Crazy Thought - DMB is morphing into DM+F

[Cptn. Monkeyman]

Originally Posted by dancheatham

Waldo coined that one about 18 years ago now
https://nancies.org/articles/010921.shtml

This really is when the shift came. The band clearly was going through turmoil that started with the 2000 Busted Stuff sessions, and really went on till Roi died.

My opinion is a bit different than most, but I think 2001-2008 (Everyday, Some Devil, Stand Up, tBS, Eh Hee) is evidence that Dave wanted to do his own thing. We've all heard the story about the letter in 2007. In my opinion, Big Whiskey and Roi's passing are what brought the band back together again. And that is the best record they released as a band since BTCS. (I love Busted Stuff, but it is clear that they shoed it in)

It seems to me like Dave is starting to move back towards wanting to do his own thing. This is only based on interviews and Come Tomorrow (which I enjoy)

To echo others sentiment, as long as Carter and Fonz are Dave's rhythm section, it is DMB

[gia_rootdivine]

I do sort of consider the Come Tomorrow album and era to be something of a new debut for the group!

While optimistic, i think there is a high chance of the next two albums being incredible!!

Now that Buddy is a full band member, i think it will open up Dave's songwriting, and change how the whole band can work in the studio!!

[TwoStep2888]

bands lose and gain members all the time, things change, I still consider it all DMB

[ToySoldier#34]

Originally Posted by LetYouDown22

Since the passing of Roi, DMB has been doing a fantastic job of adapting/evolving. I’d never expect them to sound or do what they’ve done pre-Roi passing, as it’s just not very reasonable and it’s out of their control. They are still THE band I look forward to seeing each year.

Yeah, I've seen most of my favorite bands / musicians over the last couple years and there have been great nights, but still nothing compares to DMB live for me and it isn't close.

[Cptn. Monkeyman]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

Yeah, I've seen most of my favorite bands / musicians over the last couple years and there have been great nights, but still nothing compares to DMB live for me and it isn't close.

[YankeesDMB41]

the DMB story ends whenever Carter decides he's done. My guess is that Dave will keep this machine going (albeit on a much much smaller schedule) for another 6-10 years until Carter eventually retires. When that time comes, they will have a farewell tour that ends in Charlottesville, and Dave will perform with Tim/by himself for the rest of his career. That last Charlottesville show is the end of DMB, whenever that may be. That's the reality of the DMB story. Anyone saying that DMB died in 2008, or that Come Tomorrow isn't DMB, is giving their own overly-dramatic opinion, which they are certainly entitled to have. DMB stops being DMB when Dave says so.

[notorious v.i.g]

Yeah I think people overthink and overreact to everything this band does. I also think this is why Dave is the way he is. They tend to evolve rather than change drastically and suddenly. I enjoyed D+F a lot but I don't think Dave is consciously trying to bring that back. Roi is gone and Boyd also and there is nothing they can do about that. They aren't going to force something to try replace them. Overall I think the band is in a pretty good spot when you look at things from a 30k feet so to speak.

[dontdrink36]

Originally Posted by YankeesDMB41

the DMB story ends whenever Carter decides he's done. My guess is that Dave will keep this machine going (albeit on a much much smaller schedule) for another 6-10 years until Carter eventually retires. When that time comes, they will have a farewell tour that ends in Charlottesville, and Dave will perform with Tim/by himself for the rest of his career. That last Charlottesville show is the end of DMB, whenever that may be. That's the reality of the DMB story. Anyone saying that DMB died in 2008, or that Come Tomorrow isn't DMB, is giving their own overly-dramatic opinion, which they are certainly entitled to have. DMB stops being DMB when Dave says so.

I think there is a lot of truth to this. I could also see Dave starting up a new D&F after DMB is done for when he wants to be a rock star and not just an acoustic duo.

[Roose13]

Originally Posted by SeanMH

when Carter dies/leaves so does the band

then its just D+T

What the fuck is this nonsense? He's 61

[Madnana]

Originally Posted by TheLastPig

Have you listened to the album Come Tomorrow?

Yes, I have. And with the exception of songs like TGIY, When I'm Weary and Here On Out, it sounds like a full band album to me. Of course I wish there was more of Jeff on it, etc. There are more than a few flaws with the album, but I always have to laugh when people claim it's not a DMB album. Carter & Fonz are all over this thing!

Originally Posted by YankeesDMB41

Dave, Carter and Stefan still make them Dave Matthews Band. Sorry.

1000% this.

[ToySoldier#34]

Originally Posted by Madnana

Yes, I have. And with the exception of songs like TGIY, When I'm Weary and Here On Out, it sounds like a full band album to me. Of course I wish there was more of Jeff on it, etc. There are more than a few flaws with the album, but I always have to laugh when people claim it's not a DMB album. Carter & Fonz are all over this thing!

Fonz's playing on ViTR caught my attention a few days ago

[TheLastPig]

Originally Posted by YankeesDMB41

the DMB story ends whenever Carter decides he's done. My guess is that Dave will keep this machine going (albeit on a much much smaller schedule) for another 6-10 years until Carter eventually retires. When that time comes, they will have a farewell tour that ends in Charlottesville, and Dave will perform with Tim/by himself for the rest of his career. That last Charlottesville show is the end of DMB, whenever that may be. That's the reality of the DMB story. Anyone saying that DMB died in 2008, or that Come Tomorrow isn't DMB, is giving their own overly-dramatic opinion, which they are certainly entitled to have. DMB stops being DMB when Dave says so.

No violin and boxed in horns makes it feel more like dave and friends than what I know DMB as. Thats why I separate it from just being an evolving sound, and assume its similar for others who say that.

[ToySoldier#34]

Some need Boyd on mute half the time, not knowing his parts and skreeing through solos to get that true DMB feel

[TheLastPig]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

Some need Boyd on mute half the time, not knowing his parts and skreeing through solos to get that true DMB feel

nah just need an actual outro on ants and no high pitched squealing from a trumpet on the pig intro to mimic a violin... ya know, the things that made many of these songs what they are in the first place.

[ToySoldier#34]

Originally Posted by TheLastPig

nah just need an actual outro on ants and no high pitched squealing from a trumpet on the pig intro to mimic a violin... ya know, the things that made many of these songs what they are in the first place.

All fine points, I just don't miss the violin nearly as much as I thought I would, I don't miss the way BT had been playing it anyway. Give me 1998-2004 DMB any day.

[TheLastPig]

Its left a massive hole for me and others, thats why its much more than just the sound evolving. It feels like they pulled out a square block and just jammed a circular one in its place and the gaps are impossible to ignore.

[ToySoldier#34]

For me it's just different and I love the current sound as long as Buddy isn't playing organ and RR isn't squealing, big improvement over the last several years BT was with them. As stated earlier the sound and lineup has constantly changed from the beginning, before Peter.

[TheLastPig]

using "lineup changes" to describe away a main instrument being totally gone doesnt feel accurate to me.

I have no issues with buddy being added other than the church organ. Still doesnt fill in the gaps left though.

[DMBBeav]

If Dave is alive in 2036 and playing music with a band (like Springsteen) and Carter and Stefan are not in the band it will still be called Dave Matthews Band.

[ToySoldier#34]

I would consider this DM+F after the solo part, this group sounds great


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtLSH4LOZVI

[barefoot]

I would prefer a Dave and Friends concert to this current lineup of DMB hands down. I am in the group of people that felt like the violin was one of the signature sounds of this band that set them apart from the other similar bands in the 90's , leaving it out is removing one of the vital things of what made you special.

[bigeyedpigs]

It's always going to be called Dave Matthews Band, although what it is actually considered from the fanbase is probably going to differ from person to person.

[Cptn. Monkeyman]

I hope to see more of this kind of stuff post-DMB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdygHqaHLy8

[Cptn. Monkeyman]

Originally Posted by DMBBeav

If Dave is alive in 2036 and playing music with a band (like Springsteen) and Carter and Stefan are not in the band it will still be called Dave Matthews Band.

No, I don't think it would be. That would be Dave admitting that it was just his group all along, and he will never do that.

[tripeyedfish]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

Some need Boyd on mute half the time, not knowing his parts and skreeing through solos to get that true DMB feel

Wouldn’t get that true ants thread feel without you bitching about Boyd.

[tripeyedfish]

Originally Posted by Madnana

No.

But if this current line-up starts playing songs like Dodo, Trouble and Too High, then I might be inclined to agree with you.

I would love it if this band played their actual songs instead of so many covers/solo songs. I get every band probably does it. But they could fill setlists with great songs of their own, but they refuse to

[ToySoldier#34]

Originally Posted by tripeyedfish

Wouldn’t get that true ants thread feel without you bitching about Boyd.

[knowyourdanger]

Originally Posted by tripeyedfish

I would love it if this band played their actual songs instead of so many covers/solo songs. I get every band probably does it. But they could fill setlists with great songs of their own, but they refuse to

agree. if i hear sledgehammer one more time...

[YankeesDMB41]

Originally Posted by DMBBeav

If Dave is alive in 2036 and playing music with a band (like Springsteen) and Carter and Stefan are not in the band it will still be called Dave Matthews Band.

I don't think Dave would do this. Him playing DMB songs in a big band ends with Carter's career. That's my guess.

[dprosent]

Originally Posted by SeanMH

when Carter dies/leaves so does the band

then its just D+T

As it should be. Carter's the heart of the band.