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Old 08-16-2017, 07:08 PM   #86431
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Yeah. That doesn't make it any less weird. And it damn sure doesn't mean you get to say you graduated "early" when you get a diploma in four years


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I mean did he specifically say that? Did he say “I’m graduating early” or has that just been written in literally every single article about him in the last several months? Even if he did, so what? Why do the semantics of it bother you anyways? Who gives a shit? It’s just bc you hate Duke. Got it.
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    I mean did he specifically say that? Did he say “I’m graduating early” or has that just been written in literally every single article about him in the last several months? Even if he did, so what? Why do the semantics of it bother you anyways? Who gives a shit? It’s just bc you hate Duke. Got it.


    No, he didn't say that. You did. I was correcting you, not him.


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    No, he didn't say that. You did. I was correcting you, not him.


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    You literally said “you don’t get to say that you graduated “early” when you get a diploma in four years.” If that’s directed at me, then you need to relearn how to phrase a sentence.
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    Old 08-16-2017, 07:27 PM   #86434
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    This is where people think bball players aren't real people when they clearly are

    If you spend 5 years in high school, no matter how many of those are spent playing basketball, you are graduating late

    There are no "redshirts" in high school.

    If your parents/guardians/handlers decide to make you repeat a grade or not progress toward a HS diploma so that you can play against less physically mature competition, so be it (it's weird but so be it), but you don't get to say you graduated "early" when you later realize that you're going to the NBA either way and should just go ahead and get that post-HS year out of the way now


    Another post directing it towards someone not named me...so....
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    Old 08-16-2017, 07:28 PM   #86435
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    I'm sorry I didn't know everything about him. I Googled him and didn't find anything specific on his high school. Maybe he repeated his freshman year, but Wikipedia and the articles it links does not suggest that.

    "Bagley attended Corona del Sol High School in Tempe, Arizona as a freshman and Hillcrest Prep in Phoenix, Arizona as a sophomore.[1] In 2016, he transferred to Sierra Canyon School in Chatsworth, California.[2][3] He was ruled ineligible to play his first year at Sierra Canyon due to California Interscholastic Federation (CIF) rules.[4][5] That ruling would help play a factor into reclassifying his senior year of high school up a year early."

    My original point was at some point of his high school career he either repeated a grade (maybe it was his freshman year) or he pulled a David Silver and did an entire extra year in there, all while attending three schools and playing AAU basketball during the summer. I guess if the plan was to reclassify all along, then it would have been easy to spread those classes out. I'm sure it was all happening behind the scenes. It just seems weird publicly for someone to reclassify 2 weeks before college classes start at a prestigious school and get everything taken care of. I guess I don't know the whole story.

    I don't really care either way. I still hate Duke either way.



    Well it may be weird to you or others, but fortunately that’s not what matters. I’ll just say that he’s been working towards this for some time now, and this isn’t something you can just do in “2 weeks before college classes start at a prestigious school and get everything taken care of.” That’s not how it works. At all. So no, you don’t know the whole story.

    It’s funny how stuff like this has happened before, and some aspects of it even happen all the time, yet when Duke’s involved everyone short circuits and gets so butthurt that they can’t even make coherent opinions about why they’re supposed to be upset. Goes to USC or UCLA, no one blinks
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    Old 08-17-2017, 02:14 AM   #86436
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    Yes, Duke is really being persecuted here


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    Cameron Reddish decision tonight.
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    Duke as expected. Also nice pick up for Kansas with de Sousa.

    Also, rip rollie and jud. Hopefully Denny crum is alright.

    And lute Olson getting a statue. Well deserved, he's a legend in Tucson.
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    Old 09-11-2017, 11:07 AM   #86439
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    Well it may be weird to you or others, but fortunately that’s not what matters. I’ll just say that he’s been working towards this for some time now, and this isn’t something you can just do in “2 weeks before college classes start at a prestigious school and get everything taken care of.” That’s not how it works. At all. So no, you don’t know the whole story.

    It’s funny how stuff like this has happened before, and some aspects of it even happen all the time, yet when Duke’s involved everyone short circuits and gets so butthurt that they can’t even make coherent opinions about why they’re supposed to be upset. Goes to USC or UCLA, no one blinks
    Because Duke is supposed to be a great academic institution. And everyone acts like "Duke does it different" and academics are a priority, etc.

    I just want all Duke fans to stop with that notion. You are exactly the same as every other school.
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    I really don't think duke fans in general or duke fans in here in particular act that way.
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    Old 09-12-2017, 07:20 AM   #86441
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    Because Duke is supposed to be a great academic institution. And everyone acts like "Duke does it different" and academics are a priority, etc.



    I just want all Duke fans to stop with that notion. You are exactly the same as every other school.


    I’m not sure how any of this is even relevant honestly.
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    Old 09-12-2017, 10:42 AM   #86442
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    there are few if any more successful teams than duke over the last decade+

    I was stunned to realize that duke hasn't been finished atop the acc standings since 2010 and hasn't won it outright since 2006.
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    I was bored today at work so I did a little comparison of UNC & Duke in the Roy Williams era. About as close as it gets IMO

    Duke leads overall winning percentage, .810 to .776
    Duke leads in head to head matchups, 18 to 12
    Carolina leads in regular season conference championships, 8 to 3
    Duke leads in conference tournament championships, 6 to 3
    Carolina leads in NCAA Tournament #1 seeds, 7 to 6
    Duke leads in NCAA tournament appearances 14 to 13
    Carolina leads in final four appearances, 5 to 3
    Carolina leads in NCAA Titles, 3 to 2
    Duke has been ranked AP#1 in 6 seasons, Carolina 5

    the head to head obviously weighs heavily in duke's favor but the extra title is big too. very close.
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    Now I know Crean was known to schedule his share of cupcakes at IU....but this Georgetown non-conference schedule is just hilarious. Last year's KenPom rankings in parentheses.

    Nov. 12: Jacksonville (275)
    Nov. 15: Mount St. Mary’s (209)
    Nov. 18: Maryland Eastern Shore (321)
    Nov. 25: at Richmond (92)
    Nov. 28: Maine (337)
    Dec. 3: Coppin State (343)
    Dec. 7: Howard (338)
    Dec. 9: North Carolina A&T (349)
    Dec. 16: Syracuse (55)
    Dec. 20: North Texas (320)
    Dec. 23: Alabama A&M (351)
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    Extremely pumped for this season, by the way. I don't think IU will be all that great, fringe tourney team probably, but they could surprise me. Just having a coach that values defense and taking care of the ball is going to be such a breath of fresh air.
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    Old 09-12-2017, 08:53 PM   #86446
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    I was bored today at work so I did a little comparison of UNC & Duke in the Roy Williams era. About as close as it gets IMO

    Duke leads overall winning percentage, .810 to .776
    Duke leads in head to head matchups, 18 to 12
    Carolina leads in regular season conference championships, 8 to 3
    Duke leads in conference tournament championships, 6 to 3
    Carolina leads in NCAA Tournament #1 seeds, 7 to 6
    Duke leads in NCAA tournament appearances 14 to 13
    Carolina leads in final four appearances, 5 to 3
    Carolina leads in NCAA Titles, 3 to 2
    Duke has been ranked AP#1 in 6 seasons, Carolina 5

    the head to head obviously weighs heavily in duke's favor but the extra title is big too. very close.


    It really is amazing how lucky we have been as fans to enjoy this amount of success between these two teams. No one wants to see consistent blowouts and no -NCAA berths etc year after year. I love this rivalry.
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    I can't wait for the season to start. I would do shameful things to get miller/Arizona to the final four.
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    Old 09-14-2017, 11:14 AM   #86448
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    Wish Tyler was around. Really wanting to hear about Mississippi State's team this year.
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    I have a feeling Tyler will be filling out a CBI bracket this year
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    I mean, if there's any coach out there I'd want to lead my team to the promised land it's Ben howland.
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    http://athleticdirectoru.com/article...sfer-movement/

    Interesting piece. I've always been amazed at the lack of attention schools (especially duke) receive from the routine transfers out of their programs.
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    I have a feeling Tyler will be filling out a CBI bracket this year
    I see their prized, stud recruit, Nick Weatherspoon, has already gotten a DUI since being on campus.

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    http://athleticdirectoru.com/article...sfer-movement/

    Interesting piece. I've always been amazed at the lack of attention schools (especially duke) receive from the routine transfers out of their programs.
    Not really sure why someone transferring warrants attention. Kids transfer all the time for a variety of different reasons, and pretty much every time it has happened at Duke is because of lack of playing time.
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    http://athleticdirectoru.com/article...sfer-movement/

    Interesting piece. I've always been amazed at the lack of attention schools (especially duke) receive from the routine transfers out of their programs.


    I’m pretty sure whenever someone transfers from Duke, they get attention. Plus, which one of their transfers was even a surprise...? Idk what your point is.
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    Old 09-15-2017, 09:56 AM   #86454
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    I’m pretty sure whenever someone transfers from Duke, they get attention. Plus, which one of their transfers was even a surprise...? Idk what your point is.
    It's the sheer volume... I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem that the other top programs have this issue (I primarily follow ACC, so it could be my own bias). Is it overpromising players? Recruiting over players? Poor recruiting? Bad environment? Bad luck?

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    It's the sheer volume... I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem that the other top programs have this issue (I primarily follow ACC, so it could be my own bias). Is it overpromising players? Recruiting over players? Poor recruiting? Bad environment? Bad luck?
    Probably poor recruiting and/or more talented players being brought in. You could probably also chalk some of it up to Coach K never going deep into the bench.

    For guys like Ojeleye and Gbinije who end up carving out good careers elsewhere, there's the Alex Murphys, Taylor Kings and Eric Boatengs.
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    It's the sheer volume... I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem that the other top programs have this issue (I primarily follow ACC, so it could be my own bias). Is it overpromising players? Recruiting over players? Poor recruiting? Bad environment? Bad luck?


    You should probably check how many transfers UVA has had over the past 6 years or so.

    It’s a combination of many things not the least of which these players are 18/19 year old kids who want to get playing time, be comfortable (some guys get home sick, some don’t like being yelled at etc), and ultimately find themselves and go through the whole growing up thing. There are a lot of reasons.

    I stand by what I said, what is your point anyways..? Why does it matter to you?
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    don't care at all about kids leaving duke. I suspect a fair portion of it is that recruiting rankings are not an exact science, kids necessarily believe their own hype, and then they are disappointed to find that they can't hack it. no problem with a kid leaving in that scenario, the same way I have no problem with a kid realizing he's way better now than when he left high school and wants to go taste the limelight.

    given duke's prominence it would be nice if they took a position of leadership re: asinine transfer restrictions, but that's wishful pie-in-the-sky thinking and not really duke's job, at all.
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    You should probably check how many transfers UVA has had over the past 6 years or so.

    It’s a combination of many things not the least of which these players are 18/19 year old kids who want to get playing time, be comfortable (some guys get home sick, some don’t like being yelled at etc), and ultimately find themselves and go through the whole growing up thing. There are a lot of reasons.

    I stand by what I said, what is your point anyways..? Why does it matter to you?
    Wow, you're quite bold to stand by what you said.

    It's an interesting part of a sport that I enjoy following. Maybe that's why the linked article was written. As it relates to duke, I find it interesting that a top-tier program, who many speak very highly of as it relates to how the program is run, has so many unhappy players. I think they average a transfer per year over the past decade or so. Seems like a lot of unhappy "18/19 year old kids".
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    Wow, you're quite bold to stand by what you said.



    It's an interesting part of a sport that I enjoy following. Maybe that's why the linked article was written. As it relates to duke, I find it interesting that a top-tier program, who many speak very highly of as it relates to how the program is run, has so many unhappy players. I think they average a transfer per year over the past decade or so. Seems like a lot of unhappy "18/19 year old kids".


    You can’t please everyone. Most of these kids are regarded as high level talent and are very highly rated out of high school. If they show up at Duke with mostly a team comprised of other high ranked talent, and they don’t get the playing time they want or feel like they deserve, then they leave. It happens. You’d probably do the same if you were in that position.

    Your obsession with Duke is strange.
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    You can’t please everyone. Most of these kids are regarded as high level talent and are very highly rated out of high school. If they show up at Duke with mostly a team comprised of other high ranked talent, and they don’t get the playing time they want or feel like they deserve, then they leave. It happens. You’d probably do the same if you were in that position.

    Your obsession with Duke is strange.
    It's strange that it happens so frequently at duke. That's all.
    Without you having any knowledge about me & what I'm actually obsessed with (or not), and why I'm obsessed (or not) about something, your assertions seem out of place. I do apologize for (seemingly) bothering you by bringing up a topic about a specific college basketball team regarding a particular college basketball topic in thread about college basketball.

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