 4.
- The script IS complete, and was finished at the same time as SM4, allowing the studio to compare the two.
- The script was commissioned as a contingency plan, should Raimi walk.
- Unfortunately, they describe the script as "more Dark Knight than Spider-man".
- The new film is the first part in a new trilogy.
- The aim of the script is to cut the "fluff" - which they speculate means no humour and a serious tone.

http://www.moviehole.net/201022855-c...-spider-senses
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This whole situation seems like its out of an episode of Entourage...

[Beebz]

Originally Posted by cruscott35

And it bothers me that men over the age of 12 care about anything to do with comic books.

:: posts in comic book thread::

Originally Posted by bothedmbfan

He said that was definitely part of it, and for the 4th one, they kept telling Raimi no, because he wanted to have Bruce Campbell in a more substantial role. Amongst other things.

Agreed wholeheartedly, and while Raimi tried to make it work...when you have a movie with Venom in it, that is without doubt EXACTLY who and what you want as the main villain. I can't think off the top of my head who should have been Eddie Brock, but I know Grace was a poor decision.

They needed someone more edgy and gruff. Brock was never this smooth-talking, sarcastic playa they made him out to be in the film. He was a burly, angry photographer who HATED Spiderman. Someone like Sam Worthington or Ben Foster would have been great.

There were a lot of casting mistakes in the Spiderman movies in fact. James Franco, Dunst, even McGuire.

[antsman41]

The next Spider-Man film will be a reboot of the franchise, not a continuation of series Sam Raimi created back in 2002 — in a move similar to Batman Begins restarting the Batman franchise seven years after Batman and Robin underwhelmed fans and critics.

This time around, the series will place Peter Parker in a more contemporary setting, as a teenager battling today’s issues. The decision to go with an origin story stemmed from Sony developing two Spidey projects simultaneously. According to studio insiders, Sony was working on both Raimi’s Spider-Man 4 and the new origin story from James Vanderbilt, who wrote Zodiac. The original plan was to keep the Spider-Man gang together for one last film in 2011 before rebooting the series in 2012. When it became clear that Raimi would not be able to make the summer 2011 release date planned for Spider-Man 4, the studio opted to scrap Spider-Man 4 altogether, and focus solely on the series reboot.

Who will helm the new film is anyone’s guess but with the studio interested in a more gritty, contemporary redo of the series, they are certainly focused on younger directors making waves in Hollywood. One name that has popped up is Marc Webb, the man behind (500) Day of Summer. He was previously in discussions with the studio to take over Moneyball, but that job went to Bennett Miller. Michael Bay has also previously expressed interest in taking over the Spider-Man franchise and Seabiscuit director Gary Ross worked on one of the drafts of Spider-Man 4 and is said to be a huge fan of the comic book series.

http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2010/...er-man-reboot/

[cruscott35]

When someone decides to walk away from hundreds of millions of dollars, it peeks my interest.

[antsman41]

Originally Posted by bbianca1982

:: posts in comic book thread::.

Where is the comicbook thread here?

[Beebz]

Originally Posted by antsman41

Where is the comicbook thread here?

Well, its a movie based on a comic book, and there have been 3,000-word posts in here already about SM backstory and whatnot. I dont think its a stretch to think we're talking comics in here.

[antsman41]

Originally Posted by bbianca1982

Well, its a movie based on a comic book, and there have been 3,000-word posts in here already about SM backstory and whatnot. I dont think its a stretch to think we're talking comics in here.

ahh... ok, I was just hoping that we maybe had a "DC comics" only or "all comic books" threads...

[watchtower86]

Unfortunately more like Dark Knight? How is that unfortunate?

[Beebz]

Originally Posted by watchtower86

Unfortunately more like Dark Knight? How is that unfortunate?

Just that Spiderman isnt a dark, brooding superhero. Not everything has to be TDK to be a great comic book movie (see Iron Man, Spiderman 2).

[watchtower86]

Originally Posted by bbianca1982

Just that Spiderman isnt a dark, brooding superhero. Not everything has to be TDK to be a great comic book movie (see Iron Man, Spiderman 2).

No but I think it would be a better movie if it had more of a serious tone to it.

I didn't say it has to be TDK, but I just don't see how it could be a bad thing.

The Spider-Man movies have just never done anything for me because I can't take the characters very seriously.

I do think Iron Man combined the two types very well, though. It was a lot of fun without taking itself seriously, but the undercurrent of the weapons black market was good, realistic subject matter.

[comerelaxnow]

You guys are (as usual) way to negative. This remake could be awesome if done right.

[cwsrule88]

since ironman and batman begins and dark knight, i have no interest in spider man anymore

[sonofsuns34]

I am actually glad that we didnt see Anne Hathaway as "The Vultress"... nothing says sexy like a carcass eating vulture...
The suits at Sony should have given Raimi full control over this and stayed the hell away. (can you really see a movie where Felicia Hardy is not "Black Cat" but instead the Vultures sexy sidekick... wtf Sony)

[water_into_wine]

Originally Posted by sonofsuns34

I am actually glad that we didnt see Anne Hathaway as "The Vultress"... nothing says sexy like a carcass eating vulture...
The suits at Sony should have given Raimi full control over this and stayed the hell away. (can you really see a movie where Felicia Hardy is not "Black Cat" but instead the Vultures sexy sidekick... wtf Sony)

Sure worked last time.

[hoke2007]

After Spiderman 3, I'll have a hard time ever watching a spiderman movie again. That was an abortion of a movie that was so absolutely horrible I wouldn't want the inmates at Gitmo to watch it.

[laststraw41]

I haven't seen Spiderman 3, but based on what's being said in here about it, I'll avoid it.

I'm excited by the idea of a Dark Knight-esque reboot, it could be really good.

I'm not a Spiderman comic fan either, so I don't care if it goes against his character or whatever.

[manderso]

Tobey made me hate the franchise.

[Haiku Jimi]

Originally Posted by manderso

Tobey made me hate the franchise.

Same. I know I've already said it, but he totally did not match the image of Spiderman/Peter Parker that I had in my mind from reading comics/watching cartoons as a kid.

[Beebz]

Originally Posted by water_into_wine

Sure worked last time.

Raimi didn't have full control over spi3erman. That was the entire problem. Studio essentially made him shoehorn in venom.

[antsman41]

Doesn't have to be all dark/gruesome/downer of a film like the TDK, Sony just figures lets try to make a Iron Man/ Batman film where you can physically believe "Spider-Man" would happen in our world. Meaning live sets, and solid actors, great writing...

Spider-Man had a tv-atmosphere, where random dumb things could happen and very set driven directing, they did film some in NY for S1 and Vancouver for S2/S3 but nothing on scale of what Nolan has done in Begins/TDK with Chocago, Iceland, England...

Plus we need actors who you can care about, Tobey's Peter was just a dry as The Fantastic Four tools, most of the X-Men and Superman Returns...

I hold Spidey 1, 2 and 1/2 of 3 dearly but we do need something more in line with what Marvel is doing with IM, Thor, Cap. America and the Avengers. I just hope Sony sells back the rights or tries very fucking hard... Its just all to soon, Sony is really dumb if they try to rush rush rush now... The earlist this Reboot should start is 2015, after Nolan's Bat trilogy, Faverou's IM trilogy and once they population come to respect the other Marvel films from their own Marvel Movie Company...

[manderso]

They should get Vinny Chase to play Spiderman. Look how good he did with Aquaman!

[Beebz]

I don't think we need all these second-tier comic book movies like Thor and green lantern, and it annoys me to no end that studios can simply fuck up a franchise like fantastic four or daredevil or hulk and just "reboot" the thing three years later.

I will say this though: marvel is both smart and dumb not to rush this avengers movie. If Thor, iron man, captain America are hits, then you're going to have three tentpole franchises converging in one film with characters/actors that fans are fully invested in. That practically defines blockbuster.

He filp side is a little scarier. What if one of those films bombs before avengers? What if fans hate the actor playing one of the heroes? What if that actor refuses to reprise their role in the group movie after a falling out like Norton had over hulk? Or, what if the avengers is terrible and it derails three franchises in the process?

Marvel is playing a huge risk-reward game with this.

[DJGeneral]

From vampires to spiders, Robert Pattinson has been reported to be the top pick for Tobey Maguire’s replacement in Spider Man 4.

The next movie is said to focus on Peter Parker in high school and Robert Pattinson might be the one to do so, although he is busy away working on Bel Ami with Uma Thurman in February and will continue the sagas for Twilight.

The competition will be huge for this role and may also include Michael Cera and Chace Crawford.

Of moving on from the role, Maguire recently told press: “Beyond the films themselves, I have formed some deep and lasting friendships. I am excited to see the next chapter unfold in this incredible story.”




Oh man lol

[manderso]

Originally Posted by DJGeneral

From vampires to spiders, Robert Pattinson has been reported to be the top pick for Tobey Maguire’s replacement in Spider Man 4.

The next movie is said to focus on Peter Parker in high school and Robert Pattinson might be the one to do so, although he is busy away working on Bel Ami with Uma Thurman in February and will continue the sagas for Twilight.

The competition will be huge for this role and may also include Michael Cera and Chace Crawford.

Of moving on from the role, Maguire recently told press: “Beyond the films themselves, I have formed some deep and lasting friendships. I am excited to see the next chapter unfold in this incredible story.”

Every single word of this better be a lie.