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Old 10-12-2017, 03:07 PM   #91
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Re: Dave Matthews and Tim Reynolds - Luther College 4 LP RSD

So not officially announced but already starting a huge list of those "in line" (whatever good that is) for this. Ok.

Also, regarding if it will be sold online for RSD... that is absolutely defeating the point of RSD. It's to get ppl to go support your local small record store.

I get that not everyone can get online on RSD, but by creating "lists" of ppl ISO will make it harder for those at the actual stores to get a copy. Why put effort into getting one on RSD if you can just add a name to a list?

Kinda like all the hours I've spent waiting in line (not tailgating in the lot till the last minute) for a poster... would have been much easier to just "get on a list" and hopefully bypass the effort spent.

(Not to mention most copies will likely go to ppl that won't open or play them, have no table TO play them, nor have any intention of ever playing them).
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    So not officially announced but already starting a huge list of those "in line" (whatever good that is) for this. Ok.

    Also, regarding if it will be sold online for RSD... that is absolutely defeating the point of RSD. It's to get ppl to go support your local small record store.

    I get that not everyone can get online on RSD, but by creating "lists" of ppl ISO will make it harder for those at the actual stores to get a copy. Why put effort into getting one on RSD if you can just add a name to a list?

    Kinda like all the hours I've spent waiting in line (not tailgating in the lot till the last minute) for a poster... would have been much easier to just "get on a list" and hopefully bypass the effort spent.

    (Not to mention most copies will likely go to ppl that won't open or play them, have no table TO play them, nor have any intention of ever playing them).
    We're a community of fans, and we look out for each other.

    Far better to have them in the hands of people here, who may or may not open and play them, than to be in the hands of flippers.

    If you're in line, and your store has stock, there's a good chance you'll get one. But they will definitely sell out at most places, and they will absolutely be flipped on line by non-fans.

    We're trying to prevent the flippers from screwing over actual fans.

    I don't understand the saltiness about an ISO list.
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    Old 10-12-2017, 03:30 PM   #93
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    We're a community of fans, and we look out for each other.

    Far better to have them in the hands of people here, who may or may not open and play them, than to be in the hands of flippers.

    If you're in line, and your store has stock, there's a good chance you'll get one. But they will definitely sell out at most places, and they will absolutely be flipped on line by non-fans.

    We're trying to prevent the flippers from screwing over actual fans.

    I don't understand the saltiness about an ISO list.
    Not saltiness... just basically "flipping" without profit (in the sense of ppl will purchase extras to get them to ppl on the list... so if I'm 8th in line at my local shop, and they get 6 copies, someone ahead of me could very likely nab 2 copies [one for themselves & another for a friend/list/fan whatever] then I'm out of luck even though I got in line early AT the store).

    How about at shows with high demand posters? Say I'm AT the Gorge, but lots of fans want the poster even though they aren't at the show...ppl will buy mult copies to get them to fans on an ISO list (weather at face value or not), thus reducing the number of prints available to ppl AT the show...
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    Not saltiness... just basically "flipping" without profit (in the sense of ppl will purchase extras to get them to ppl on the list... so if I'm 8th in line at my local shop, and they get 6 copies, someone ahead of me could very likely nab 2 copies [one for themselves & another for a friend/list/fan whatever] then I'm out of luck even though I got in line early AT the store).
    Most stores have a 1-per-title-per-customer limit. It's unlikely people are coping multiples at a single shop. Last year when I hooked up a fellow ant with RR95 I got mine at the store I waited in line for, then checked out another shop across town that happened to still have some after the opening rush.

    You're describing a scenario that, in practice, doesn't exist.

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    How about at shows with high demand posters? Say I'm AT the Gorge, but lots of fans want the poster even though they aren't at the show...ppl will buy mult copies to get them to fans on an ISO list (weather at face value or not), thus reducing the number of prints available to ppl AT the show...
    Well A) I haven't seen lists like that for these, and B) posters are already getting sold in multiple quantities and then flipped. It should be on the merch tents to clamp down on that shit.

    Plus, posters are way more limited, in a far more concentrated area than any record is. It's an apples to oranges comparison.
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    Old 10-12-2017, 03:46 PM   #95
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    Most stores have a 1-per-title-per-customer limit. It's unlikely people are coping multiples at a single shop. Last year when I hooked up a fellow ant with RR95 I got mine at the store I waited in line for, then checked out another shop across town that happened to still have some after the opening rush.

    You're describing a scenario that, in practice, doesn't exist.


    Yes. There usually are 1 per customer limits... yet I regularly see couples (one household) each purchase a copy (clearly to flip or whatever). My wife & I could easily both purchase a copy of a limited release but we don't as it's basically bending the rule without technically breaking it. I purchase 1 for me & let another customer have a chance.

    The fact that you say it never happens is pretty funny.
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    So not officially announced but already starting a huge list of those "in line" (whatever good that is) for this. Ok.
    It helps people who
    1. Strike out and don't get one
    2. Have a store that didn't get any stock
    3. Can't get out due to work/kids

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    Also, regarding if it will be sold online for RSD... that is absolutely defeating the point of RSD. It's to get ppl to go support your local small record store.
    Some people value limited edition releases (especially collectors). The RSD release is different from the Warehouse/DMB store release. If it were the same, I would agree with your point.

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    I get that not everyone can get online on RSD, but by creating "lists" of ppl ISO will make it harder for those at the actual stores to get a copy. Why put effort into getting one on RSD if you can just add a name to a list?
    It's a good way to know who is looking for a copy. The day of RSD people post whether or not they get one. If they get one, they are removed from the list. In the past, usually most people can get one, and those on the ISO list that didn't get one can get a copy from another Ant. Last RSD was a great example of this. It was rare that there were more than a few names not able to get a copy. ISO lists help the community.

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    (Not to mention most copies will likely go to ppl that won't open or play them, have no table TO play them, nor have any intention of ever playing them).
    This is the story of any vinyl release, not just RSD releases. There are people who buy regular releases and don't play them.

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    Not saltiness... just basically "flipping" without profit (in the sense of ppl will purchase extras to get them to ppl on the list... so if I'm 8th in line at my local shop, and they get 6 copies, someone ahead of me could very likely nab 2 copies [one for themselves & another for a friend/list/fan whatever] then I'm out of luck even though I got in line early AT the store).
    By flipping without profit, do you mean a community looking out for each other? I think it's great that people will take time out of their day to go back, get an extra copy, and ship it to someone without being paid extra for doing so.

    Also, stores have a 1 record limit. And most abide by that. It's very rare that a store will let by someone buy 2 of the same record. Usually when that happens it's after the "rush" is over and there are copies left over that people didn't buy.

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    Yes. There usually are 1 per customer limits... yet I regularly see couples (one household) each purchase a copy (clearly to flip or whatever). My wife & I could easily both purchase a copy of a limited release but we don't as it's basically bending the rule without technically breaking it. I purchase 1 for me & let another customer have a chance.
    If you see this happening, report it to RSD.
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    Yes. There usually are 1 per customer limits... yet I regularly see couples (one household) each purchase a copy (clearly to flip or whatever). My wife & I could easily both purchase a copy of a limited release but we don't as it's basically bending the rule without technically breaking it. I purchase 1 for me & let another customer have a chance.

    The fact that you say it never happens is pretty funny.
    Document this evidence then and report it.

    I've never seen it in the past 8ish years of doing RSD, across at least 5 stores in 3 different states.
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    interesting how quickly it changes from "it's supposed to be about supporting the record store" (which an ISO has 0.0 effect on) to "iso lists make it harder for ME to get one"
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    Don't most people who grab one for people on the ISO list either A) grab one for themselves then get back in line or go back later in the day to grab the extras to help people out? or B) Skip grabbing one for themselves and help someone else instead?

    Either way, I don't see the whole "support your local store argument" because at the end of the day in both scenarios a local record store had money spent inside their store. Not to mention, most record stores will list their leftover stock online (I know both of my stores do). That way displaced people, especially because of the Thanksgiving holiday, can still have a shot at ordering what they want AND support their stores.
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    Don't most people who grab one for people on the ISO list either A) grab one for themselves then get back in line or go back later in the day to grab the extras to help people out? or B) Skip grabbing one for themselves and help someone else instead?

    Either way, I don't see the whole "support your local store argument" because at the end of the day in both scenarios a local record store had money spent inside their store. Not to mention, most record stores will list their leftover stock online (I know both of my stores do). That way displaced people, especially because of the Thanksgiving holiday, can still have a shot at ordering what they want AND support their stores.
    Yeah, it's really a non-issue. I don't understand the problem he's having with our list and helping out fellow fans.
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    Don't most people who grab one for people on the ISO list either A) grab one for themselves then get back in line or go back later in the day to grab the extras to help people out? or B) Skip grabbing one for themselves and help someone else instead?
    This is correct.
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    Don't most people who grab one for people on the ISO list either A) grab one for themselves then get back in line or go back later in the day to grab the extras to help people out? or B) Skip grabbing one for themselves and help someone else instead?

    Either way, I don't see the whole "support your local store argument" because at the end of the day in both scenarios a local record store had money spent inside their store. Not to mention, most record stores will list their leftover stock online (I know both of my stores do). That way displaced people, especially because of the Thanksgiving holiday, can still have a shot at ordering what they want AND support their stores.
    Yep, I dont think the couple of dozen records (out of several thousand) grabbed for another person on these boards is reducing availability of non-Ant fans at their local store in any significant amount. Probably more significant is when a store in a non-DMB hotbed gets 40 copies of LT4 and sells them all online because nobody bought one on RSD. When I grabbed an extra LT 2 and LT3 to pass on through these boards I grabbed my copies, went and got lunch, then went back to the store. They still had LT's and there were still still people on the ISO list so I picked them up and passed them on at cost (well, one at cost. Traded the other for a black LT1). There is nothing nefarious happening.
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    I get that not everyone can get online on RSD, but by creating "lists" of ppl ISO will make it harder for those at the actual stores to get a copy. Why put effort into getting one on RSD if you can just add a name to a list?
    Sorry but this just makes zero sense.

    1) Most of the people on the ISO list will try to obtain one on their own. This is in case they strike out.

    2) How does someone grabbing an extra at a store in Chicago hurt your chances in Phoenix or getting one? It doesn't.

    3) The likelihood of someone from this message board being in front of you in line and grabbing the last one so you don't get yours is probably below that of hitting the lottery.

    I don't know who pissed in your Wheaties but you seem to be upset about nothing. Looking at the list of people, most are frequent collectors of vinyl in general, particularly DMB. They want it to enjoy it so they can listen to it. Not sure what you're getting upset about.
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    I’ll be buying one on secondary market or hopefully just grabbing it from WH. RSD is annoying as fuck. Never doing it again.
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    I’ll be buying one on secondary market or hopefully just grabbing it from WH. RSD is annoying as fuck. Never doing it again.
    This is how I feel as well. Not worth battling the crazies for a special color, when it will most likely be readily available on black vinyl shortly afterwards via the Warehouse.
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    Hi Chad,

    I personally think it’s great that we do this list and I for one am glad you came up with it.

    With that said, could you please add me to the list?

    Thanks!
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    Don't think this has been posted yet:

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    NEW YORK, Oct. 17, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- Legacy Recordings, the catalog division of Sony Music Entertainment, announces the label's line-up of vinyl releases created especially for Record Store Day's Black Friday 2017, celebrated at the nation's independent record stores this year on Friday, November 24.

    For RSD Black Friday 2017, Legacy caters to connoisseurs of classic sounds delivered on old school vinyl via these highly collectible releases:

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    Dave Matthews & Tim Reynolds - Live At Luther College (12" Colored Vinyl – 4LP Box Set)

    On February 6, 1996, Dave Matthews and guitarist Tim Reynolds played an intimate set at Iowa's Luther College, wowing fans with acoustic arrangements of Dave Matthews Band songs. The two hour-plus set included songs that would appear on that year's Crash, along with fan favorites "Granny" and "Deed Is Done" otherwise unreleased at the time of the 1999 debut of the Live At Luther College CD. Now, this beloved live set makes its debut on vinyl in a 4LP box set. This exclusive numbered edition for Record Store Day Black Friday is pressed on red, yellow and blue splatter vinyl.


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    Recorded live in August 2017 at historic Preservation Hall in New Orleans, Run Stop & Drop!! (The Needle) finds Preservation Hall Jazz Band dazzling an intimate crowd with live performances of five songs they'd debuted on 2017's acclaimed studio album, So It Is. This 12" vinyl RSD 2017 release showcases what makes PHJB one of the most vital live acts working today.

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    3,000 copies, it's an "RSD First Release" so there will definitely be black copies in wider numbers to follow.
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    I’ll be buying one on secondary market or hopefully just grabbing it from WH. RSD is annoying as fuck. Never doing it again.
    Depends where you go for RSD. I live in Columbus and the April one is a disaster and a legit waste of time. Black Friday RSD around my parents in a rural Pennsylvania city is a much better experience and easy to get stuff without getting mauled or sit in line all day.
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    RSD is great here. It's at a small record store, the same people come every year. We have food trucks that set up, radio station - sometimes local bands come play for free in the parking lot. It's a fun experience.

    And at ours, most people help each other out. Theres been times I've been behind a bunch of people in line, and as they're digging through if they see something I'm looking for they'll grab it and hand it to me

    That being said, we rarely get DMB releases. Because, you know, east coast stores need to get 30 copies so that Arkansas (the whole state) can't get one.
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    Does anyone know how it's decided what selection each store gets for each RSD? And can you call your local store and request they order you a copy? Can't imagine it's completely random and they have no idea what they're allotted.
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    Does anyone know how it's decided what selection each store gets for each RSD? And can you call your local store and request they order you a copy? Can't imagine it's completely random and they have no idea what they're allotted.
    Basically stores order titles that they think will sell, and they request certain quantities. But it's never guaranteed that they get what they order, and fulfillment is pretty random at times.

    Last year my regular store in Michigan got 3 copies of RR95, meanwhile the store across town got 15-20.
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    Great to know this getting a wide release. I see RR95 is still available for face on Amazon. I know I won't be ordering this this year but if I decide to grab it one day next year it's good to know I can still get it at some point for a reasonable cost.
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    I know it's a long shot but here in Europe impossible to get.Please add me to the list Chad.
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    I know it's a long shot but here in Europe impossible to get.Please add me to the list Chad.
    You can order the black from Amazon no? I order stuff from various Amazon sellers (.it, .es, .de, .fr and .co.uk) frequently.

    Red Rocks vinyl is in stock on several EU Amazon websites.

    Or do you have to have the color variant?
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    I already talked to my local store about this. Know the guys well so hopefully they set me one or two aside. Would obviously help people here if I can get multiple.
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    You can order the black from Amazon no? I order stuff from various Amazon sellers (.it, .es, .de, .fr and .co.uk) frequently.

    Red Rocks vinyl is in stock on several EU Amazon websites.

    Or do you have to have the color variant?
    Yes I know I can order black version. There are plenty of opportunities to buy it - dmb site, amazon etc. I don't have to have colour version but it's nice to have a choice ;-)
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    I already talked to my local store about this. Know the guys well so hopefully they set me one or two aside. Would obviously help people here if I can get multiple.
    Lucky. I called a couple record stores around my area (northwest suburbs of chicago) and they all told me they don't know what they are getting yet, which I figured, but they also said they have never gotten any DMB related record store day exclusives which I found odd so i might be screwed. Im really excited for this release. This album is what turned me into a fan almost immediately. I remember listening to halloween off this when I was young but only with headphones on cuz I thought people would think I was weird hahah
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