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Old 07-17-2018, 01:30 PM   #5881
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That's exactly how I feel. They sound great, but they don't sound like DMB anymore. One or two shows is enough now
Idk, with Boyd there was nothing special anymore. It was getting to be the same old same old. Now there is a different feel to the music. I love the change. If you don't, im sorry to hear that. Nothing you can do about it. People like what they like. But that sucks to be you.
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    Also possible
    doesnt Larry Mullen of U2 have some serious neck and shoulder problems?

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    Plus we can clearly hear Dave's guitar much more than recent years. It's so nice to hear it. I love the version of JTR. During the jam section they just kinda let it sit and breathe and you can hear Dave's playing shine through. I really like that they didnt attack that section with a soloist.
    THIS^ I've been complaining about this ever since Tim joined.

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    THIS^ I've been complaining about this ever since Tim joined.



    I don't know who that is
    U2's bassist but how is this relevant to the discussion lol
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    U2's bassist but how is this relevant to the discussion lol
    he's U2's drummer who has had extensive physical problems from a lifetime of performing. seemed relevant compared to the discussion of Carter -- ie he wouldnt be the first rock drummer to be held back by the physicality of playing their instrument.
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    doesnt Larry Mullen of U2 have some serious neck and shoulder problems?
    do you mean Larry Mullen Sr.'s Son?
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    Re: The Decision: Boyd Leaving DMB

    Whether you like the current sound of DMB or not, it won't be long before the band winds down and we get more D&T I'm thinking. Which I have no problem with. I saw both of the shows last year at the Mann Center and they were sublime. Great sets, great crowd (less normies and more serious fans), and Dave sounded fantastic. It was just all around a great vibe.
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    Will be all over any future D&T tours.
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    he's U2's drummer who has had extensive physical problems from a lifetime of performing. seemed relevant compared to the discussion of Carter -- ie he wouldnt be the first rock drummer to be held back by the physicality of playing their instrument.
    Ah, good point. I believe Steve Gadd has had similar issues. So yes, this could apply here .

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    Whether you like the current sound of DMB or not, it won't be long before the band winds down and we get more D&T I'm thinking. Which I have no problem with. I saw both of the shows last year at the Mann Center and they were sublime. Great sets, great crowd (less normies and more serious fans), and Dave sounded fantastic. It was just all around a great vibe.
    I agree. Except I do have a prob with it
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    Plus we can clearly hear Dave's guitar much more than recent years. It's so nice to hear it. I love the version of JTR. During the jam section they just kinda let it sit and breathe and you can hear Dave's playing shine through. I really like that they didnt attack that section with a soloist.
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    Will be all over any future D&T tours.
    on That , I could not agree more, I like DMB 3.0, but honestly have been saying for last 6 years, the band sound is just no where as elegant as what D&T have become together, and maybe its my now old ears, the band is just too loud live for me these days.... I honestly have NEVER liked Tim on electric, he doesn't play with the finesse as he does on acoustic, and what he brings to the duo is priceless.

    I actually would totally not mind band winding down, and Dave going into his last X years of playing as D&T.
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCs4Ts4kjyc&t=1s
    at 1:53:20 right after Boyd is finished with his LIOG solo he walks to Dave & Dave nods his head says something and Boyd says thank you. Dave stood on the side of the stage during that whole solo. Maybe he was gonna go off on BT if he did not perform it well. Kinda sad that Boyd fell off that hard and lost his passion to play or even practice with the band.
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCs4Ts4kjyc&t=1s
    at 1:53:20 right after Boyd is finished with his LIOG solo he walks to Dave & Dave nods his head says something and Boyd says thank you. Dave stood on the side of the stage during that whole solo. Maybe he was gonna go off on BT if he did not perform it well. Kinda sad that Boyd fell off that hard and lost his passion to play or even practice with the band.
    This is exactly what I was referencing. Rewind a bit to right before Boyd is supposed to play his part. You'll notice he waits an extra 4 measures (haven't watched this clip in a while so I'm guessing), and at that moment, TR, Carter, and basically all eyes are on Boyd who is seemingly taking his time before he starts playing.

    He actually plays a pretty cool jam there, but it was questionable if he was even going to do it during that buildup I mentioned above.
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    Even his best moments in the last few years would devolve into the "beef it's what's for dinner" theme just about every time.
    Epic reference.

    Wanted to point that out since the post got buried so quickly.
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    Idk, with Boyd there was nothing special anymore. It was getting to be the same old same old. Now there is a different feel to the music. I love the change. If you don't, im sorry to hear that. Nothing you can do about it. People like what they like. But that sucks to be you.

    Tim isn't playing as loud, the tempo on a lot of songs is improved, Buddy has been a great addition and my main gripe about him playing too much organ actually seems to be changing, you can hear Dave's guitar and Stefan's bass more clearly, and I don't miss BT's skreeing at all. That being said I don't think it necessarily sucks to be someone who wants the skreeing, less dynamic, wall of sound band back.
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    Tim isn't playing as loud, the tempo on a lot of songs is improved, Buddy has been a great addition and my main gripe about him playing too much organ actually seems to be changing, you can hear Dave's guitar and Stefan's bass more clearly, and I don't miss BT's skreeing at all. That being said I don't think it necessarily sucks to be someone who wants the skreeing, less dynamic, wall of sound band back.
    I miss him, mainly because so many songs are so awkward without him. I believe it was Bartender at SPAC that made it very noticeable.. but of course the list goes on and on. Tim and Buddy cover better on some than others.
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    havent listened to the band this tour yet, but im glad to hear tim is not making every song unbearable. can we say the same about rashawn this tour?
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    Been trying to not spoil the 4 shows I'm attending in CO and the Gorge, so only listening to bits of shows here and there. I did catch both of the youtube streams and thought the band had made a huge improvement from Camden to Spac. I didn't think Camden was bad, but just not the DMB I'm used to.

    Buddy has improved a ton already. To be able to learn this catalog with these fans just ready to attack you for your first mistake is unreal. I applaud him for taking the job and love the fun he's bringing. Everyone at SPAC on stage was just smiling. Don't think I've ever seen that.

    Who knows where this leads. Dave is definitely a great marketer in the sense he knows he has to be confident that this sound right now is the best sound for where the band is at. I believe he believes it, but time will tell.
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    havent listened to the band this tour yet, but im glad to hear tim is not making every song unbearable. can we say the same about rashawn this tour?
    Why haven't you? Are you going to any shows this year?

    As far as Reshawn - not really. They've given him more playing time than Jeff. It makes no sense.
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    Been trying to not spoil the 4 shows I'm attending in CO and the Gorge, so only listening to bits of shows here and there. I did catch both of the youtube streams and thought the band had made a huge improvement from Camden to Spac. I didn't think Camden was bad, but just not the DMB I'm used to.

    Buddy has improved a ton already. To be able to learn this catalog with these fans just ready to attack you for your first mistake is unreal. I applaud him for taking the job and love the fun he's bringing. Everyone at SPAC on stage was just smiling. Don't think I've ever seen that.

    Who knows where this leads. Dave is definitely a great marketer in the sense he knows he has to be confident that this sound right now is the best sound for where the band is at. I believe he believes it, but time will tell.
    Why do people say stuff like this? You've never seen everyone on stage smiling at a show before? Come on.
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    Why do people say stuff like this? You've never seen everyone on stage smiling at a show before? Come on.
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    Why haven't you? Are you going to any shows this year?

    As far as Reshawn - not really. They've given him more playing time than Jeff. It makes no sense.
    dont care for the sound anymore. dont care for the new album a ton. i will try and go to the LA show mainly out of curiosity to hear how the band sounds. but i dont have much interest in hearing them live before i see them live. tim has been unbearable the last few years and the horns haven't helped either. if they toned it down, it would peak my interest. and i loved what butch brought, so im happy that the keys are back in some way.

    edit: all this to say, im not ready to write them off yet, but my interest has certainly died down in the last few years.
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    dont care for the sound anymore. dont care for the new album a ton. i will try and go to the LA show mainly out of curiosity to hear how the band sounds. but i dont have much interest in hearing them live before i see them live. tim has been unbearable the last few years and the horns haven't helped either. if they toned it down, it would peak my interest. and i loved what butch brought, so im happy that the keys are back in some way.
    Hmmm. I was in the same boat as you. As far as I was concerned, DMB died when LeRoi passed. I basically hated the sound for the same reasons from 2008 until, well, now.

    Obviously 2018 is not like anything before 2008, but it's arguably closer than ever. I encourage you to check out some shows on Youtube of this year. You might add a show to your list!
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    Hmmm. I was in the same boat as you. As far as I was concerned, DMB died when LeRoi passed. I basically hated the sound for the same reasons from 2008 until, well, now.

    Obviously 2018 is not like anything before 2008, but it's arguably closer than ever. I encourage you to check out some shows on Youtube of this year. You might add a show to your list!
    that's cool, im glad to see someone share the same opinion about the band post-2008 (obviously a lot of others too). and im glad to hear you're enjoying this new version of the band. i'll never drop off completely, but my need to follow set lists, watch live streams, and download shows is totally gone. i will def try and catch them in LA, but my expectations are low...which is why perhaps ill be pleasantly surprised!
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    that's cool, im glad to see someone share the same opinion about the band post-2008 (obviously a lot of others too). and im glad to hear you're enjoying this new version of the band. i'll never drop off completely, but my need to follow set lists, watch live streams, and download shows is totally gone. i will def try and catch them in LA, but my expectations are low...which is why perhaps ill be pleasantly surprised!
    Sounds like my exact situation. I stopped following setlists, this forum, etc shortly after the 2008 tour. For the first time since 2008, I'm following all the Dave interviews, live streams, XM radio, etc etc. It's kinda crazy really because it reminds me of the old days!

    Anyways, I hope you enjoy it when you go. Report back if you remember.
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    Tim isn't playing as loud, the tempo on a lot of songs is improved, Buddy has been a great addition and my main gripe about him playing too much organ actually seems to be changing, you can hear Dave's guitar and Stefan's bass more clearly, and I don't miss BT's skreeing at all. That being said I don't think it necessarily sucks to be someone who wants the skreeing, less dynamic, wall of sound band back.
    This guy gets it. I wholeheartedly believe that there are some people on here, names withheld, who just will find a way to be unhappy.

    A common point would be "Why can't we criticize a band on their forum?". You can, and you should. But it should be a fair balance. Not everything sucks. To suggest that you would prefer that the band just quit performing is far from simple criticism.
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    Who said they should stop performing?

    I think I missed that post.
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    on That , I could not agree more, I like DMB 3.0, but honestly have been saying for last 6 years, the band sound is just no where as elegant as what D&T have become together, and maybe its my now old ears, the band is just too loud live for me these days.... I honestly have NEVER liked Tim on electric, he doesn't play with the finesse as he does on acoustic, and what he brings to the duo is priceless.



    I actually would totally not mind band winding down, and Dave going into his last X years of playing as D&T.


    If they were to do this I would much much rather it become all acoustic sets with the full band on acoustic instruments

    More energy than D&T but less than electric band

    But I love the energy and electric feel at concerts - it’s why I enjoy seeing them live so much

    It was obviously cool to hear songs like Stolen Away and Old Dirt Hill acoustically, but Two Step should never be that way IMO
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    Who said they should stop performing?

    I think I missed that post.
    I believe several people have stated on numerous occassiona that they would prefer the band stop performing. They would rather just have some Dave and Tim shows and thats it. I dont know if you were one of the many who said this, but it wouldnt surprise me if you were.
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