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Old 04-18-2016, 02:38 PM   #31
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They had enough material for a quadruple album, but they have scrapped last year's new tunes and are whittling down material for a triple album. Working title right now is An' Another Thing.

You may expect to hear the studio versions of Virginia, etc., in 2037 with the 20th anniversary expanded release.
That was the very early working title for a Dave Matthews Band album. Do you know which one?

Free tacos to whomever knows the answer and bonus points to whomever knows why that was the early title.
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    the new album that is definitely happening will definitely be great
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    the new album that is definitely happening will definitely be great
    now you're speaking my language! thanks for the positive outlook my friend
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    You have four amazing albums with Lillywhite and then they dump him. It was said that Lillywhite couldn't inspire them and the Lillywhite Sessions were depressing. Then we get Ballard for one album, it sucks, and they dump him. Then we get Harris for one album, it was tolerable, but not anywhere near the Lillywhite Sessions, and they dump him. Then we get '04 where they are going to produce the album on their own and nothing comes of it. Then we get Batson, it sucks, they go back for a second, quit, and then dump him. Then we get Cavallo, one album, and they dump him. Then they go back to Lillywhite, and cannot recreate what they have, and dump him. At some point the band has to accept that it is them, not the producers. I personally have zero confidence in an album coming out, and I'm assuming if it does it will be another half assed album. Lillywhite told me that when they came in for Away From The World, the plan was to make that album all the live tracks they had not recorded yet. Dave is so out of touch with his fanbase that he allowed Batson to produce Shotgun and Steve never even got to touch it. SMH.
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    Let Rick Rubin do it.
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    You have four amazing albums with Lillywhite and then they dump him. It was said that Lillywhite couldn't inspire them and the Lillywhite Sessions were depressing. Then we get Ballard for one album, it sucks, and they dump him. Then we get Harris for one album, it was tolerable, but not anywhere near the Lillywhite Sessions, and they dump him. Then we get '04 where they are going to produce the album on their own and nothing comes of it. Then we get Batson, it sucks, they go back for a second, quit, and then dump him. Then we get Cavallo, one album, and they dump him. Then they go back to Lillywhite, and cannot recreate what they have, and dump him. At some point the band has to accept that it is them, not the producers. I personally have zero confidence in an album coming out, and I'm assuming if it does it will be another half assed album. Lillywhite told me that when they came in for Away From The World, the plan was to make that album all the live tracks they had not recorded yet. Dave is so out of touch with his fanbase that he allowed Batson to produce Shotgun and Steve never even got to touch it. SMH.
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    You have four amazing albums with Lillywhite and then they dump him. It was said that Lillywhite couldn't inspire them and the Lillywhite Sessions were depressing. Then we get Ballard for one album, it sucks, and they dump him. Then we get Harris for one album, it was tolerable, but not anywhere near the Lillywhite Sessions, and they dump him. Then we get '04 where they are going to produce the album on their own and nothing comes of it. Then we get Batson, it sucks, they go back for a second, quit, and then dump him. Then we get Cavallo, one album, and they dump him. Then they go back to Lillywhite, and cannot recreate what they have, and dump him. At some point the band has to accept that it is them, not the producers. I personally have zero confidence in an album coming out, and I'm assuming if it does it will be another half assed album. Lillywhite told me that when they came in for Away From The World, the plan was to make that album all the live tracks they had not recorded yet. Dave is so out of touch with his fanbase that he allowed Batson to produce Shotgun and Steve never even got to touch it. SMH.
    Everyday was a really good album. Doesn't get the credit it deserves.

    Stand Up could have been really good but suffered from the wrong producer for that album.

    Big Whiskey was great and if they didn't Play it so heavily for 3 years at shows, it'd be more appreciated here.

    AFTW was forced. Just felt too forced and based on how little the songs got played I think it didn't connect with the band either. They tried to do what they thought fans wanted. It didn't work.

    They have a lot of good material and still have a great album or two in them. Cavallo would be good for a Big Whiskey follow up

    But frankly albums are no where near as important as they were. Especially for a band like DMB that can get live versions of new material out to fans.

    I desperately want a studio Break For It.
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    I have 0 interest in a new album. It will not be good.

    I guess I'd still buy it though.

    Way more interested in new, quality songs played live. This band is a crap studio band for the last 15 years.
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    Let Rick Rubin do it.
    He hasn't been able to hear in over 15 years.

    Let T-Bone Burnett or Daniel Lanois do it.
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    Old 04-18-2016, 05:20 PM   #40
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    I have 0 interest in a new album. It will not be good.

    I guess I'd still buy it though.

    Way more interested in new, quality songs played live. This band is a crap studio band for the last 15 years.
    Big Whiskey was good.
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    I remember reading that and thinking the same thing, it's borderline insulting to a fan like myself that supports new music and studio recordings from this band, I have met many people that just want to hear Billies and Ants every single summer for the rest of the band's existence, with a few live shows from 23.5 years ago released quarterly....I don't know it's just frustrating they're some pretty seasoned musicians on the most professional level which should be an honor to make a piece of art in a room with mics that 65% of the public could never afford to look at, and Stefan literally tweets the album is 90 PERCENT done, Jeff says there WILL be a new DMB album in 2016.... and I gotta listen to Dave practically make a joke out of the idea of releasing new material .....it's frustrating, I want to hear this thing for whatever it is

    Relax.... I too wish Dave didn’t have such a shitty attitude sometimes when it came to new music and setlist but he is merely saying that from the perspective of a traditional record release being dead. Radio sucks too and everything has changed. It used to be a big deal to release an album and in this day and age when people just download everything for free its not the same it used to be.
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    Big Whiskey was good.
    Eh, Big Whiskey was ok. It wasn't bad, but other than Grux>>SMLAM I can't say I want to go back and listen to much of it.
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    I like listening to LITHOG, Dive In and Baby Blue, Carter sounds so great in those tracks.
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    I really hope this album sees the light of day. I think in the string of "info" we have, Jeff was the last to saything about it and that was the 2016 release bit. But since we havent heard of it by now, I'm pretty pessimistic. HOWEVER my god man you'd think having string orchestrations on three tracks means there was completion in some sense. I really want to hear another Cavallo/McKean/DMB album.
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    Everyday was a really good album. Doesn't get the credit it deserves.

    Stand Up could have been really good but suffered from the wrong producer for that album.

    Big Whiskey was great and if they didn't Play it so heavily for 3 years at shows, it'd be more appreciated here.

    AFTW was forced. Just felt too forced and based on how little the songs got played I think it didn't connect with the band either. They tried to do what they thought fans wanted. It didn't work.

    They have a lot of good material and still have a great album or two in them. Cavallo would be good for a Big Whiskey follow up

    But frankly albums are no where near as important as they were. Especially for a band like DMB that can get live versions of new material out to fans.

    I desperately want a studio Break For It.
    AWEsome idea, I would really love to hear any form of a studio BFI
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    I like listening to LITHOG, Dive In and Baby Blue, Carter sounds so great in those tracks.
    This is true. Baby Blue is one of my favorites on the album. Such a small little song.
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    My friend is seeing Jeff tonight at a clinic and said if he has the opportunity, he will ask him about it. He is on Ants so I am sure he will post about it.
    Was he able to ask him about it?
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    "But at some point, we'll have an album that we'll put out for whatever reason people still do that."

    If that statement doesn't inspire confidence in new work, I don't know what possibly could...
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    I remember reading that and thinking the same thing, it's borderline insulting to a fan like myself that supports new music and studio recordings from this band, I have met many people that just want to hear Billies and Ants every single summer for the rest of the band's existence, with a few live shows from 23.5 years ago released quarterly....I don't know it's just frustrating they're some pretty seasoned musicians on the most professional level which should be an honor to make a piece of art in a room with mics that 65% of the public could never afford to look at, and Stefan literally tweets the album is 90 PERCENT done, Jeff says there WILL be a new DMB album in 2016.... and I gotta listen to Dave practically make a joke out of the idea of releasing new material .....it's frustrating, I want to hear this thing for whatever it is
    This was so disheartening to see. I could be wrong, but Dave's attitude toward fans is just abysmal. I get the whole detached artist persona, but he continually shuns the people that got him where he is and loves him so much. Then again, maybe he's just beat down from the hate his new material gets. Let's face it, new stuff is NOT well received aside from the "sing the phonebook" crowd. That said, he HAS to know that people are clamoring for an unreleased songs album...GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT!
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    I like listening to LITHOG, Dive In and Baby Blue, Carter sounds so great in those tracks.
    The way that Cavallo and Doug his engineer capture Carter's live sound is great and probably my favorite thing about BW and them going back to work with them on the next album.
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    The way that Cavallo and Doug his engineer capture Carter's live sound is great and probably my favorite thing about BW and them going back to work with them on the next album.
    Hell yes. Now only if Cavallo produced records had any semblance of dynamic range...
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    Everyday was a really good album. Doesn't get the credit it deserves.

    Stand Up could have been really good but suffered from the wrong producer for that album.

    Big Whiskey was great and if they didn't Play it so heavily for 3 years at shows, it'd be more appreciated here.

    AFTW was forced. Just felt too forced and based on how little the songs got played I think it didn't connect with the band either. They tried to do what they thought fans wanted. It didn't work.

    They have a lot of good material and still have a great album or two in them. Cavallo would be good for a Big Whiskey follow up

    But frankly albums are no where near as important as they were. Especially for a band like DMB that can get live versions of new material out to fans.

    I desperately want a studio Break For It.
    If DMB released a live album of 8-12 new songs only, I'd get on board with that.
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    You have four amazing albums with Lillywhite and then they dump him. It was said that Lillywhite couldn't inspire them and the Lillywhite Sessions were depressing. Then we get Ballard for one album, it sucks, and they dump him. Then we get Harris for one album, it was tolerable, but not anywhere near the Lillywhite Sessions, and they dump him. Then we get '04 where they are going to produce the album on their own and nothing comes of it. Then we get Batson, it sucks, they go back for a second, quit, and then dump him. Then we get Cavallo, one album, and they dump him. Then they go back to Lillywhite, and cannot recreate what they have, and dump him. At some point the band has to accept that it is them, not the producers. I personally have zero confidence in an album coming out, and I'm assuming if it does it will be another half assed album. Lillywhite told me that when they came in for Away From The World, the plan was to make that album all the live tracks they had not recorded yet. Dave is so out of touch with his fanbase that he allowed Batson to produce Shotgun and Steve never even got to touch it. SMH.

    I would argue that the problem is just Dave, not the whole band. He basically went and wrote two solo albums with Ballard and Batson, but let the rest of the band play on them (somewhat), leading to the records being labeled as DMB records, when in reality, they really aren't. During 2001-2008 we didn't get any true new DMB records. And then, as someone mentioned, now that they've finally gotten back into making records, they're suddenly shelving loads of material because Dave doesn't care for it.

    I don't want to speak badly of Dave, but I don't think he's made some of the best choices since he wrote Everyday.
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    I would argue that the problem is just Dave, not the whole band. He basically went and wrote two solo albums with Ballard and Batson, but let the rest of the band play on them (somewhat), leading to the records being labeled as DMB records, when in reality, they really aren't. During 2001-2008 we didn't get any true new DMB records. And then, as someone mentioned, now that they've finally gotten back into making records, they're suddenly shelving loads of material because Dave doesn't care for it.

    I don't want to speak badly of Dave, but I don't think he's made some of the best choices since he wrote Everyday.
    Away From the World was much closer to a Dave written album than Stand Up. Stand Up actually included all the band members in the writing process, its just that Batson can't produce DMB, and the band was so lazy that Roi ended up quitting during those sessions.
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    The way that Cavallo and Doug his engineer capture Carter's live sound is great and probably my favorite thing about BW and them going back to work with them on the next album.
    You got it.
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    Away From the World was much closer to a Dave written album than Stand Up. Stand Up actually included all the band members in the writing process, its just that Batson can't produce DMB, and the band was so lazy that Roi ended up quitting during those sessions.



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    I would argue that the problem is just Dave, not the whole band. He basically went and wrote two solo albums with Ballard and Batson, but let the rest of the band play on them (somewhat), leading to the records being labeled as DMB records, when in reality, they really aren't. During 2001-2008 we didn't get any true new DMB records. And then, as someone mentioned, now that they've finally gotten back into making records, they're suddenly shelving loads of material because Dave doesn't care for it.

    I don't want to speak badly of Dave, but I don't think he's made some of the best choices since he wrote Everyday.
    If you're calling "Stand Up" a solo record similar to Everyday, you don't have a single clue what you're talking about.
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    If you're calling "Stand Up" a solo record similar to Everyday, you don't have a single clue what you're talking about.
    Yeah, Stand Up was most definitely a band effort. They just tried a new approach at recording the album. They each went and met with Batson individually and came up with their own ideas. Batson just hit record and sometimes found little bits and pieces that they could form a song around. A great example is American Baby. Boyd was in the studio and was plucking his violin and Batson caught a section that would become his line in American Baby. They looped it and Dave wrote the song around it. Everyday was definitely more of a solo record. The band arrived to the studio with written charts to learn and play. But the recording process for Stand Up was pretty well documented as a band effort.
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    I would argue that the problem is just Dave, not the whole band. He basically went and wrote two solo albums with Ballard and Batson, but let the rest of the band play on them (somewhat), leading to the records being labeled as DMB records, when in reality, they really aren't. During 2001-2008 we didn't get any true new DMB records. And then, as someone mentioned, now that they've finally gotten back into making records, they're suddenly shelving loads of material because Dave doesn't care for it.

    I don't want to speak badly of Dave, but I don't think he's made some of the best choices since he wrote Everyday.
    And what about 92- 2000? You do realize that Dave wrote most of those songs on his own right?

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    Re: News on DMB's new album?

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    And what about 92- 2000? You do realize that Dave wrote most of those songs on his own right?

    http://www.allmusic.com/album/crash-mw0000185460
    This is exactly right. The problem is that dave's song writing has changed drastically since working with Ballard and the fact that he is older now and in a different place in his life. Song quality has declined bc of dave not because the band isn't involved enough.
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    Old 04-20-2016, 09:22 AM   #60
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    Re: News on DMB's new album?

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    I would argue that the problem is just Dave, not the whole band. He basically went and wrote two solo albums with Ballard and Batson, but let the rest of the band play on them (somewhat), leading to the records being labeled as DMB records, when in reality, they really aren't. During 2001-2008 we didn't get any true new DMB records. And then, as someone mentioned, now that they've finally gotten back into making records, they're suddenly shelving loads of material because Dave doesn't care for it.



    I don't want to speak badly of Dave, but I don't think he's made some of the best choices since he wrote Everyday.


    Stand Up was absolutely not a "Dave solo" type record. Everyone was involved heavily
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