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Old 06-27-2017, 07:40 AM   #2281
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Didnt say theyre a bigger draw now.

Look at it this way: an aging fanbase that for the most part has more money to spend now than 12 years ago... add in the itch people have had for them to return during that period of time. If you think tickets would be easy for those shows youre the one who is insane. Plus the lack of shows theyve played in CO recently would add a casual local fan draw... Look at the shows @ Dicks a few years ago, they sold great, and not many people traveled to those shows.
I don't understand what demand for tickets has to do with anything. Management would want a high demand. High demand = more tickets sold = more money. And the secondary market is called secondary for a reason. Prices would be normal for initial offering through LN/TM and the WH and then shoot up on the secondary market (as they always have and will for DMB).

There is no negative for the band/management there. They do not care about secondary market prices. In fact, management/band agreed to basically scalp their own tickets when they allowed LN/TM to sell half the orchestra section at every show this summer as a platinum ticket for 3 times face value.

Also, higher demand can be offset by adding more shows.
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    Nobody wants to sit on the lawn.... it's the worst lawn on the tour.

    Yes, Red Rocks would be a ticket mess but all I was saying is that can't be the reason they do not play there.

    People do sit on the lawn though. Local big fans with groups of friends and people who get shut out of the shell. N2 sold out in 16, so obviously people do sit on the lawn, they arent all just causal fans.

    Its definitely one of the main issues IMO. There are a variety of factors, im sure the crew stuff is a big one too.

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    Go look at the numbers for Dicks. Selling literally 50% of tickets over both shows is selling great?!
    If you say so.
    Now Fiddlers sold decent in 2015 but not Dicks in 2013.

    Dave and Tim played Saenger Theatre and Paramount Theatre in 14 and 15. Both 3K theatres. Much more demand for those. Stubhub prices were about 2 to 3 times face to get in. And that's for a 3K theatre.
    Sorry I meant Fiddlers. If im remembering correctly both nights had 15k-17k
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    Old 06-27-2017, 07:44 AM   #2283
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    Also, people with knowledge have mentioned before that Redrocks is booked literally years in advance and its very hard to get dates there. Its entirely possible that band isn't willing to commit to a set of shows 2 years in advance just so they can play redrocks.
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    Old 06-27-2017, 07:45 AM   #2284
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    I don't understand what demand for tickets has to do with anything. Management would want a high demand. High demand = more tickets sold = more money. And the secondary market is called secondary for a reason. Prices would be normal for initial offering through LN/TM and the WH and then shoot up on the secondary market (as they always have and will for DMB).

    There is no negative for the band/management there. They do not care about secondary market prices. In fact, management/band agreed to basically scalp their own tickets when they allowed LN/TM to sell half the orchestra section at every show this summer as a platinum ticket for 3 times face value.

    Also, higher demand can be offset by adding more shows.
    Demand isnt an issue there though, tickets would sell out without question.
    I agree for the most part management doesnt care, but they would no doubt get backlash about ticketing issues... IMO I think something that gets overlooked is that the WH would probably get such an insanely small amount of tickets because of TM, especially good ones. We see it across other venues, but it would be magnified @ RR.
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    Old 06-27-2017, 07:46 AM   #2285
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    Demand isnt an issue there though, tickets would sell out without question.

    I agree for the most part management doesnt care, but they would no doubt get backlash about ticketing issues... IMO I think something that gets overlooked is that the WH would probably get such an insanely small amount of tickets because of TM, especially good ones. We see it across other venues, but it would be magnified @ RR.
    Weren't you saying that ticket prices would be so high that management wouldn't want the band to play there bc historically dmb has low ticket prices?

    Ticket prices rise bc of demand so isn't demand what you are getting at?
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    Also, people with knowledge have mentioned before that Redrocks is booked literally years in advance and its very hard to get dates there. Its entirely possible that band isn't willing to commit to a set of shows 2 years in advance just so they can play redrocks.
    That could definitely be an issue.


    I just think overall its a headache for the band, crew and management, and its just easier to avoid it all together than doing it, when they can sell more tickets at a place like fiddlers, avoid the headache and make more money.
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    Old 06-27-2017, 07:50 AM   #2287
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    Weren't you saying that ticket prices would be so high that management wouldn't want the band to play there bc historically dmb has low ticket prices?

    Ticket prices rise bc of demand so isn't demand what you are getting at?
    I meant secondary ticket prices. They wouldnt raise regular tickets just at RR because its RR, at least not more than marginally.

    Again, I just think it adds to the headache. They would be dealing with lots of upset WH members and upset fans in general because of how expensive and difficult it would be to get them for all nights, and DMB doesnt see those inflated rates, they just get the standard face value.
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    Old 06-27-2017, 07:55 AM   #2288
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    That could definitely be an issue.


    I just think overall its a headache for the band, crew and management, and its just easier to avoid it all together than doing it, when they can sell more tickets at a place like fiddlers, avoid the headache and make more money.
    Ding, Ding......we have our answer!!!

    Exactly what I was gonna say, why would they play a smaller venue that historically is a logistics nightmare when you can play a much larger venue, sell more tickets and make more money! It actually makes perfect sense!
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    Old 06-27-2017, 07:56 AM   #2289
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    I meant secondary ticket prices. They wouldnt raise regular tickets just at RR because its RR, at least not more than marginally.

    Again, I just think it adds to the headache. They would be dealing with lots of upset WH members and upset fans in general because of how expensive and difficult it would be to get them for all nights, and DMB doesnt see those inflated rates, they just get the standard face value.
    Right and secondary ticket prices as directly affected by demand.
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    Right and secondary ticket prices as directly affected by demand.
    Im not really sure what youre saying then. Demand would be extremely high, higher than any shows in the last decade plus, therefore secondary ticket prices would be ridiculous. B/c of that, WH members for example would be very upset when they get approved for 1 of 3 shows (if theyre lucky), and have to drop 400 per ticket for 4 other tickets to the other two nights just to make it worth traveling out there.
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    Ding, Ding......we have our answer!!!

    Exactly what I was gonna say, why would they play a smaller venue that historically is a logistics nightmare when you can play a much larger venue, sell more tickets and make more money! It actually makes perfect sense!
    Correct. They don't play in Colorado often as is, so when they do they are going to play a place that can fit 15K or so.

    And the crew stuff is correct. The guy that runs the ship is not a fan of the logistics there. But even tho the crew doesn't like it, if it held 15K instead of 9500 they'd play there. They just aren't going to leave cash on the table especially in a market they don't play often as it is. 05 they released a box set so that helped to recoup some that they would've had if they played a bigger place.
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    It is absolutely a reason. DMB has kept their ticket prices relatively low. They would be the most in demand shows this band has played in well over a decade. Secondary market would be absolutely absurd and the amount of scalpers overloading TM for tickets would be ridiculous. People would be furious, and rightly so. Its not a stretch at all to say thats a major factor.



    SPAC ticketing wouldnt even compare to the demand red rocks shows would bring.
    You're flat out wrong assuming the management gives a flying fuck about fans butthurt over tickets, what fucking world are you living in?
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    why does this fanbase care so much about red rocks? go see any of the other 20 bands that play there each year
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    After Farm Aid I'll start the 2018 thread, they probably won't lock it then. For now, I'll start 2018 in here.

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    No source but I would put Aug 31, Sept 1 and 2 for Gorge, can't see it not happening
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    You're flat out wrong assuming the management gives a flying fuck about fans butthurt over tickets, what fucking world are you living in?
    Im saying they dont want to have to listen to complaints and piss off lots of fans. Thats not saying they care what happens once their tickets are sold.

    If you read my others posts you would understand that I said thats just one aspect of the reasoning.
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    Old 06-27-2017, 11:49 AM   #2297
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    No source but I would put Aug 31, Sept 1 and 2 for Gorge, can't see it not happening
    THU, FRI, SAT with Guns N Roses playing SUN? I don't see it happening
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    THU, FRI, SAT with Guns N Roses playing SUN? I don't see it happening
    Pretty sure they were referencing those dates for 2018 AKA Labor Day Weekend next year.
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    Im saying they dont want to have to listen to complaints and piss off lots of fans. Thats not saying they care what happens once their tickets are sold.

    If you read my others posts you would understand that I said thats just one aspect of the reasoning.
    Their current fan club ticket distribution process is already the most complicated, complained about process of any band, to the point they turned their phones off

    They don't care, as long as most shows still sell out, or come close to selling out
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    Pretty sure they were referencing those dates for 2018 AKA Labor Day Weekend next year.
    Ah, my bad, but a good reason to have separate 2017 and 2018 rumor threads
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    Random thought: Assuming and hoping they don't ever go back to 2 sets, anybody think they'll bring openers back for Summer 2018?
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    Their current fan club ticket distribution process is already the most complicated, complained about process of any band, to the point they turned their phones off

    They don't care, as long as most shows still sell out, or come close to selling out
    I agree they dont. But I think if they did Red Rocks it would really shine a bright light into how shitty the process is (approving new members etc) because demands vs approvals would be at such a stark difference compared to any other venue in even somewhat recent memory, especially since this shift in their ticketing procedure seemed to pop up around 2010.

    Plus I think TM would handcuff them more than normal because they know what they could charge for those 'premium' tickets for a show in as high demand as they would be.


    Overall point being... its a lose-lose situation for the band and management. Not much upside to holding the shows overall.
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    Ah, my bad, but a good reason to have separate 2017 and 2018 rumor threads
    I guess I'll fire up 2018 and hope they don't lock it.
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    I started 2018 to keep everything separate. This is the last 2017 rumors post I posted a little while back. Is there anything new to add to this one? I don't recall seeing any other 2017 rumors in a while.

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    So much for:

    1) DMB at the Gorge
    2) Dave solo album
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    4) West coast shows


    in 2017 lol....
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    1) DMB at the Gorge
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    in 2017 lol....
    Many were right on tho.
    And it goes without saying that things can be planned and then things for whatever reason change. Best example would be the Dallas shows in January that were originally scheduled for CHICAGO. Someone even found legal documents for the shows being in CHICAGO and then later changed.
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    Im saying they dont want to have to listen to complaints and piss off lots of fans. Thats not saying they care what happens once their tickets are sold.

    If you read my others posts you would understand that I said thats just one aspect of the reasoning.
    I read your posts, and you're still just wrong. They do NOT care, they don't take complaints, they don't listen to them, they don't take any into consideration, its a non-issue for them.
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    And to take it one step further, I bet band mgmt, Capshaw, Live Nation, etc would LOVE to see the band in the news for instantly selling out a multi-night Red Rocks stop (resulting in tens of thousands left without tickets..."we give everyone a chance to get tickets, unfortunately not everyone can go")

    They aren't avoiding high demand stops in order to avoid a lack of ticket supply
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    I read your posts, and you're still just wrong. They do NOT care, they don't take complaints, they don't listen to them, they don't take any into consideration, its a non-issue for them.
    They care if it ends up affecting their bottom line.. ie: people quitting the Warehouse.

    Maybe the other reasons are stronger, but I still think there is something to be said about knowingly going to a venue thats going to create unmatched ticket hysteria and anger long time customers due to their known shitty ticketing system/lack of available tickets to members, when they can just avoid it all and go to fiddlers.


    All im really getting at with this is they know they can avoid that headache by not going there. Just because they dont actively care to take complaints or right wrongs they cause doesnt mean theyd be okay with pissing off a ton of their paying customers when the alternative is carrying on business as usual.
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    They care if it ends up affecting their bottom line.. ie: people quitting the Warehouse.

    Maybe the other reasons are stronger, but I still think there is something to be said about knowingly going to a venue thats going to create unmatched ticket hysteria and anger long time customers due to their known shitty ticketing system/lack of available tickets to members, when they can just avoid it all and go to fiddlers.


    All im really getting at with this is they know they can avoid that headache by not going there. Just because they dont actively care to take complaints or right wrongs they cause doesnt mean theyd be okay with pissing off a ton of their paying customers when the alternative is carrying on business as usual.

    The ticket nightmare has nothing to do with them not playing Red Rocks. They sold out to Live Nation and sell platinum tickets for $1,200 a pair for shows now..... they don't "care" about the issues fans will face getting tickets to shows at Red Rocks
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