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Old 11-05-2010, 04:04 PM   #31
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Being tighter with less jams is more listener friendly, this is true..... but those listeners can fuck themselves, the only things I want to hear from this band is what they want to play and HOW they want to play it. Because when it comes down to it it's about them having a good time and us sharing that experience.
But, who are we to say this isn't what they wanted to play and how they wanted to play it at that point in time? We can all speculate on how much they all hated ED or whatever, but can you be sure?
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    Re: Glen Ballard

    Apart from all the Ballard bashing, I had no idea this Charlie Rose special even existed. Good times.
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    When somebody is pressured to write songs that quickly, there's not much room for creativity. That's not to say someone can't write a great song in an hour. Someone can be suddenly inspired walking down the street and write a beautiful song because the thought came naturally. But when you just go in and sit down and say 'ok i have to write a whole song today' it becomes too mechanical and forced.

    If you write your own songs, you most likely agree.
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    Agree with this completely. I don't write any music, but I do stand up comedy and some times when I have time, I sit down and try to write out jokes. But you really can't force it. You might get an alright idea here and there but nothing really special. Some of my best jokes have come to me while I was just going about life and the idea came up. You can't force creativity.

    I feel the same way about the short stories I write. I can write nine stories in ten days, but that doesn't mean they'll be any good or even interesting at best.
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    Old 08-18-2012, 06:19 PM   #34
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    I just saw the katy perry movie and glen ballard produced her first record and got her started. he looks like someone who would ruin dmb
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    Old 08-18-2012, 09:47 PM   #35
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    I just saw the katy perry movie and glen ballard produced her first record and got her started. he looks like someone who would ruin dmb
    Quit bumping old threads you fuck.
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    Quit bumping old threads you fuck.
    this is the only one i bumped . Doug did that terrible one
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    this is the only one i bumped . Doug did that terrible one
    You know I love you. Glad you liked the Katy Perry movie.
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    Old 08-18-2012, 10:52 PM   #38
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    Re: Glen Ballard

    He got stoned and watched a Katy Perry movie while getting a handy from Ballard.



    PS Glen Ballard is a terrible human being.
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    Old 08-19-2012, 12:34 AM   #39
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    The whole thing is just evil. Everything that Glen Ballard represents in relation to this band is evil. The words that come out of their mouths as a result of his influence, the way they saw their own music at the time, his interpretation of how this band should communicate....all evil...and I love how he tells everyone what the audience wants. When it's your job to sell to the masses than you become qualified to make that statement, and I won't argue that he isn't qualified...but at what point did we all become the masses and when was it has job to decide what we wanted to hear?
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    Re: Glen Ballard

    Watching the 2000 interview again for the first time in over a decade, I can't fathom the tunnel vision this band had about their material with Lillywhite. The version of the Lillywhite sessions that we've heard leaked is like 3 days of cleanup from being not only DMB's best album, but one of the best albums of all time. They talk about it like they were recording Stand Up or something.
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    Re: Glen Ballard

    Glen Ballard is a great writer and a damn good producer. Everyday plays better as a solo record, but it is a DAMN good pop album. One of my favorites ever.

    The best thing Glen did, though, was get them out of Virginia.
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    Glen Ballard is a great writer and a damn good producer. Everyday plays better as a solo record, but it is a DAMN good pop album. One of my favorites ever.

    The best thing Glen did, though, was get them out of Virginia.
    It's no Pet Sounds, Rubber Soul, or even (What's the Story) Morning Glory?

    Maybe if you compare it to Hollywood bubblegum pop then it's a good pop album, but I consider some of what Radiohead does to be pop, and Everyday is nowhere near that level. It may be terse, but what it lacks in complexity it also lacks in soul. tLWS had complexity AND soul.

    This all reminds me of when my own band broke up. We spent years writing excellent music, but wrote our best 3 songs the few months right before we broke up, but had no idea at the time. It's like you're looking for gold and just digging a hole down below the ground and you fall and end up in an actual gold mine, but it's fucking dark--so instead of lighting a match, you give up and say "it's too dark in here, let's get the hell out!!!"

    That's what I think happened to DMB in 1999-2000. The were actually down in the gold mine and all they had to do was take a step back and turn on a flashlight, but instead they got the fuck out of there. It's so sad.
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    Re: Glen Ballard

    It's very comparable to All That You Can't Leave Behind by U2, and it's great.

    What's the Story Morning Glory is fucking awful. I can't get Oasis, at all.

    Obviously it's not those two first albums, those are two of the most important albums of all time.
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    It's very comparable to All That You Can't Leave Behind by U2, and it's great.

    What's the Story Morning Glory is fucking awful. I can't get Oasis, at all.

    Obviously it's not those two first albums, those are two of the most important albums of all time.
    Everyday isn't even CLOSE to All That You Can't Leave Behind. Seriously, In A Little While alone has at least 5 times more soul and emotion than any of the sludge on Everyday, and I think it's the shortest track on the album.
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    In a Little While is the best U2 song ever, other than One...maybe.

    But as an overall album, I'll take Everyday. ATYCLB suffers what a lot of U2 albums suffer, in that the second half of the album isn't as good as the first. Everyday is very consistent in its goodness. It's not a good "DMB record" but it's very enjoyable. For me, anyway.
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    In a Little While is the best U2 song ever, other than One...maybe.

    But as an overall album, I'll take Everyday. ATYCLB suffers what a lot of U2 albums suffer, in that the second half of the album isn't as good as the first. Everyday is very consistent in its goodness. It's not a good "DMB record" but it's very enjoyable. For me, anyway.
    I guess I can disagree without being disagreeable since you don't seem to have incredibly terrible taste. I just despise the production on Everyday. Songs like Fool to Think which could be brilliant are raped by heavy-handed production and compression. It's too bad, because Everyday is a far better album than Stand Up, but Stand Up is mastered infinitely better.

    Maybe I'm more critical because I have a set of audiophile-grade headphones and a headphone amp, so the impurities in Everyday show a lot more than in the completely un-mastered LWS, which retains its dynamic range and really shines at the level of an album like The Final Cut (just talking about the recording, not the music).
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    everyday isnt even a DMB release. its almost a solo album.

    then they had the audacity in that charlie rose interview to say they felt like bigger professionals under ballards wing. that whole interview drove me insane.
    Yeah i was taken aback when I heard them say this. Kind of a slap in the face to the man who helped put them on the map IMO.
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    Old 08-19-2012, 08:17 AM   #48
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    I dont know if you most people know this now, but all the songs were written and most parts were completed before the band even got there. It was just Dave and Glen.
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    Fuck glen ballard. Fuck him hard.
    Fuck him slowly up the arse with a spiked club.
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    Fuck glen ballard. Fuck him hard.
    Fuck him slowly up the arse with a spiked club.
    Why? Seriously. He did nothing wrong.
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    Why? Seriously. He did nothing wrong.
    He played a part in helping enable the band to go from great to less than great. His whole bullshit about the live show being separate from the studio, and the songs need to be tighter so they are more listenable.....fuck that shit!
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    He played a part in helping enable the band to go from great to less than great. His whole bullshit about the live show being separate from the studio, and the songs need to be tighter so they are more listenable.....fuck that shit!
    Blame the label if you want to, because he did exactly what they told him to do.

    Also, he co-wrote Man in the Mirror. So hold off.
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    hilarious to see charlie rose read the lyrics to i did it as if he's reading sophisticated poetry or something.

    also, roi looks pissed.
    That was my favorite part of the interview
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    as time passes... i don't blame Ballard as much as i used to.

    he was just doing his job.

    i think it was dave's fault for fucking around too much.
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    Those were the dark times. Roi doesn't look happy in any shot.
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    He played a part in helping enable the band to go from great to less than great. His whole bullshit about the live show being separate from the studio, and the songs need to be tighter so they are more listenable.....fuck that shit!

    And you dont think the band played the biggest part of firing Lillywhite in the process? I still put Everyday above Stand Up and BWATGGK.
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    I think the most telling line from the interview was when Rose asks the band "what does Glen Ballard bring to the table?" and Boyd answers "150 million records sold"

    Also Roi and Fonzie both looked beside themselves when Rose was talking to the whole band, the only time Roi looked happy was when Dave was talking about lieing in a ditch somewhere when the world ends. You could see Roi get even more agitated when Carter was talking about being professional musicians and how they had charts, and how they didn't have the play by ear mentality, he almost had to be thinking "now we really are just Dave's back up band". I hope one of the guys writes a book one day and we get the whole story, but times were tense then . . . no doubt about it.

    On a side note I can't imagine sitting down to have dinner and having pre-famous Dave waiting on me . . . He had to get hella tips.
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    DMB is my all time favorite band (and probably most of yours), and have seen them 64 times since 96. I've seen all the ups and downs, changes in style's, and the best live shows in my life. I don't hate Everyday. I think a lot of fans on here use everyday to place their dissappointment that Dave can't write as good of songs as he used to. I think Dave's best writing was on the big 3 and TLWS. I think we all agree with that. And I would've much rather them complete their album with Steve than to shelf it and go with Ballard. But that's what they wanted! Maybe not Roi so much (bless his soul). But that's what they wanted. I for one enjoy almost every song on that album. Ya, the production was slick and over-produced. But I would imagine that almost all of us choose "live" DMB when going through our CDs or files. So, if DMB wanted to change it up, "feel" like a different band for a moment, shake things up, then I don't care. As long as when the lights go down, they go out there and lay it down like the top notch improv musicians they are, I'm happy. They never became a different band. They never abanded who they are as a live act. What they did with ED was attract a new audience. But I really think the reason most of us get so worked up is because of 2 things: 1. TLWS was so damn good! 2. Dave really hasn't wrote anything close to what he did up until ED. But I don't see it as ED's fault. Sorry for kinda rambling here, but I do find it kinda funny that we supposedly HATE ED, but when So Right gets played this year, everyone loves it. Good to Great songs, with a production style we all dislike. Not the end of the world, in my opinion. Just my two cents anyway.
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    DMB is my all time favorite band (and probably most of yours), and have seen them 64 times since 96. I've seen all the ups and downs, changes in style's, and the best live shows in my life. I don't hate Everyday. I think a lot of fans on here use everyday to place their dissappointment that Dave can't write as good of songs as he used to. I think Dave's best writing was on the big 3 and TLWS. I think we all agree with that. And I would've much rather them complete their album with Steve than to shelf it and go with Ballard. But that's what they wanted! Maybe not Roi so much (bless his soul). But that's what they wanted. I for one enjoy almost every song on that album. Ya, the production was slick and over-produced. But I would imagine that almost all of us choose "live" DMB when going through our CDs or files. So, if DMB wanted to change it up, "feel" like a different band for a moment, shake things up, then I don't care. As long as when the lights go down, they go out there and lay it down like the top notch improv musicians they are, I'm happy. They never became a different band. They never abanded who they are as a live act. What they did with ED was attract a new audience. But I really think the reason most of us get so worked up is because of 2 things: 1. TLWS was so damn good! 2. Dave really hasn't wrote anything close to what he did up until ED. But I don't see it as ED's fault. Sorry for kinda rambling here, but I do find it kinda funny that we supposedly HATE ED, but when So Right gets played this year, everyone loves it. Good to Great songs, with a production style we all dislike. Not the end of the world, in my opinion. Just my two cents anyway.
    Yeah but what about Boyd?
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