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Old 11-04-2010, 11:41 PM   #1
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Glen Ballard

Huhhhhhhhhhhhh...this video made me really despise him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUoUsFkdh94&feature=fvw

The comments he makes just show how out of touch he was with the essence of the band. Six songs in 2 or 3 days!! Oh man, they must be reeeal deep and creative! Thanks Glen!

Should of stuck with Lillywhite IMO.
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    Re: Glen Ballard

    DMB made a living off of jamming in the studio.

    knowing this ballard continues...

    "your live show is one thing, but the studio is supposed to be direct" or something along those lines. i hate that man and he is the reason why busted stuff wasnt as good.
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    DMB made a living off of jamming in the studio.

    knowing this ballard continues...

    "your live show is one thing, but the studio is supposed to be direct" or something along those lines. i hate that man and he is the reason why busted stuff wasnt as good.

    Seriously, they had all these songs almost finished and then good ol Glenny comes in and basically sticks Dave in a corner(before the band even shows mind you) and says "WRITE, BOY! WRITE! Quick before the band gets here and things get creative!"
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    Old 11-04-2010, 11:53 PM   #4
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    12 songs in a week. and yes, the band hadnt even gotten to LA yet. that whole ordeal was just tough to understand. and then they climaxed by going onto TRL to perform in front of carson daly. i watched in shock.

    ill never forget "this is just about as loud as nsync"
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    Honestly, Ballard got more out of them in a week than Batson was able to in however many months Stand Up took. So that's something. Just my opinion of course.
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    Honestly, Ballard got more out of them in a week than Batson was able to in however many months Stand Up took. So that's something. Just my opinion of course.
    everyday isnt even a DMB release. its almost a solo album.

    then they had the audacity in that charlie rose interview to say they felt like bigger professionals under ballards wing. that whole interview drove me insane.
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    Re: Glen Ballard

    I hate Ballard...but I thought the band didn't like the direction tLWS were heading...ie they were too dark and cyncial. I always thought it was said that Carter disliked the songs..

    then everything went to shit, Lillywhite and the band parted ways...in comes Ballard...

    But since all these years have passed...could those 10 or 12 days have saved the band? If things were really that bad during tLWS?? Maybe it's what they needed? Who knows. All I know is when ED came it, then tLWS leaked, it was such a kick in the balls...
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    everyday isnt even a DMB release. its almost a solo album.

    then they had the audacity in that charlie rose interview to say they felt like bigger professionals under ballards wing. that whole interview drove me insane.
    While I can certainly see why people would feel Everyday is a solo album, that doesn't really contradict what I said either.
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    It's like they were all brainwashed by his douchiness.
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    Old 11-05-2010, 12:03 AM   #10
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    I hate Ballard...but I thought the band didn't like the direction tLWS were heading...ie they were too dark and cyncial. I always thought it was said that Carter disliked the songs..

    then everything went to shit, Lillywhite and the band parted ways...in comes Ballard...

    But since all these years have passed...could those 10 or 12 days have saved the band? If things were really that bad during tLWS?? Maybe it's what they needed? Who knows. All I know is when ED came it, then tLWS leaked, it was such a kick in the balls...
    the switch set them back, no question. lillywhite was a scapegoat and the band gave up too easily.
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    I hate Ballard...but I thought the band didn't like the direction tLWS were heading...ie they were too dark and cyncial. I always thought it was said that Carter disliked the songs..
    Yea, in the video Dave mentions that Carter was the one to bring it up and suggested a new direction/producer.
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    Old 11-05-2010, 12:08 AM   #12
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    hilarious to see charlie rose read the lyrics to i did it as if he's reading sophisticated poetry or something.

    also, roi looks pissed.
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    Old 11-05-2010, 12:10 AM   #13
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    hilarious to see charlie rose read the lyrics to i did it as if he's reading sophisticated poetry or something.

    also, roi looks pissed.
    That's so painful to watch...it's like he knows the song is a POS and is letting Dave know in a Charlie Rose kind of way...

    I did it, I told you, I told you I did. I did it. yeah.
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    Old 11-05-2010, 12:14 AM   #14
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    i think you all need to calm down just a tad , maybe.... Hate is a strong word to say about this guy. he did his job, it's not like he forced dave and the band to make everyday.. judging from that interview, they seemed quite content(and arrogant) .. imo this is a good album, not great. Glenn ballard did was he was asked to do.
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    I really dislike Glen Ballard. Lillywhite was a masterpiece!! I can't believe that S. Lillywhite got fired for this guy!!
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    Everyone needs to stop getting boners over tLWS for real. Im totally content with the direction the band has went. We fail to realize that these guys are people too. They also have emotions and things going on in their lives that we don't know about. Glen Ballard did his job. Everybody might not agree with it, but he did his job just like he was supposed to. ED really isn't that bad of an album.
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    Being tighter with less jams is more listener friendly, this is true..... but those listeners can fuck themselves, the only things I want to hear from this band is what they want to play and HOW they want to play it. Because when it comes down to it it's about them having a good time and us sharing that experience.
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    Old 11-05-2010, 01:30 AM   #18
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    Everyone needs to stop getting boners over tLWS for real. Im totally content with the direction the band has went. We fail to realize that these guys are people too. They also have emotions and things going on in their lives that we don't know about. Glen Ballard did his job. Everybody might not agree with it, but he did his job just like he was supposed to. ED really isn't that bad of an album.
    Seriously, who are you to tell me which albums and which producers to get boners over. Plus I'm a chick so I don't really have a boner for either one of them. I am glad you have your opinion and I have mine which is fine. The difference is that you are telling me to not express my bonerage for a certain ablum. Sure it is completely fine for you to disagree with my opinion but telling someone not to have their own opinion about what they like misses the entire point of these message boards.
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    Everyone needs to stop getting boners over tLWS for real. Im totally content with the direction the band has went. We fail to realize that these guys are people too. They also have emotions and things going on in their lives that we don't know about. Glen Ballard did his job. Everybody might not agree with it, but he did his job just like he was supposed to. ED really isn't that bad of an album.
    I have to disagree with you on this. Until Big Whiskey was released...the band lost its way. Busted Stuff, while it released some of tLWS, it was toned downed (and we only got it bc the fans demanded it)...SU was a disaster (who replaces Carter with a drum machine)

    It's more than just Ballard's fault...it's the whole bands...though none of them admit it.

    I remember listening to ED...I didn't hate it, but it was radically different than BTCS...when I downloaded tLWS, which took hours back then, I was floored at what I was hearing. I was so angry that such awesome music was shelved for songs like I did it, fool to think, dreams of our fathers...

    Like I said, it was a kick to the balls.
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    I have to disagree with you on this. Until Big Whiskey was released...the band lost its way. Busted Stuff, while it released some of tLWS, it was toned downed (and we only got it bc the fans demanded it)...SU was a disaster (who replaces Carter with a drum machine)

    It's more than just Ballard's fault...it's the whole bands...though none of them admit it.

    I remember listening to ED...I didn't hate it, but it was radically different than BTCS...when I downloaded tLWS, which took hours back then, I was floored at what I was hearing. I was so angry that such awesome music was shelved for songs like I did it, fool to think, dreams of our fathers...

    Like I said, it was a kick to the balls.
    Wise men say stuff like this! Totally agree
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    Old 11-05-2010, 01:36 AM   #21
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    Everyone needs to stop getting boners over tLWS for real. Im totally content with the direction the band has went. We fail to realize that these guys are people too. They also have emotions and things going on in their lives that we don't know about. Glen Ballard did his job. Everybody might not agree with it, but he did his job just like he was supposed to. ED really isn't that bad of an album.
    Well you're in the minority.
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    It kinda feels like they took Ballard's dumb remarks and kept it. They haven't really ever gotten back to that nice mixture of live and studio. To me at least, most songs since that album feel almost rushed, like they're thinking "We can't go over 5 minutes we cant go over 5 minutes we can't go over five minutes"

    And it kinda translates to the live show as well. How many of the songs, Everyday and after, received an extended jam to it? Not many. To me, that's the true test of a song. What you can add to it in the live setting to make it better. These songs were, in Glen's words, tight, but they were so tight that there was no room left open to expand on them.

    Stupid Glen.
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    everyday isnt even a DMB release. its almost a solo album.

    then they had the audacity in that charlie rose interview to say they felt like bigger professionals under ballards wing. that whole interview drove me insane.
    the audacity? who do you think you are? does dmb owe you anything? the audacity?


    that's clearly how they felt at the time. i really dont think ED is as much Ballard's fault as it is the band's. Thats the direction they seemed to want to go. It's easy for them to look back on it 10 years later with some perspective and not like it as much, but this is what they wanted to do at the time
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    the audacity? who do you think you are? does dmb owe you anything? the audacity?


    that's clearly how they felt at the time. i really dont think ED is as much Ballard's fault as it is the band's. Thats the direction they seemed to want to go. It's easy for them to look back on it 10 years later with some perspective and not like it as much, but this is what they wanted to do at the time
    Don't owe me anything. That wasn't my point.
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    Sold out... I Did it

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    Ballard tried a different writing style with Dave. Nothing wrong with that.

    Instead of the band and Dave noodling around with the songs eventuallycoming to them, he changed it up by attempting to pick up the pace. Sometimes you get different results when you force your mind to do something it's not used to. From watching the documentary, it looked like Dave needed it.

    It's the same mentality of attempting to cram on an exam or paper, rather than have 3 weeks to prep....
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    When somebody is pressured to write songs that quickly, there's not much room for creativity. That's not to say someone can't write a great song in an hour. Someone can be suddenly inspired walking down the street and write a beautiful song because the thought came naturally. But when you just go in and sit down and say 'ok i have to write a whole song today' it becomes too mechanical and forced.

    If you write your own songs, you most likely agree.
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    Most uncomfortable thing I think I've ever seen: watching Dave get his lyrics read back to him from one of his worst songs.
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    I mean, here's Charlie Rose, and he thinks he's got a great idea. I'll take the lyrics from this guy's new song, who has written some amazing deep stuff before, read it back to him and we'll bask in the philosophical wonder that is Dave Matthews.

    Then he reads the lyrics of I Did It to Dave, and Dave's reaction is..."uhhh..."
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    When somebody is pressured to write songs that quickly, there's not much room for creativity. That's not to say someone can't write a great song in an hour. Someone can be suddenly inspired walking down the street and write a beautiful song because the thought came naturally. But when you just go in and sit down and say 'ok i have to write a whole song today' it becomes too mechanical and forced.

    If you write your own songs, you most likely agree.
    Agree with this completely. I don't write any music, but I do stand up comedy and some times when I have time, I sit down and try to write out jokes. But you really can't force it. You might get an alright idea here and there but nothing really special. Some of my best jokes have come to me while I was just going about life and the idea came up. You can't force creativity.
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