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Old 06-26-2014, 12:28 AM   #331
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Following the sets and then complaining the shows are repetitive is like reading spoilers to a movie and then complaining you know what happens. IMO
Following the sets and then complaining the shows are repetitive is like watching a series of movies and then complaining you know what happens because they use the same formula in every movie. It's a legitimate criticism.

Example: Airplane and Airplane 2.
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    These sets are stale. What the fuck happened!? 2013 we saw a ton of TD's and great rare songs (Crazy-Easy, JTR, Recently > Water/Wine, Kit Kat Jam, Etc.) and the sets had a ton of variety. Now it just seems as though they just don't give a fuck. They play the same group of songs at every show. Its kinda insulting. People shell out they're hard earned money to go and see these guys in multiple states and venues across the entire continent (US & Canada), and they know this, yet they still insist on playing it safe. Its strange, they have hundreds of songs in their catalog (Jeff says that there are 140-150 songs in the catalog) yet they still play the same ones every damn show. Its more annoying then it is infuriating, because I want to hear most of these songs live, but there needs to be more variety. The tours like half over and it doesn't look like anythings changing soon.
    Given that many of the hardcores here have voiced their statements that they no longer attend more than their local shows anymore, I'm not even sure there's any validity to any of the points brought up here.
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    Old 06-26-2014, 01:38 AM   #333
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    Its more annoying then it is infuriating, because I want to hear most of these songs live, but there needs to be more variety. The tours like half over and it doesn't look like anythings changing soon.
    They played 88 songs 17 shows into the 2013 summer tour.

    This tour is currently 17 shows in - they've played 84. That's not far off last year's pace.
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    Old 06-27-2014, 09:33 PM   #334
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    They played 88 songs 17 shows into the 2013 summer tour.

    This tour is currently 17 shows in - they've played 84. That's not far off last year's pace.
    7 cover songs that are played nearly every night... what was that number in 2013 through this point in the tour?
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    Old 06-27-2014, 09:33 PM   #335
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    7 cover songs that are played nearly every night... what was that number in 2013 through this point in the tour?
    7 cover songs a night? Where are you getting this?
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    Old 06-27-2014, 09:35 PM   #336
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    7 cover songs a night? Where are you getting this?
    7 songs that factor into the song total...
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    Old 06-27-2014, 09:35 PM   #337
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    7 cover songs a night? Where are you getting this?
    Pretty sure he means a rotation of 7 and 1-2 every night.
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    Old 06-27-2014, 09:41 PM   #338
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    Pretty sure he means a rotation of 7 and 1-2 every night.
    He gets me
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    Old 06-27-2014, 09:43 PM   #339
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    He gets me
    But still, there have only been 6 total cover performances in the last 5 shows. I don't think it's really an issue.
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    Old 06-27-2014, 09:50 PM   #340
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    But still, there have only been 6 total cover performances in the last 5 shows. I don't think it's really an issue.
    it wouldn't be such an issue if the sets weren't so predictable. If you go to more than two shows a summer, which I am not this year, you will hear the same opener and closer at least twice.
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    Old 06-27-2014, 09:57 PM   #341
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    They played 88 songs 17 shows into the 2013 summer tour.

    This tour is currently 17 shows in - they've played 84. That's not far off last year's pace.
    However, the band is playing more songs per night than last year. At least 23 songs are being played a night. Last tour had an average of 20 songs a night.
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    Old 06-27-2014, 10:51 PM   #342
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    10 out of 24 songs at blossom were played there last year . . . Think dave forgot to check his cheat sheets.
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    Old 06-27-2014, 11:21 PM   #343
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    10 out of 24 songs at blossom were played there last year . . . Think dave forgot to check his cheat sheets.
    Most of them were good songs and it was a show that got released. It's not like he repeated Blossom '07 or '12 out there.
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    Old 06-27-2014, 11:55 PM   #344
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    The point is there isn't enough sets like tonight. We are saying this should be the norm, not the exception.
    If more sets were "Special" they wouldn't be special anymore which is kinda the point, isnt it? They cant' all be great and when the good ones do pop up they are that much better.
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    Old 06-28-2014, 04:05 AM   #345
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    Re: Overall lack of setlist variety so far

    if all the sets included best of whats around, typical, stone, raven, jane, warehouse, nancies, recently, jtr, dido, 41, say goodbye, veil, cry freedom etc. no one would be complaining... its the bw songs and cover songs that plague these damn sets
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    Old 06-28-2014, 04:48 AM   #346
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    As I say in every thread about this subject, it's not the number of songs they play. It's the lack of balance on the number of times each song is played.
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    Old 06-28-2014, 04:51 AM   #347
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    just take a look at the songs stats on the almanac from last night's show. A high % of the songs on the set last night we're played either the previous show, or the one before. This trend has been prevalent this tour. I would hesitate going to three or more shows in a row for fear of seeing a lot of repeats.
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    Old 06-28-2014, 05:13 AM   #348
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    if all the sets included best of whats around, typical, stone, raven, jane, warehouse, nancies, recently, jtr, dido, 41, say goodbye, veil, cry freedom etc. no one would be complaining... its the bw songs and cover songs that plague these damn sets
    Not entirely true. There have been grumbling a about the predictability of the acoustic sets. The sets include songs like Bartender, Recently, Minarets, Ants, Two Step, WWYS, PFWYG, and IBYU. There is only 1 subpar song consistantly played during the acoustic sets and that's stolen away.

    While everyone here would rather the heavy rotation songs were the ones you listed it would still have people complaining eventually.
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    Old 06-28-2014, 05:25 AM   #349
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    If more sets were "Special" they wouldn't be special anymore which is kinda the point, isnt it? They cant' all be great and when the good ones do pop up they are that much better.
    This line of thinking is terrible. All shows should be great and never mediocre.
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    Old 06-28-2014, 06:00 AM   #350
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    If more sets were "Special" they wouldn't be special anymore which is kinda the point, isnt it? They cant' all be great and when the good ones do pop up they are that much better.
    Says the guy who's never seen a show other than the Gorge. Not biased or anything.
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    Most of them were good songs and it was a show that got released. It's not like he repeated Blossom '07 or '12 out there.
    No the songs weren't bad, but still if you only go to blossom every year you got 10 repeats. Kinda throws out the whole "go to less shows then" argument. When you think of the cost in going to a show it's a valid complaint.
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    Old 06-28-2014, 06:26 AM   #352
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    Complaining about complainers makes you look like an immature kid.
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    Old 06-28-2014, 06:27 AM   #353
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    This line of thinking is terrible. All shows should be great and never mediocre.
    I suppose terrible equals reality. You don't get it and no reason to try at this point. If they played the top 24 songs every night after a few shows there would be nothing special about it and people would be complaining about the overall lack of set list variety.

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    If bowa and raven are under 5 plays and shake me and seven are over 25 then you "omg variety, stop bitching" people will have our arguments fall flat

    Make no mistake, this is probably what will happen because that's how it always has been.
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    Says the guy who's never seen a show other than the Gorge. Not biased or anything.
    Bias has nothing to do with. Good initiative, poor judgement.
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    I suppose terrible equals reality. You don't get it and not reason to try at this point. If they played the top 24 songs every night after a few shows there would be nothing special about it and people would be complaining about the overall lack of set list variety.
    As long as the main slots were changed, I see 3-5 shows if this were the case

    Then again, I appreciate their best stuff
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    When people toss the song list up and scream "variety, shut up you assholes!" Make sure you also post the numbers.
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    As long as the main slots were changed, I see 3-5 shows if this were the case

    Then again, I appreciate their best stuff

    They would certainly be a good shows, but nothing special about them.
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    I suppose terrible equals reality. You don't get it and no reason to try at this point. If they played the top 24 songs every night after a few shows there would be nothing special about it and people would be complaining about the overall lack of set list variety.
    In 2000, many of the same songs were played every night, but no one seemed to complain. There's only one show that was rated below 4 stars, at 3.97, and there are a lot of 4.5 star shows from that tour.

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    I can't remember a show from this tour that wasn't heavy with 90s material from this band and light with ED/SU/BW (which everyone complains about). Definitely a change from recent tours. I can't wait for the show on the 4th in Chicago. It's not news that Dave doesn't mix up the sets a whole lot these days. Been going on for years.
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