Black Friday Record Store Day 2018: Prism '93 and C'Ville '94

[BTBaboon]

Updated ISO List for BFRSD 2018:

BTBaboon
tubaguy1145
Thesongilike
Whereareyougoin
hushguppie
Roose13
jl1982
mdel21
cjavors
RSSR
trei
dmbclstj2
chadizzy1
DMBlunts
firedancer34
BlueWater13
Floyd47 (preference for '93 Prism, but seeking both)
smulhern19
bballman720
BustedAdam
jbombs16
crashintonickdm
DEMITRI
thefiredancer05
MiniFlynny34
remem_trax
pigsmarching8
djamieb (Seeking Prism '93)
Madnana
GrozPhan (Seeking Trax '94)
Fpuonpko
jamorg7
wmg21
fliptcb2
keenan9
ElijahSoRight72 (Seeking the 7")

Click the "Show Spoiler" Button to reveal hidden text.

Unless specified, assume that all on the list are seeking both releases & the free 7" of Again and Again b/w She. I will make a note next to a name if they only are after 1 release, or if they have stated a preference for one over the other.

I'm doing my best to keep up with the list but please let me know if I've missed anyone

[BTBaboon]

Originally Posted by chadizzy1

With that low press count, I have a feeling I’m gonna end up on eBay for these.

I imagine each one will be around $200-250 each. The 7” probably $50-$100

My guess is that initially they'll spike to $200, but they should bounce around at the $100-$150 mark if there is ineed a black pressing down the road. The 7" will end up around $50 I think. I can't see that fetching much more. It's two meh songs from the latest album. I don't know how much widespread love that will draw outside of the rarity factor.

[crashintonickdm]

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F302945293473

[nerrfhearder]

Please add me to the list for both. Will try my luck as always but my store usually only gets one if any.

[BTBaboon]

Updated ISO List for BFRSD 2018:

BTBaboon
tubaguy1145
Thesongilike
Whereareyougoin
hushguppie
Roose13
jl1982
mdel21
cjavors
RSSR
trei
dmbclstj2
chadizzy1
DMBlunts
firedancer34
BlueWater13
Floyd47 (preference for '93 Prism, but seeking both)
smulhern19
bballman720
BustedAdam
jbombs16
crashintonickdm
DEMITRI
thefiredancer05
MiniFlynny34
remem_trax
pigsmarching8
djamieb (Seeking Prism '93)
Madnana
GrozPhan (Seeking Trax '94)
Fpuonpko
jamorg7
wmg21
fliptcb2
keenan9
ElijahSoRight72 (Seeking the 7")
nerrfhearder

Click the "Show Spoiler" Button to reveal hidden text.

Unless specified, assume that all on the list are seeking both releases & the free 7" of Again and Again b/w She. I will make a note next to a name if they only are after 1 release, or if they have stated a preference for one over the other.

I'm doing my best to keep up with the list but please let me know if I've missed anyone

[DEMITRI]

Anyone know any shops in Chicago/NW suburbs that would get this? Rolling Stones isn’t getting it apparently and only really got into vinyl two years ago so I’m not super familiar with a lot of other shops.

[cjavors]

Originally Posted by DEMITRI

Anyone know any shops in Chicago/NW suburbs that would get this? Rolling Stones isn’t getting it apparently and only really got into vinyl two years ago so I’m not super familiar with a lot of other shops.

Shuga records and Reckless Records will have it.

[rhizingbines]

Originally Posted by BTBaboon

I don't blame them one bit. I'm ready for RSD to be put to an end.

Originally Posted by but1well

Really? why?

Originally Posted by BTBaboon

It floods the pressing plants with a lot of junk that gets priority. The day was initially meant to support local record stores, but more than ever it's just a cash grab for the major labels. Many stores have to take on debt just to buy-in for the releases; which they don't know what their allotment will be until the order arrives. And when they get stuck holding many copies of lame releases and get screwed out of getting the hot ticket ones, it becomes a dicey situation.

From a collectors perspective, it drives up price on otherwise low-value records that are usually not well mastered or pressed; and it often results in the good stuff ending up in the hands of flippers.


I liked the idea of it, but execution has never been perfect and it seems to get worse each year.

This is such a ridiculous post. As the beer sponsor for RSD, I work very closely with record stores across the southeast organizing RSD events. Don’t get me wrong, there are bad business owners out there who invest their dollars too heavily but the vast majority of record stores I deal with see RSD as the single most important day of the year. We’ve been planning events at some since June of this year. A bad record store day can mean a bad year for most.

Record Store Day does exactly what it aims to do - bring business to independent record stores. It’s not entirely about the releases and for many it’s not about the releases at all. It’s about supporting the shops themselves no matter what you’re purchasing.

Now, if you’re referring to BFRSD then you’re right that more stores are starting to pull away from it. But April RSD? Please.

I think I’m allowed to finally say publicly that Dead & Company will be very heavily involved in the promotion of RSD in 2019 and it will drive a ton of business to otherwise struggling shops.

Originally Posted by chadizzy1

Since there's only 1,000, I imagine some of us will be ending up buying on eBay. I imagine I'll be having to pay $200 for each of these releases. With only 1000 out there I doubt that many extras will be able to be purchased.

This.

Originally Posted by BustedAdam

Every record store day one of you posts about this awesome shop in Florida that ships and I have been able to get both RR and Luther from them by calling in the afternoon after their crowds die down. I cannot for the life of me remember their name though. Anyone have any clue what store I'm talking about? Might be worth compiling a list of stores that we know ship.

See below

Originally Posted by chadizzy1

If you have stores that will hold one for you, don't post it

My store used to hold things for us regular customers and they got in big trouble with RSD a few years back and had to stop doing it.

[DEMITRI]

Originally Posted by cjavors

Shuga records and Reckless Records will have it.

Cool thanks

[BTBaboon]

Originally Posted by rhizingbines

This is such a ridiculous post. As the beer sponsor for RSD, I work very closely with record stores across the southeast organizing RSD events. Don’t get me wrong, there are bad business owners out there who invest their dollars too heavily but the vast majority of record stores I deal with see RSD as the single most important day of the year. We’ve been planning events at some since June of this year. A bad record store day can mean a bad year for most.

Record Store Day does exactly what it aims to do - bring business to independent record stores. It’s not entirely about the releases and for many it’s not about the releases at all. It’s about supporting the shops themselves no matter what you’re purchasing.

Now, if you’re referring to BFRSD then you’re right that more stores are starting to pull away from it. But April RSD? Please.

I think I’m allowed to finally say publicly that Dead & Company will be very heavily involved in the promotion of RSD in 2019 and it will drive a ton of business to otherwise struggling shops.

But it isn't ridiculous because it's mostly true. Yes, some stores do great. But RSD neglects so many small stores and cities, the titles are extremely low profit, and fufillment is such a gamble.

None of your post addressed any of the other criticisms either. Pressing plant capacity, manufactured rarity, and flippers are all huge issues.

The idea of RSD was great, but it's just not well executed. As others noted, there's many stores that have dropped out or actively promote against RSD. If the day was as great as you want to paint it, that wouldn't be the case.

[BTBaboon]

Also, FWIW, the post asking about stores that ship and Chad saying to not post stores that will hold a copy are 2 different things.

Holding a title for a person is against RSD rules and that store could get blacklisted if they aren't careful. But shipping RSD titles after the day of is completely fine and many places do that (Bullmoose is one of the bigger ones).

[rhizingbines]

Originally Posted by BTBaboon

But it isn't ridiculous because it's mostly true. Yes, some stores do great. But RSD neglects so many small stores and cities, the titles are extremely low profit, and fufillment is such a gamble.

None of your post addressed any of the other criticisms either. Pressing plant capacity, manufactured rarity, and flippers are all huge issues.

The idea of RSD was great, but it's just not well executed. As others noted, there's many stores that have dropped out or actively promote against RSD. If the day was as great as you want to paint it, that wouldn't be the case.

Well what you don’t seem to realize is that isn’t the case. At all. Even the smallest record stores that I deal with get excited about RSD - even if they aren’t buying RSD releases. I actually find that smaller record stores are more receptive to RSD promotions and parties than some of the larger shops.

There are thrift stores that happen to sell records that have opted not to participate in RSD but as far as actual record stores go - I’ve encountered maybe two who have opted to not participate in the program in the five years we’ve been supporting it. Those stores have been in rural areas and catered to a much older demographic. I have yet to encounter a record store in the SE that “actively promotes against it”.

There aren’t many topics I can comment on with as much certainty as I have this one but please understand that this is what I do for a living. What you’re claiming is so far from reality that it’s almost laughable.

Also, I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make regarding pressing plants or rarity of items which is why I didn’t address it. That has no impact on the massive boost in business that record stores see as a result of a single day.

Originally Posted by BTBaboon

Also, FWIW, the post asking about stores that ship and Chad saying to not post stores that will hold a copy are 2 different things.

Holding a title for a person is against RSD rules and that store could get blacklisted if they aren't careful. But shipping RSD titles after the day of is completely fine and many places do that (Bullmoose is one of the bigger ones).

[BTBaboon]

Originally Posted by rhizingbines

Well what you don’t seem to realize is that isn’t the case. At all. Even the smallest record stores that I deal with get excited about RSD - even if they aren’t buying RSD releases. I actually find that smaller record stores are more receptive to RSD promotions and parties than some of the larger shops.

There are thrift stores that happen to sell records that have opted not to participate in RSD but as far as actual record stores go - I’ve encountered maybe two who have opted to not participate in the program in the five years we’ve been supporting it. Those stores have been in rural areas and catered to a much older demographic. I have yet to encounter a record store in the SE that “actively promotes against it”.

There aren’t many topics I can comment on with as much certainty as I have this one but please understand that this is what I do for a living. What you’re claiming is so far from reality that it’s almost laughable.

There were 2 posts on the last page explaining exactly what I said:

https://antsmarching.org/forum/showp...&postcount=104

https://antsmarching.org/forum/showp...&postcount=105

There's been a lot written about why RSD isn't all it is cracked up to be for many stores:

http://www.factmag.com/2015/04/14/re...m-or-solution/

http://thequietus.com/articles/19946...eissues-bleugh

https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...ord-shop-drift

I'm not saying this as just my own opinion. It's one that's shared by a ton of people. It's great that your tangential relationship with the event has been beneficial, and that you have personal experiences with the event day. But that doesn't mean that it's universally loved.

Originally Posted by rhizingbines

I think you need to go back and read it, you're missing what was said. Shipping excess titles after event day is 100% permitted and often is helpful to those who missed out. Again, Bullmoose does a great job at this.

[rhizingbines]

Originally Posted by BTBaboon

There were 2 posts on the last page explaining exactly what I said:

https://antsmarching.org/forum/showp...&postcount=104

https://antsmarching.org/forum/showp...&postcount=105

There's been a lot written about why RSD isn't all it is cracked up to be for many stores:

http://www.factmag.com/2015/04/14/re...m-or-solution/

http://thequietus.com/articles/19946...eissues-bleugh

https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...ord-shop-drift

I'm not saying this as just my own opinion. It's one that's shared by a ton of people. It's great that your tangential relationship with the event has been beneficial, and that you have personal experiences with the event day. But that doesn't mean that it's universally loved.

Those three articles are talking about complaints from record labels - not record stores. Retail record outlets are intended to be the main beneficiary of Record STORE Day and they are.

If you’re arguing that it puts an unnecessary burden on record labels, then you’re probably correct. Your articles support that. But what you’re arguing is that record stores are against RSD. I’m sure there are exceptions but that statement is almost entirely false. As one of your articles states, RSD and Christmas are the two biggest profit generators for independent record stores.

I think you need to go back and read it, you're missing what was said. Shipping excess titles after event day is 100% permitted and often is helpful to those who missed out. Again, Bullmoose does a great job at this.

You’re reaching to prove a point here...

[BTBaboon]

Originally Posted by rhizingbines

Those three articles are talking about complaints from record labels - not record stores.

So...you didn't read those articles I guess. The second is written by a shop owner, the 3rd is about record stores.

Originally Posted by rhizingbines

You’re reaching to prove a point here...

I'm curious what you think that discussion was about, and how I'm reaching?

[jbombs16]

Any thoughts on if these releases will be followed by black vinyl releases through the Warehouse? Where the previous RSD releases "RSD exclusive" or "RSD first releases" ?

[BTBaboon]

I'd certainly hope they do. But you never know with this band. Getting it right in the past doesn't mean they will in the future.

Also, got to see these releases in person. They sound great! It does not look like the 7" will be hard to find at all. So that's at least good.

[jbombs16]

Originally Posted by BTBaboon

I'd certainly hope they do. But you never know with this band. Getting it right in the past doesn't mean they will in the future.

Also, got to see these releases in person. They sound great! It does not look like the 7" will be hard to find at all. So that's at least good.

I hope so too. Just unsure given the "limited Run" category for these RSD releases. If the previous Live trax RSD were "RSD exclusive," I would be more optimistic that these will be released on black. I just cannot remember their classifications.

[rhizingbines]

So the record store near me is by far the largest in Florida. They just got their shipment and they only got 1 copy of each of these releases. They tried to order much more than that. The second biggest store in Florida (and biggest in Miami) got none.

[elipack]

Im just stoked they are only going to cost 50$!!!!!!

[ioread]

I spoke with my local record store today and they said there was some production issues so if there are any out there they will be scarce. This really bums me out sense it just allows the flippers to make more money, Good luck everyone.

[MR_ESTEVEZ]

Originally Posted by rhizingbines

So the record store near me is by far the largest in Florida. They just got their shipment and they only got 1 copy of each of these releases. They tried to order much more than that. The second biggest store in Florida (and biggest in Miami) got none.

Sweat Records?

[jwrice5]

Originally Posted by elipack

Im just stoked they are only going to cost 50$!!!!!!

Is this true?

[BTBaboon]

Originally Posted by jwrice5

Is this true?

More or less. Some stores will be $50, some may be as high as $60ish

Bullmoose has theirs marked at $47.97

https://www.bullmoose.com/p/28166403...ck-friday-2018

https://www.bullmoose.com/p/28166402...ck-friday-2018

[bballman720]

If you read the Bull Moose description, it hints that there will be a black release.

"LIMITED EDITION (1000 COPIES) 4 X WHITE VINYL BOX SET PLUS DMB Again and Again� b/w She 7"� added value with purchase Archival release for the first time on vinyl."

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by BTBaboon

There were 2 posts on the last page explaining exactly what I said:

https://antsmarching.org/forum/showp...&postcount=104

https://antsmarching.org/forum/showp...&postcount=105

There's been a lot written about why RSD isn't all it is cracked up to be for many stores:

http://www.factmag.com/2015/04/14/re...m-or-solution/

http://thequietus.com/articles/19946...eissues-bleugh

https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...ord-shop-drift

I'm not saying this as just my own opinion. It's one that's shared by a ton of people. It's great that your tangential relationship with the event has been beneficial, and that you have personal experiences with the event day. But that doesn't mean that it's universally loved.

This is a good one too - https://www.economist.com/prospero/2...cord-store-day

Buffalo's largest stores, Record Theater, loved the event 8 years ago but said it quickly lost its lustre for the same reasons. Sadly both stores are closed now.

Almost all independent record stores in Canada that don't have "Sunrise" in their name, loathe RSD. Huge conflict of interests with Sunrise here on how the event is run.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by elipack

Im just stoked they are only going to cost 50$!!!!!!

Probably tells us all we need to know about where they're being pressed.

[BTBaboon]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

Probably tells us all we need to know about where they're being pressed.

They're pressed at MRP, I believe.

[BTBaboon]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

This is a good one too - https://www.economist.com/prospero/2...cord-store-day

Buffalo's largest stores, Record Theater, loved the event 8 years ago but said it quickly lost its lustre for the same reasons. Sadly both stores are closed now.

Almost all independent record stores in Canada that don't have "Sunrise" in their name, loathe RSD. Huge conflict of interests with Sunrise here on how the event is run.

Sucked when Record Theater closed. They were one of the best. I used to visit their Rochester shop when it was open.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by BTBaboon

They're pressed at MRP, I believe.

Probably plated by GZ then, wonder if they also use GZ's very sensitive-to-handling compound. Not fond of GZ at all.

I've read Sony press a lot of records there, but Sony is the worst major label for vinyl...rarely ever taking the care necessary and quite content to just send aggressive digital masterings out for press.