Is there a bad version of....

[wtpio]

Two Step?
Sorry if this has been posted, but the band just nails it every time!!
in a couple words describe it live!!

Perfectly organized chaos??

[davem#36]

Not that its bad but the version on the best of what's around disc maybe the most over hyped version of the song.

[crashintonickdm]

No

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[dre2142]

nah. ........

[xnad]

Originally Posted by davem#36

Not that its bad but the version on the best of what's around disc maybe the most over hyped version of the song.

I have to respectfully disagree with you. If you were there, it was amazing.

[harribri]

Originally Posted by crashintonickdm

No

/thread

[spoot388]

Originally Posted by xnad

I have to respectfully disagree with you. If you were there, it was amazing.

being there had more to do with the atmosphere rather than the music itself. musically, that version is nothing special at all. what makes that version memorable is what was going on besides the music. take away the storm and you have a very average two step. im not taking away the enjoyment of being there, i'm sure it was awesome to witness, but that song was great because of the weather, not the music.

[xnad]

Originally Posted by spoot388

being there had more to do with the atmosphere rather than the music itself. musically, that version is nothing special at all. what makes that version memorable is what was going on besides the music. take away the storm and you have a very average two step. im not taking away the enjoyment of being there, i'm sure it was awesome to witness, but that song was great because of the weather, not the music.

I still dont agree. Yes, the atmosphere helped. I think that version was cut short becasue of the weather and it was more intense and ended quickly. I dont think it was bad at all. I wouldnt call any version of Two Step average, its a great song. In fact, I would never call anything this band does average. But thats just me.

[BigEyed_Fish54]

No, simple as that

[spoot388]

Originally Posted by xnad

I still dont agree. Yes, the atmosphere helped. I think that version was cut short becasue of the weather and it was more intense and ended quickly. I dont think it was bad at all. I wouldnt call any version of Two Step average, its a great song. In fact, I would never call anything this band does average. But thats just me.

then you're missing the whole point of the meaning of "average". for something to be great, there has to be something that isn't. dave himself says that in JTR. and not everything is great or bad, so the middle, or what is most likely to happen, is average.

LT14 is a great version of rapunzel because they do things better in that version than in most. the trainwreck is a bad version of rapunzel. everything else has to fall somewhere in between. "average" is what normally happens, referred to as "standard" around these parts.

two step in the rain is nothing special musically, especially compared to a two step like 6.27.08. while two step in general is a great song, relative to itself, giants stadium, minus the storm, was nothing to write home about.

[Quendi]

I would have to say that every time Timmy takes an electric lead, it's a bad version, in my opinion, and only my opinion! I just don't think the electric tones go well w/ the song.. His haunting, unforgettable acoustic notes throughout the Crash version will forever be embedded in my head.. Along with Boyd's plucking ;p

[thebridge15]

The shorter the Two Step, the better for me.

[cward]

Two Step is the one song that gets better every single time I see it.

[xnad]

Originally Posted by spoot388

then you're missing the whole point of the meaning of "average". for something to be great, there has to be something that isn't. dave himself says that in JTR. and not everything is great or bad, so the middle, or what is most likely to happen, is average.

LT14 is a great version of rapunzel because they do things better in that version than in most. the trainwreck is a bad version of rapunzel. everything else has to fall somewhere in between. "average" is what normally happens, referred to as "standard" around these parts.

two step in the rain is nothing special musically, especially compared to a two step like 6.27.08. while two step in general is a great song, relative to itself, giants stadium, minus the storm, was nothing to write home about.

I guess since I find everything this band does musically special, I am missing the point. I dont compare versions from other shows to one another. Thats just me. In my opinion, every time this band gets on stage its magic. And to me that IS something to write home about.

[ToySoldier#34]

7,426 best versions, no bad versions

[dre2142]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

7,426 best versions, no bad versions

you mean 872

[Jan-Willem]

Originally Posted by spoot388

being there had more to do with the atmosphere rather than the music itself. musically, that version is nothing special at all. what makes that version memorable is what was going on besides the music. take away the storm and you have a very average two step. im not taking away the enjoyment of being there, i'm sure it was awesome to witness, but that song was great because of the weather, not the music.

I actually love this version. The intro is awesome.

I think Two Step needs to be a bit shorter again. I liked it better with improvised lyrics in the intro and without a drum solo.

The LT17 version almost derails btw...

[WhoDidIt?]

Originally Posted by Jan-Willem

I actually love this version. The intro is awesome.

I think Two Step needs to be a bit shorter again. I liked it better with improvised lyrics in the intro and without a drum solo.

The LT17 version almost derails btw...

Blasphemy

[ToySoldier#34]

Originally Posted by dre2142

you mean 872

Potato potahto

[pathetic]

Mike Alvarez had a pretty bad version.

badass, that is

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[Jan-Willem]

Originally Posted by WhoDidIt?

Blasphemy

It's nice once, but it gets boring. Crater doesn't need a drum solo, he has a drum solo going on all night...

[sheldonlevene]

This is interesting. What great song has truly bad versions ou there. Probably last stop. Rapunzel too.

[Seek#41Up]

Originally Posted by spoot388

being there had more to do with the atmosphere rather than the music itself. musically, that version is nothing special at all. what makes that version memorable is what was going on besides the music. take away the storm and you have a very average two step. im not taking away the enjoyment of being there, i'm sure it was awesome to witness, but that song was great because of the weather, not the music.

The intro had a big part in it as well. As soon as Dave said "wash us all away" the sky opened up. The timing was ridiculous. And then the lightning that immediatly followed right after was almost in tune with Carter. The way the storm and parts of the song blended was incredible. The take away the storm arguements are pointless because if you took it away you would have had a full Two Step and not a shortened one.

[spoot388]

Originally Posted by Jan-Willem

I actually love this version. The intro is awesome.

I think Two Step needs to be a bit shorter again. I liked it better with improvised lyrics in the intro and without a drum solo.

The LT17 version almost derails btw...

no one will disagree about the intro, but i will agree with the drum solo part too. very rarely is carter's solo actually worth being played. most of the time he just mashes the snare and kick drum. once in a while he'll actually get a bit musical with it and use the rest of his kit. i'd rather him just not do it though. his best work comes during songs while everyone else is doing stuff, like the end of ants where he throws in crazy fills while boyd solos. he's doing similar stuff during typical this year too. that is when carter is at his best.

Originally Posted by Seek#41Up

The intro had a big part in it as well. As soon as Dave said "wash us all away" the sky opened up. The timing was ridiculous. And then the lightning that immediatly followed right after was almost in tune with Carter. The way the storm and parts of the song blended was incredible. The take away the storm arguements are pointless because if you took it away you would have had a full Two Step and not a shortened one.

so then you would have an average 2001 two step that nobody talks about, just like all the other two steps from 2001.

[xnad]

I think Two Step is a great song. Period. There are all different live versions, but its a great song. I dont take for granted any performance this band gives us. And the atmosphere at a show you attended adds to that performance.Thats what shows are all about. Listening to a taped show is different. Of course a show takes on more meaning if you have attended it. For me, its not about average or standard or mediocre or whatever people want to call a performance. Its about the overall experience and part of that is enjoying a show live in that moment. Nothing can compare to it.

[spoot388]

Originally Posted by xnad

I think Two Step is a great song. Period. There are all different live versions, but its a great song. I dont take for granted any performance this band gives us. And the atmosphere at a show you attended adds to that performance.Thats what shows are all about. Listening to a taped show is different. Of course a show takes on more meaning if you have attended it. For me, its not about average or standard or mediocre or whatever people want to call a performance. Its about the overall experience and part of that is enjoying a show live in that moment. Nothing can compare to it.

where it takes place doesn't make music sound better. its still the same notes. nickleback would still be bland and cheesy even if they played on the edge of the grand canyon. beiber could play on the moon and would still be awful. the music is still the same, no matter what is going on around it.

[xnad]

Originally Posted by spoot388

where it takes place doesn't make music sound better. its still the same notes. nickleback would still be bland and cheesy even if they played on the edge of the grand canyon. beiber could play on the moon and would still be awful. the music is still the same, no matter what is going on around it.

Seriously? Im done.

[SpecialAgent007]

Count me among the very few that isn't as big of a fan of Two Step as most. I think it's a great song, and I likely just bored of it after hearing it as a closer that went on for 20+ minutes with extended Butch solos at least a dozen times, but at this point, I feel like I'd be fine if it was a rarity pulled out and given a rock solid 10-12 minute treatment. I much prefer the 10-12 minute Two Steps. But again, Butch is likely to blame for much of my distaste.

[bubba40]

Originally Posted by crashintonickdm

No

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Exactly what I was going to say

[joshizzle3]

Two Step is a great song. If we start beating up on it, we are left with nothing. It's about the best thing this band does