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Old 08-10-2018, 09:24 AM   #1981
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I kinda liked the Ed Norton Hulk movie, not gonna lie.
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    Worse than the Eric Bana Hulk?



    No no no no noooooooo. Bana's is WAY worse.



    Thing is, I don't know that Norton's The Incredible Hulk is actually an objectively bad movie. I did a rewatch of it a couple months ago for the first time in a long time, and I certainly really wouldn't even call it "good". But I'm not sure if strictly on its own merits it's "awful". I think in the context of the MCU it invariably winds up at or near the bottom and that's fair, but that's speaking more toward how these guys have been able to produce some entertaining stuff at the very least pretty damn consistently now.
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    Old 08-10-2018, 09:34 AM   #1983
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    btw, this is what Edward Norton said about The Incredible Hulk at the Bruce Willis roast


    "I have to adopt your (Willis) relationship to the script. I tried to be like you, I did a big action movie called The Incredible Hulk. You know what went wrong? I wanted a better script! I thought maybe we should try to make one Marvel movie that was at least as good as the worst Chris Nolan movie, but, what the hell was I thinking."


    and putting in the Nolan reference is because Joseph Gordon Levitt was the roastmaster of the whole event.
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    Old 08-10-2018, 09:37 AM   #1984
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    To his credit I thought Norton handled the Hulk/Banner relationship pretty well, I thought he was a better fit than Ruffalo is.
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    Old 08-10-2018, 09:41 AM   #1985
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    I've actually really liked Ruffalo's take the whole way so far since he inherited the role, but, much as I hate to say it, I thought of all the regular Avenger members, he gave arguably the worst performance in Infinity War. and I can't even exactly put my finger on what it was, just something was 'off' (shame, since they purposely wanted to sneak in a solo Hulk movie within the 'trilogy' of Ragnarok, Infinity War and Avengers 4, since they can't do a proper one cause of the rights situation).
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    Old 08-10-2018, 09:52 AM   #1986
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    I'm not trying to stir the pot but I've never really liked Ruffalo as Hulk at all. I never found him to be a good fit. I really liked Norton though.
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    Old 08-10-2018, 12:05 PM   #1987
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    I thought Norton's Hulk performance was solid. It's always just a little awkward when a "reboot" comes a year or two after another film and they try to ignore origin stories, etc. I think the whole movie just felt a little too "dropping in the middle of the story" for anyone to form a solid connection with the Banner character, but that is a story/script issue, not anything Norton did wrong.
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    Old 08-10-2018, 06:43 PM   #1988
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    btw there's a reason we still haven't heard any sort of final decision on James Gunn being completely removed from Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol 3. There's apparently a loooooooot of back and forth, with a chance (though I'd guess not as good as 50/50) that Disney may indeed reverse the decision and have him direct after all. There's been all of the cast support behind him (far and away the most emphatic since day 1 is Dave Bautista) getting re-hired. Note this was a decision that came from Disney, them like not even getting Marvel's opinion on the matter on that day. And word is that Kevin Feige has been like beyond livid that the move was made (he already hated the CEO Ike Pearlmutter to begin with) and while Feige still hasn't commented public on it all, he's been lobbying very heavily for Gunn behind closed doors.


    So it's not at all totally outside the realm of possibility.
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    To expand on the developments junior is talking about.

    August 6th:

    https://www.shortlist.com/entertainm...twitter/368730

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    “Nobody’s defending his tweets, but this was a smear campaign on a good man,” he said, speaking to ShortList’s Tom Ellen. “I spoke to Chris Pratt the day after it happened and he’s a bit religious so he wanted time to pray and figure it out, but I was more like: f*ck this. This is bullshit. James is one of the kindest, most decent people I’ve met.”

    Bautista said Gunn had already turned in the script for Guardians of the Galaxy: Volume 3. A replacement director for the film, due to shoot early next year, has not yet been announced.

    “Where I’m at right now is that if [Marvel] don’t use that script, then I’m going to ask them to release me from my contract, cut me out or recast me.

    “I’d be doing James a disservice if I didn’t.”
    and later in the day Bautista had this twitter exchange


    @eliaseliot: @DaveBautista Love your support for @JamesGunn. Do you have any plans or response if Disney doesn’t reinstate him for GotG3?


    @DaveBautista: I will do what Im legally obligated to do but @Guardians without @JamesGunn is not what I signed up for. GOTG w/o @JamesGunn just isn’t GOTG. Its also pretty nauseating to work for someone who’d empower a smear campaign by fascists #cybernazis . That’s just how I feel
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    August 8th

    James Gunn in Demand for Major Studio Movies After Disney Firing: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...firing-1133161

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    Gunn, who was fired July 20 after past offensive tweets came to light, has been approached by several top producers and executives at major studios dangling big film projects, sources tell The Hollywood Reporter.

    "I’d work with him in a heartbeat," says one senior executive at a rival studio. Like the dozen or so execs and producers THR spoke with, this exec asked to remain anonymous because Gunn is not permitted to entertain other offers while his negotiation to exit Disney is ongoing.

    “I’ve been advised that we can’t bring anything to him until the Disney matter is 100 percent resolved,” says another studio executive. Major players said to be interested in Gunn’s services run the gamut from studios, including Warner Bros., which has its Disney/Marvel rival superhero movies via DC Entertainment, to Oscar-winning producers.
    This covers the complications and for the first time says they are indeed going to use his script

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    Multiple sources say that Gunn, repped by UTA and attorney Andrew Hurwitz, remains locked in complicated negotiations with Disney over his exit settlement. He has written the script for Guardians 3 and was to have directed the third installment of a franchise whose first two entries (also written and directed by Gunn) grossed $773 million and $863 million, respectively.

    Sources say that Gunn, while under contract for the third movie, likely was not "pay or play,” a status that would require Disney to pay him his full fee regardless of whether his services are actually used. Filmmakers typically reach pay-or-play status when a movie is officially greenlighted or eight weeks prior to the start of production, neither of which had occurred. But Gunn is not said to have breached his contract because the offensive tweets were sent years before he first signed with Disney’s Marvel Studios.

    Some experienced talent reps estimate that due to the unique situation, Gunn could receive a payout of $7 million to $10 million, if not potentially higher. And, more importantly, he would be free to take on another project immediately. Also affecting the negotiations is that Disney plans on using Gunn's script for the third Guardians pic, according to sources.
    and finally the fact that he may still work with Marvel again

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    That leaves Gunn and his potential suitors waiting to see the outcome of the talks. “Most people feel his comments were coming out of his brand of comedy [at the time he made them],” says another studio exec. “Having an inappropriate sense of humor shouldn’t be a crime.”
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    August 9th

    Possible Reprieve On James Gunn & ‘Guardians’ As Marvel Back Channels With Disney?: https://deadline.com/2018/08/james-g...pt-1202443199/

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    EXCLUSIVE: Might there be a glimmer of hope for change of heart in the quick banishment of Guardians of the Galaxy director James Gunn from the Magic Kingdom? Nobody is talking about it, but sources said that back channel conversations are taking place between Marvel Studios and Disney. Sources said the Marvel contingent is trying to persuade Disney to explore a compromise that might bring Gunn back into the fold for Guardians 3, something that clearly would be best for the franchise. There is no clash or strong arming here. I’m told it’s a discussion that comes in the wake of the whole cast declaring their loyalty to Gunn, whose abrupt exit has put a thriving film franchise in a rocky place. One would have to label this 11th hour approach to be a long shot, but the community is talking about it.
    and apparently they still want to move forward on this movie quickly, hence the reports on them still using his script:

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    Disney and Marvel want to move forward quickly with the next Guardians installment, and one of the reasons the Chris Pratt-starrer Cowboy Ninja Viking stalled at Universal this week was because the film was undergoing rewrites too close to start of production — a recipe for problems — and it was clear Pratt was on a tight timeline because he has to suit up to play Starlord. Gunn has written a script and Dave Bautista has gone as far as declaring he won’t want to reprise his Drax character unless Marvel uses Gunn’s version. All of this has created acrimony and destabilized a crowd pleasing franchise that grossed a collective $1.6 billion worldwide, with the sequel earning more than the original.
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    We know Feige obviously wants Gunn around for the MCU, but I wonder if now the top execs at Disney are worried about Gunn going over to the DC universe. You kill your own billion dollar franchise and maybe launch one for the competition that goes head to head with your MCU movies. I wonder how long the whole ordeal will draw out considering they need to get things in motion soon.
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    btw, this is what Edward Norton said about The Incredible Hulk at the Bruce Willis roast


    "I have to adopt your (Willis) relationship to the script. I tried to be like you, I did a big action movie called The Incredible Hulk. You know what went wrong? I wanted a better script! I thought maybe we should try to make one Marvel movie that was at least as good as the worst Chris Nolan movie, but, what the hell was I thinking."


    and putting in the Nolan reference is because Joseph Gordon Levitt was the roastmaster of the whole event.
    :LOL

    That's actually why I started wondering if it was any good. I haven't seen it and when he mentioned it I wondered if it was actually that bad.
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    It’s pretty fucking terrible.
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    Late on this one, but Venom looks dreadfully bad.
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    August 9th

    Possible Reprieve On James Gunn & ‘Guardians’ As Marvel Back Channels With Disney?: https://deadline.com/2018/08/james-g...pt-1202443199/

    and apparently they still want to move forward on this movie quickly, hence the reports on them still using his script:
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    We know Feige obviously wants Gunn around for the MCU, but I wonder if now the top execs at Disney are worried about Gunn going over to the DC universe. You kill your own billion dollar franchise and maybe launch one for the competition that goes head to head with your MCU movies. I wonder how long the whole ordeal will draw out considering they need to get things in motion soon.
    Just hire him back imo
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    Old 08-15-2018, 11:35 PM   #1997
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    https://variety.com/2018/film/news/j...ng-1202907016/


    BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!




    But alright here's my two takeaways from the situation (beware, could be a little long, will try and keep concise as possible). So, if you're firmly in the camp that it was absolutely correct to fire Gunn, it was morally the right thing to, that Disney can have no business ties with someone with something like this in their past... yada yada yada. Well then, they better act lickity split to meet their theatrical release date, considering they obviously then must bring in a new writer to do a full page 1 rewrite. Because otherwise, if you feel you stood your righteous ground in helping to (or even just being glad about) Gunn being removed as director, but you don't care if they still use his script, well than that right there outs you that much further as hypocrite, that this for you is about nothing more than proceeding with your political agenda, to help fuck up the career of someone who dared shared his descent about this disgusting bigot of corrupt president we have in the oval. If you're TRULY coming from this side, than you've gotta take it ALL the way, else it's meaningles. That Disney indeed cannot be associated with such indecent and immoral people, that everything about him must go, that his name can't be attached to Guardians 3 whatsoever.


    Except, I can't help but feel that WON'T happen, just showing this to be the bullshit hack move that it is, instead of Disney not being held hostage to Alex Jones/Infowars-level, alt-right trolls. Shame on you, Disney.




    alright I'll try to show a little mercy and make my next point (shouldn't be as long) in a new post
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    Ok this other angle, of course it's basically like a companion piece, but I figure why torture people all in one post, the first one was too damn long enough


    Anyway, I almost always hate it when people try to throw the "it's a slippery slope!!" into ANY argument, I feel like it's a cliche, and just always makes me do a giant eye roll. BUT, in this case, the way these alt-right trolls went after James Gunn for this past material... mind you, all the stuff he's "in trouble for", Disney and Marvel had full awareness of it when looking at him to write and direct the first Guardians,, he owned them, he sincerely apologized for them, and Disney was perfectly appeased. Gunn went onto make arguably the best movies of the whole Marvel era, and all was good. He was not at all "that person" anymore, he was universally loved by his cast and crew, much of whom went onto work on Guardians 2.


    Then, the Trump cultists started to be not happy Gunn was speaking out against Dear Leader, making him look like a lying, corrupt asshole by simply repeating back things Trump's openly said. So then this Mike Cernovich, a true psychopath decided to start digging, and this whole shirstorm started, as described in the previous post.


    But here's the rub: when do they decide they want to bring down Robert Downey Jr, as well? After all, this dude's actually an EX-CONVICT! With major drug charges! And in the one case, wondering into this one kid's bedroom while just high off his rocker not knowing where the fuck he was, he could've really hurt that kid easily.
    So if Disney really has this super duper zero tolerance policy of good behavior from its talent, it's only a matter of time before RDJ's having to defend himself against the self-appointed morality policy. I mean, am I totally off base here?
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    Not that I really care since I never got into the Guardian movies, but blaming the alt right/Alex Jones is pretty irrelevant. All they did was bring his gross tweets to light, and Disney felt the need to distance themselves from a guy who used to make creepy pedo jokes. Gunn is 100% responsible for what happened to him, no one else.
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    Not that I really care since I never got into the Guardian movies, but blaming the alt right/Alex Jones is pretty irrelevant. All they did was bring his gross tweets to light, and Disney felt the need to distance themselves from a guy who used to make creepy pedo jokes. Gunn is 100% responsible for what happened to him, no one else.

    hmm... well then it seems like maybe the optimal time to do that was back in 2010, 2011-ish, before he started making the movies. Again, Marvel and Disney had full knowledge of the things, it wasn't so much a problem they felt they couldnt work with him. What they had was a perfectly reasonable, normal response. Hence, he was hired to do Guardians 1.
    It wasn't until the Info Wars nutjobs start digging the shit up in a movie that was purely out of retaliation of Gunn calling out Trump on his bullshit. He never once lied about Trump. Disney coward to these sad excuses for human beings, and here we are.
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    Old 08-16-2018, 06:57 AM   #2001
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    I have a feeling Disney can find an adequate director to replace him. Even if they can't, GotG 2 was disappointing.
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    I liked Guardians 2
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    GOTG2 was middle of the pack but I found it enjoyable.
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    Captain Marvel trailer being released tomorrow!

    https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/09...ailer-come-out
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    Trailer is out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1BCujX3pw8
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    Not giving away much yet but I like where it’s headed.
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    Been reading some Carol Danvers comics and I'm very excited for this movie. Glad they're bringing the Skrulls & Krees into the mix. I assume they would've played a part in the GotG3 but that seems like it won't happen. Either way, movie looks good. Marvel has it figured out.
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    Definitely intrigued after that trailer. I don't know much about this character either, but it looks good.
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    Loved the Blockbuster appearance.
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    kinda weird trailer, but can't really put my finger on why. I appreciate the dramatic de-aging of samuel l jackson and clark gregg though

    will ultimately see the movie cause why not, but I may be more interested in a second trailer cut eventually
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