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Old 05-13-2016, 12:16 PM   #391
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Re: Live Trax 37 - 11/11/92 - Trax

I thought 2 track just meant there was a right and left channel. I didn't think Dave's voice would even be separated from the band on these. I was under the impression that the DMBlive was essentially just mastered soundboard tapes. Interesting though if the voice is separate. I'm not arguing in the slightest just curious.
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    Re: Live Trax 37 - 11/11/92 - Trax

    Also, as a musician who dabbles in recording from time to time, I agree it's pretty amazing what they can do with DMBlive recordings. If you think that all the individual mics that are pointed at each drum, and then mix that with all the other instruments down to one single track... it's incredible it doesn't sound like gobbledly gook. But that's why the drums may sound hollow, or Boyd's voice may be loud and clear, or Roi's sax is a bit tinny and quiet. It was mixed for that particular venue on that particular night. Some places certain tones or levels need to be mixed differently than others. A Sax is generally pretty loud, so it didn't need to be turned up as much as the keyboard, which would have no sound with an amp and it's probably plugged straight into the soundboard so there's a direct signal.

    It probably sounded fantastic if you were there, but once it's all recorded, all those instruments are in permanent place. There's no individual level or fader to change them. They can mess with EQs more than a taper could, to bring out certain tones that may be missing, or blend in something that sticks why out, but that's really it. That's why an actual tape may indeed sound better than a soundboard pull. It just depends on the night and the venue. You'll get more true sounds from the soundboard, but you'll get a better overall mix from a quality tape who's mix was in the room that night capturing what ears heard. What would be perfect is a hybrid of both. I think DMBlive has done that on a release or two as well.

    It makes LT37 that much more special, to get a recording this far down the road that was able to be remixed per se.

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    Old 05-13-2016, 12:44 PM   #393
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    Re: Live Trax 37 - 11/11/92 - Trax

    Listened to LT37 on the way to TX this morning and really, really enjoyed it.

    I loved Peter on Help Myself. His keys in the chorus were really interesting.
    Angel from Montgomery was another highlight, that sounds great and I love Dave/Boyd trading off vocals.
    So Much To Say was fantastic, the harmonica makes the song so, so much better.
    Spotlight was great, probably the best released version to date.
    But the highlight of this release, in my opinion is Ants Marching. That jam was out of this world.
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    Old 05-13-2016, 01:23 PM   #394
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    Re: Live Trax 37 - 11/11/92 - Trax

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    Mastering. That's what I meant.
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    Old 05-13-2016, 02:48 PM   #395
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    Re: Live Trax 37 - 11/11/92 - Trax

    Listened through this again on a plane back from Chicago, can't put into words how much I love LLD and Two Step on this release.
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    Old 05-15-2016, 06:48 PM   #396
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    Re: Live Trax 37 - 11/11/92 - Trax

    listening to this again tonight and it owns owns owns


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    Listened through this again on a plane back from Chicago, can't put into words how much I love LLD and Two Step on this release.
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    Old 08-13-2019, 06:07 PM   #397
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    Re: Live Trax 37 - 11/11/92 - Trax

    Just bought this. Two songs in and it sounds great!
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    Old 08-13-2019, 07:54 PM   #398
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    Re: Live Trax 37 - 11/11/92 - Trax

    Man I love how they could get us something this early multitracked and released as a LT. Love how we got a full band Spotlight and Peter Greisar in this series.
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    Re: Live Trax 37 - 11/11/92 - Trax

    One of the greatest live trax releases
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    Old 08-14-2019, 05:33 AM   #400
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    Re: Live Trax 37 - 11/11/92 - Trax

    This Live Trax is probably the most underrated. Arguably my second favorite after LT3.
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    Re: Live Trax 37 - 11/11/92 - Trax

    Minarets hits seriously hard here especially on the instrumentals, sounds great.

    Still not writing off Spotlight as a turd. I think it's Dave's turd out of context, I think he wrote it in reaction to someone or something that continues to rub him the wrong way to this day. My context however, leaves it as a great song.
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    Re: Live Trax 37 - 11/11/92 - Trax

    One of the best LT there is imo. Carter and Roi are great on it all the way thru.
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    Re: Live Trax 37 - 11/11/92 - Trax

    Fun show! I'm not generally a fan of pre-96 Two Steps, but this might be my favorite Two Step of the early years--so epic!

    Also, the "Boyd jams" are so random. I love the bluesy riff that Fonz lays down on that 2nd improv jam. Wish they still did stuff like that.
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    Re: Live Trax 37 - 11/11/92 - Trax

    Great release. Put this on today after seeing this thread pop up and that LLD is something special. Love what Peter added to it.
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    Re: Live Trax 37 - 11/11/92 - Trax

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    Great release. Put this on today after seeing this thread pop up and that LLD is something special. Love what Peter added to it.


    Not a song on this release, but ditto what he does for The Maker as well.
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    Fun show! I'm not generally a fan of pre-96 Two Steps, but this might be my favorite Two Step of the early years--so epic!

    Also, the "Boyd jams" are so random. I love the bluesy riff that Fonz lays down on that 2nd improv jam. Wish they still did stuff like that.
    Those are my favorite two steps. LT30 and Red Rocks 95 are two of the best imo
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    Those are my favorite two steps. LT30 and Red Rocks 95 are two of the best imo
    LT5 would like a word, love what Dave does on the intro for that one.
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    Re: Live Trax 37 - 11/11/92 - Trax

    just saw the first 37 volumes of Live Trax on ebay as a lot

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/163816116885
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    Re: Live Trax 37 - 11/11/92 - Trax

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    just saw the first 37 volumes of Live Trax on ebay as a lot

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/163816116885

    So you saw your own post?
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    Re: Live Trax 37 - 11/11/92 - Trax

    Unfortunately that listing is prohibited under eBay's listing guidelines due to LT34 on CD-R, they should remove that volume and relist.
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    Re: Live Trax 37 - 11/11/92 - Trax

    Not gonna lie - I totally brushed this release off when it came out. I’m not a big fan of the sound of most early recordings

    But wow... this is among the best in the Live Trax catalog. I just checked it out on Nugs.net
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    Re: Live Trax 37 - 11/11/92 - Trax

    Just listened for the first time. What a great sound! This version of the band is just so different, I love it.
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    Re: Live Trax 37 - 11/11/92 - Trax

    Interesting how the band didn’t always have a sound of ‘98-‘04, yet that very early sound of ‘91-‘93 is celebrated while today’s sound is trashed upon by today’s fans as the band currently evolves.
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    Interesting how the band didn’t always have a sound of ‘98-‘04, yet that very early sound of ‘91-‘93 is celebrated while today’s sound is trashed upon by today’s fans as the band currently evolves.
    https://twitter.com/dril/status/4732...693312?lang=en
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    Old 05-23-2022, 09:01 PM   #415
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    Interesting how the band didn’t always have a sound of ‘98-‘04, yet that very early sound of ‘91-‘93 is celebrated while today’s sound is trashed upon by today’s fans as the band currently evolves.
    Well they did and I think those years are dissected pretty well across this board. '91 through '93 can be celebrated or berated just like any particular era here but one thing the band probably doesn't need is a defense.

    Changing is not necessarily evolving though it's music, so... really?
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    Just listened for the first time. What a great sound! This version of the band is just so different, I love it.
    gotta admit i wasn't the biggest fan of the early DMB sound, but when i got this show i was absolutely blown away. just all around fantastic and one of the best LTs. really opened up the early years for me
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    gotta admit i wasn't the biggest fan of the early DMB sound, but when i got this show i was absolutely blown away. just all around fantastic and one of the best LTs. really opened up the early years for me
    I had the EXACT same reaction to this LT when it first came out. I don't prefer early DMB sound (esp Dave) but this LT is just amazing start to finish. Some special versions on here.
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    Old 05-25-2022, 02:32 AM   #418
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    dead on

    I'm on record saying the band's current sound is the best it's been post-Roi, but compared to the band's whole history, it's not even close. They sounded so much better in '92 than they do now.
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    I love this Two Step. Carter totally has that Tony Williams vibe throughout the entire thing.

    Yeah, the Casio keyboard certainly is. 🥴
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    I love this Two Step. Carter totally has that Tony Williams vibe throughout the entire thing.

    Yeah, the Casio keyboard certainly is. ��
    Early DMB is really primo. You can see why they caught national attention so quickly. The energy, the musicianship, the songs, it was all there. What's crazy to me is how many of these songs are still their core setlist. It's like Dave wrote 40 songs in two years and that's essentially been what they're known for.

    Some of it is a bit cringe with the loud keys front and center and Dave's voice is a bit underdeveloped, but it's fun to go in and see a hard working hungry band playing for audiences with no expectations... as opposed to the mega event they've become.

    And the jams have changed, but it's not like most of them were drastically rewritten or structure changed over the years.
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