** College Football Season **

[Lee3691]

I am not even sure you are a Michigan fan - RR was not fired because of NCAA violations, he was fired because he could hardly win games.

[AbeFroman]

Originally Posted by AbeFroman

When RR brought shame on our program I wanted him gone. Michigan is bigger than any coach/player. I do not want anything to tarnish my program. tOSU fired Woody, they know the school is bigger than a man.

Big diff between I wanted him gone and thats why he was fired.

[proppenator]

The Michigan alumni were all pretty sour on RichRod from the get-go, and once the NCAA violations hit it got ugly. He would have had to pull a Big 10 Championship out of his ass to save his job.

EDIT: Tressel is still a scumbag.

[Lee3691]

Originally Posted by proppenator

The Michigan alumni were all pretty sour on RichRod from the get-go, and once the NCAA violations hit it got ugly. He would have had to pull a Big 10 Championship out of his ass to save his job.

EDIT: Tressel is still a scumbag.

I'm dissapointed in his actions (as an Ohio State fan), but I don't think he is a scum bag.

[AbeFroman]

Originally Posted by Lee3691

I'm dissapointed in his actions (as an Ohio State fan), but I don't think he is a scum bag.

As a fan I do not see how you want him there anymore. It is not a MAC school, its not Indiana, its F'n tOSU. You call it "the" for crying out loud. How do you let a man tarnish one of the great universitys out there, and say well we won a lot. They have won a lot for 100 years.

I will admit I like to see pain at that school. But as a fan of the Big Ten, its sad. We are not the SEC.

[Lee3691]

Originally Posted by AbeFroman

As a fan I do not see how you want him there anymore. It is not a MAC school, its not Indiana, its F'n tOSU. You call it "the" for crying out loud. How do you let a man tarnish one of the great universitys out there, and say well we won a lot. They have won a lot for 100 years.

I will admit I like to see pain at that school. But as a fan of the Big Ten, its sad. We are not the SEC.

Despite this mistake, I think he deserves to retire in a better situation. I think he'll only be coaching for two more seasons, and if Urban Meye is ready to coach again, he'll step right in.

[YouNeverKnow25]

Why does he "deserve" to retire in a better situation?

[dre2142]

Originally Posted by AbeFroman

Every time I come in here I get blasted for my opinion.

Only because you are constantly shoving it down everyones throat.

Look, the Ohio State fans in here know quite well that I dont like Ohio State...at all. But theres a mutual respect amongst the regulars in this thread......a mutual respect that you dont seem to understand..at least not yet. Youre coming off as really douchey.

In addition, I really think youre trying too hard. When this scandal first came about, way before the bowl games, even the die hard Ohio State fans were agreeing that the punishments were weak (allowing them to play in the bowl game). And after the bowl games when the 2nd part of this situation arose, they werent swinging from Jims nuts.

Originally Posted by AbeFroman

As a fan I do not see how you want him there anymore. It is not a MAC school, its not Indiana, its F'n tOSU. You call it "the" for crying out loud. How do you let a man tarnish one of the great universitys out there, and say well we won a lot. They have won a lot for 100 years.

I will admit I like to see pain at that school. But as a fan of the Big Ten, its sad. We are not the SEC.

Sure, hes tarnished the schools reputation, thats for sure. A school in a league that is not normally known for violations (like some other conferences out there, ahem).

[dre2142]

Originally Posted by YouNeverKnow25

Why does he "deserve" to retire in a better situation?

Because hes done a damn good job as head coach of that school.

On the other hand, dont do the crime if you cant do the time.

[YouNeverKnow25]

You can argue about the semantics of whether the violations are major or not, but the OSU football program is certainly known for its violations (given that they have reported more than any other school). I agree that self-reporting is the best way to go, but they do commit them, regardless of what any number of old white people try to tell you about how "they do it differently in The Big Ten."

[Lee3691]

Originally Posted by YouNeverKnow25

Why does he "deserve" to retire in a better situation?

He has done a lot for the university (as well has been a great coach). Now, I am not an alumni (but my parents are), so it's not for me to say whom I want as a representative for the school, but I still want him to retire in a better situation.

Tressel lied, and beyond even the suspension, his biggest punishment is the public scolding he is getting. However, let's put this in persepctive - it's not like the coach or the university is being accused of paying their players, and the organization that makes the rules is just as corrupt as the universities that the NCAA police's (see Fiesta Bowl situation). With the strange rulings, of both allowing the Ohio State players to play in the Sugar Bowl, as well as not making Cam Newton inelligble, as well as allowing these corrupt bowls to continue, the NCAA's creditibility is about as low as it can go.

[YouNeverKnow25]

I can't say I blame you because I'd do the same if I was in the same situation, but to me it seems like there is a lot of "well, it's different because this is our guy" going on in here.

[Lee3691]

Originally Posted by YouNeverKnow25

You can argue about the semantics of whether the violations are major or not, but the OSU football program is certainly known for its violations (given that they have reported more than any other school). I agree that self-reporting is the best way to go, but they do commit them, regardless of what any number of old white people try to tell you about how "they do it differently in The Big Ten."

Its my understanding that the Ohio State football program does not have the most violations, its the entire atheltic department. And, as it has been mentioned, Ohio State has the most college teams/athletes, so that number is a little misleading. Again, the coaches & players broke their rules and deserve their punishments, but getting discounts on tattoos and selling your property are not examples of a program is out of control. In fact, if you look at the amount of $$ the suspended players got in selling their property and discount on tatoos, it doesn't even add up to one game check for Cam Newton last year.

[AbeFroman]

Originally Posted by dre2142

Because hes done a damn good job as head coach of that school.

On the other hand, dont do the crime if you cant do the time.

This is not the 1st time JT has been in hot water. This time is worse than the last.

tOSU knew Woody had to go. They knew than what the program was about. Do you think they have the same standards now as when Woddy was let go? Is winning at all costs part of the tradition now, but was not then?

IMHO, the program must always come before the man.

[Lee3691]

Originally Posted by YouNeverKnow25

I can't say I blame you because I'd do the same if I was in the same situation, but to me it seems like there is a lot of "well, it's different because this is our guy" going on in here.

I think anytime you support a coach, there is a natural tendency to of course defend him - but I am not sure anyone is saying, its different because this is our guy. If Tressel is fired or resigns, it'll because of his mistakes, but my overall impression will still be positive.

[YouNeverKnow25]

Not to get into a back and forth, but saying that Tressel "deserves" to coach his two more years and not have this be the last thing that's remembered about him at OSU, when virtually every other coach who has committed this violation has either resigned or been fired, strikes me as saying that he deserves different treatment because he's your guy.

[Lee3691]

Originally Posted by YouNeverKnow25

Not to get into a back and forth, but saying that Tressel "deserves" to coach his two more years and not have this be the last thing that's remembered about him at OSU, when virtually every other coach who has committed this violation has either resigned or been fired, strikes me as saying that he deserves different treatment because he's your guy.

I am not sure if other coaches who've gone through similiar situations had the same tenure & success as Tressel. Bruce Pearl is the only other one I know about.

[AbeFroman]

Originally Posted by Lee3691

Its my understanding that the Ohio State football program does not have the most violations, its the entire atheltic department. And, as it has been mentioned, Ohio State has the most college teams/athletes, so that number is a little misleading. Again, the coaches & players broke their rules and deserve their punishments, but getting discounts on tattoos and selling your property are not examples of a program is out of control. In fact, if you look at the amount of $$ the suspended players got in selling their property and discount on tatoos, it doesn't even add up to one game check for Cam Newton last year.

The Big Ten, is not the SEC. They did it so we should do is BS, espically at the top. Oversigning is everywhere in the SEC, yet the B10 stands against it every year. A lot of the NCAA rules are odd, but they are the rules. taking a few hundred and taking $100,00 is looked at the same.

They are ok with the 5 games for the players selling their shit, thats not the issue any more. It is JT openly lying to the NCAA. They are no longer looking into the players.

[AbeFroman]

Originally Posted by Lee3691

I think anytime you support a coach, there is a natural tendency to of course defend him - but I am not sure anyone is saying, its different because this is our guy. If Tressel is fired or resigns, it'll because of his mistakes, but my overall impression will still be positive.

And every OSU fan loves Woody, doesnt mean he didint have to go.

[Lee3691]

Abe, since we know you are very much against people telling lies, let me ask you how long you should be suspended from ants for your own lie?

Originally Posted by AbeFroman

A couple weeks ago some people here were telling me I knew shit, JT did not do anything wrong, etc etc.
Now All you see is blinded BS from fans who can not handle the truth. JT is done. Another espn article spells it pretty clear.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/column...pat&id=6425516

Ohio State fans never told you that Tresel didn't do anything wrong.

[dre2142]

Originally Posted by YouNeverKnow25

I can't say I blame you because I'd do the same if I was in the same situation, but to me it seems like there is a lot of "well, it's different because this is our guy" going on in here.

Whos saying that? Have they said that those other coaches deserved getting fired?

[YouNeverKnow25]

Originally Posted by dre2142

Because hes done a damn good job as head coach of that school.

On the other hand, dont do the crime if you cant do the time.

I'd say that this qualifies. How good a job somebody did should have nothing to do with the NCAA's punishment when they break the rules.

You did qualify the statement with the latter sentence, though.

[dre2142]

Originally Posted by YouNeverKnow25

I'd say that this qualifies. How good a job somebody did should have nothing to do with the NCAA's punishment when they break the rules.

You did qualify the statement with the latter sentence, though.

NCAA hasnt ruled yet, have they? Has every other coach that has been deemed as violating the same rule been fired?

Is being fired a requirement? Not quite sure if youre understanding that.

[AbeFroman]

They can not make you fire him. Its the "show-cause" punishmnet that makes it horrible to even try and employ him.

[AbeFroman]

Originally Posted by Lee3691

Abe, since we know you are very much against people telling lies, let me ask you how long you should be suspended from ants for your own lie?



Ohio State fans never told you that Tresel didn't do anything wrong.

I will take back when I said here. I have a few different boards that I post at.

[proppenator]

Don't you think Tressel's going to have trouble recruiting players? I feel that this seriously hurts his credibility. In the interest of Ohio St's program he should resign so the school can move past this.

[YouNeverKnow25]

I am quite sure that I don't follow the stream of questions. Of course the NCAA hasn't ruled. Do you think that they magically will forget about the lies that Tressel told to them and his own administrators?

As to the second question, 159 of the 172 coaches accused of violated rule 10.1 have either resigned or been fired.

81 of those cases involved lying to the NCAA. 78 of those coaches were fired/resigned.

Losing one's job is most certainly not a requirement, but the evidence points to be it being an almost certainty.

[dre2142]

Originally Posted by AbeFroman

They can not make you fire him. Its the "show-cause" punishmnet that makes it horrible to even try and employ him.

Exactly. Thanks for the clarification.

Anything beyond that is at the schools discretion......

[dre2142]

Originally Posted by proppenator

Don't you think Tressel's going to have trouble recruiting players? I feel that this seriously hurts his credibility. In the interest of Ohio St's program he should resign so the school can move past this.

Nope. its still Ohio State....a leader in the Big 10.

[dre2142]

Originally Posted by YouNeverKnow25

I am quite sure that I don't follow the stream of questions. Of course the NCAA hasn't ruled. Do you think that they magically will forget about the lies that Tressel told to them and his own administrators?

As to the second question, 159 of the 172 coaches accused of violated rule 10.1 have either resigned or been fired.

Losing one's job is most certainly not a requirement, but the evidence points to be it being an almost certainty.

At the schools discretion, so a fan saying that they think he deserves to stay has NOTHING to do with the NCAA.