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Old 01-31-2023, 03:24 PM   #6301
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I'm not sold on Payton being a coach that you give up what they did to get him. Looking at it from his perspective if the options are Wilson or Murray, I guess you go Wilson but it seems like a lose lose situation either way.
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    didnt the broncos give up a shitload of picks for Russ also?
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    I'm not sold on Payton being a coach that you give up what they did to get him. Looking at it from his perspective if the options are Wilson or Murray, I guess you go Wilson but it seems like a lose lose situation either way.
    Peyton turned around the franchise in New Orleans along with Brees. Saints were a laughingstock. He just has to turn around the team in Denver.
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    But But Dabol came from the BB coaching tree.
    Dabol did great this year they are still hamstrung with decisions made from the last regime and cap problems. Giants won as many games this year as they usually do in 2 years.
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    Old 01-31-2023, 04:07 PM   #6305
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    Peyton turned around the franchise in New Orleans along with Brees. Saints were a laughingstock. He just has to turn around the team in Denver.
    He did but Wilson isn't Brees he's an aging qb with an ego issue and denver has no early draft picks. He also only played in and won one sb with Brees, which he was later suspended for. The saints also had terrible defenses for most of his time there, which contributed to Brees throwing for tons of empty yards. I understand the narrative of Peyton, im just not buying it. If anything Williams, if he stays healthy, could benefit the most. Duece and Kamara were ppr machines under his reign.
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    Yea Peyton as a coach is overrated. Had Brees in a dome all those years and made it to one Super Bowl

    BUT I also think Brees is way overrated also
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    Old 01-31-2023, 04:45 PM   #6307
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    Payton is another McCarthy where yeah he's had success but you wonder how much was him and how much was circumstance
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    wasn't one of the knocks on Brees that he was a system QB? (overrated cliche imo)....if he was a system QB, well Peyton was the system
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    Old 01-31-2023, 05:00 PM   #6309
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    Yea Peyton as a coach is overrated.



    Saints were the aints before he go there. Archie never had a winning record or made the playoffs.
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    Old 01-31-2023, 05:01 PM   #6310
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    He did but Wilson isn't Brees he's an aging qb with an ego issue and denver has no early draft picks. He also only played in and won one sb with Brees, which he was later suspended for. The saints also had terrible defenses for most of his time there, which contributed to Brees throwing for tons of empty yards. I understand the narrative of Peyton, im just not buying it. If anything Williams, if he stays healthy, could benefit the most. Duece and Kamara were ppr machines under his reign.
    You make some good points but you're mostly wrong. Saints were a joke before Peyton and Brees.
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    Payton is another McCarthy where yeah he's had success but you wonder how much was him and how much was circumstance
    Inheriting a shitty organization and a QB with an injury history?


    Also Hurricane Katrina.
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    Old 01-31-2023, 05:13 PM   #6312
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    Saints were the aints before he go there. Archie never had a winning record or made the playoffs.
    Yes and? Saints always drafted well during the Brees years so they stayed relevant and played in a dome with a QB they was really great inside the dome

    The comparison to McCarthy is a great one
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    Old 01-31-2023, 05:16 PM   #6313
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    Peyton had 5 seasons sub .500 in No

    He is a good not great. He will make the broncos better than lasts season but not much better
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    Old 01-31-2023, 05:21 PM   #6314
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    Yes and? Saints always drafted well during the Brees years so they stayed relevant and played in a dome with a QB they was really great inside the dome

    The comparison to McCarthy is a great one

    https://www.pro-football-reference.c.../nor/index.htm


    Says it all. You guys act like it was a given that they'd be good. It wasn't.



    When Peyton took a 3-13 team to double-digit wins it was only the 6th time the Saints had double-digit wins since they formed in 67. He did it 8 more times.
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    Old 01-31-2023, 05:23 PM   #6315
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    seeing a lot of 7-9 seasons in there
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    seeing a lot of 7-9 seasons in there
    Saints were pretty much a joke before Peyton and Brees. They won a SB. Inherited a 3-13 team.
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    Yes and? Saints always drafted well during the Brees years so they stayed relevant and played in a dome with a QB they was really great inside the dome

    The comparison to McCarthy is a great one
    https://imgur.com/Ka0F1mG
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    Old 01-31-2023, 05:32 PM   #6318
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    Saints were pretty much a joke before Peyton and Brees. They won a SB. Inherited a 3-13 team.
    That’s all fine and well lol

    Brees and Peyton are a good coach/qb combo. Many coaches/QBs win one Super Bowl.
    I’m not even sure what your point is or if you’re just doing your typical Drak nonsense
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    Wow. Closer than I thought.
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    McCarthy doesn’t have a butthole mouth. They’re totally different.
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    Peyton is very awkward looking on fox

    He is the same size length and width
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    You make some good points but you're mostly wrong. Saints were a joke before Peyton and Brees.
    Yes they were and I don't see how. Most of Brees yards came from being down and having to throw because their defense was terrible. They were a good combination don't get me wrong and Brees could throw to literally anyone they threw out there, but to expect that success in Denver and crown him as a great coach, not buying it. He ran out of new Orleans as soon as Brees left. Having said that most of the coaches are awful so if it's any less then mediocre blame Wilson
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    This actually strengthens my case.
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    Yes they were and I don't see how. Most of Brees yards came from being down and having to throw because their defense was terrible.
    Peyton only had maybe 4 or 5 years where he had a terrible defense according to SRS. He won a SB with a slightly below average D. Makes sense if you have Brees to be a bit more focused on the offense.



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    I am just checking here but you guys know Brees wasn't always a Saint right?
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    I am just checking here but you guys know Brees wasn't always a Saint right?
    Yes and he wasn’t good in San Diego except for like 04 and that team was stacked
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    Yes they were and I don't see how. Most of Brees yards came from being down and having to throw because their defense was terrible. They were a good combination don't get me wrong and Brees could throw to literally anyone they threw out there, but to expect that success in Denver and crown him as a great coach, not buying it. He ran out of new Orleans as soon as Brees left. Having said that most of the coaches are awful so if it's any less then mediocre blame Wilson
    100% the problem in the NFL has always been coaching not QB play
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    Old 02-01-2023, 05:07 AM   #6329
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    Peyton only had maybe 4 or 5 years where he had a terrible defense according to SRS. He won a SB with a slightly below average D. Makes sense if you have Brees to be a bit more focused on the offense.



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    So what happened the rest of those years?
    They got to that superbowl after they were headhunting and blasting farve in the nfc championship game and for some reason no penalties were thrown. William's was fired and Peyton was suspended a year. I think they may even have had Sharper there for that run, so that's classy.
    The chargers had rivers, who probably would have won more sb than manning with the giants, and sent Brees to the saints. If I remember correctly that's why Saban quit because he wanted him on the Dolphins. No one really knew what Brees would be at that point because of the shoulder injury.
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    Tom Brady is retiring for this week
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