Is D&T worth it anymore?

[snake911]

Originally Posted by Bmwm3oz

With all due respect, I think you have your marching orders then.

I was at a Beethoven symphony fairly recently and was seated next to a senior. He was probably 88. He had a (I forget the medical term) breathing assistant device where every 6 seconds, it would make a popping noise. If you’ve ever seen a classic symphony show before, you know you can literally hear a pin drop.

The noise was so distracting that I knew I wasn’t going to be able to enjoy the performance. I walked over to an employee and asked to be seated elsewhere, in the nicest way possible and feeling like a dick about it.

They had no problem finding me what ended up being a nicer seat. I wouldn’t have any problem doing this with drunk chicks nearby or whatever other distraction. The venue is supposed to take care of this type of thing. If they don’t, never return and rage about it over some review site or something. If enough people complain and don’t show up, something will probably be done.

I’m not saying I have all the solutions, but many people complain without ever really doing anything about it. Rather than spend 2-3 hours miserable, speak up and usually the issue gets resolved.

edit: if you have lawn tickets, you get what you pay for

For sure, I'm definitely not going to keep doing the same thing and going "fuck why is it always terrible when I do this thing!"

And in answering the OP's question, no it's not worth it for me anymore. I'm guessing the staff at the symphony hall is ready to cater to a much more discerning audience than your average 20k person shed usher. In that same vein, the best modern crowd I've been in was seeing Ben Harper solo at Davies Symphony Hall in SF. Dead quiet during all the songs, and he performed without amplification for a lot of the show. It was so good. The next night in Santa Barbara at a slightly smaller venue? Loud ass crowd drunks screaming out "Beeeeeeeeeennnnnnnnnn!" in the middle of songs. He even asked people to pipe down (politely), to no avail. So with ticket prices rising across the industry I'm getting really picky with the bands and venues I go to.

[zenos]

This is something that the band and production know about - the sound engineer actually start mixing from backstage with headphones because the crowds at D&T in 2017 were so loud and disrespectful. Actually liked it so much that they did the same thing for the Summer 2018 tour and it was only the System Engineer out front to tune the room and master volume.

That being said - what is people’s opinions on singing along at both D&T and DMB? I love to sing along and sometimes belt it out - I’ve always assumed this is alright as long as I’m pretty much in tune, but is that part of what people are complaining about as well? Or is it mainly just side conversations that are taking away from the atmosphere?

[Dankguitar]

Originally Posted by YankeesDMB41

I have no desire to see D+T in an outdoor amphitheater. That's a show that is best sitting in a theater. a D+T summer tour like in 2017 would do nothing for me.

Thought D&T at the Mann was close to ruined by the crowd. Set was great but the entire crowd was in conversation the entire night until they finally turned up the volume and either people became engaged or I just couldn’t hear them anymore. It’s super sad to me also as I’ve seen other bands/performers recently where the crowd is so attentive and it’s part of what makes a show special. When the whole audience is locked in and engaged it makes the show so much better

[Dankguitar]

I will also say this. D&T, like DMB, have lost what made them special. Compare Luther College and Storytellers and all their other 90s live shows and compare to how they sound now, not even close to the same. This is not just because of Dave’s voice, but also Tim’s acoustic playing seems to have suffered since playing so much electric with the band

[tyler3440]

Originally Posted by Dankguitar

I will also say this. D&T, like DMB, have lost what made them special. Compare Luther College and Storytellers and all their other 90s live shows and compare to how they sound now, not even close to the same. This is not just because of Dave’s voice, but also Tim’s acoustic playing seems to have suffered since playing so much electric with the band

The only thing that I think lacks with Tim’s playing is he use of effects. He used to use a ton of cool effects on acoustic in the 90s and now he uses a lot less it seems. The other problem is Dave’s guitar. I’m not sure what he used in 1997 but I know In 1999-2007 he used martins. Martin’s are just so much better then Rockbridge as a whole really. Especially in the acoustic setting. That’s just based on the sound that i hear on tapes and official releases. I haven’t played either brand so I have no clue how it really feels to play either one. Anyway, back then Dave also mic’d up and had his guitar pretty still the whole time. Not sure if they mic’d up Dave’s guitar at this show. I know I saw it recently maybe in the Mexico show, but he doesn’t keep it as still while playing these days.

Anyway, those are just a few complaints. I still feel as if D+T is a heck of lot closer to the same sound then anything the band as a whole since 2008. It’s kinda hard to have the same sound when a key member dies and another member completely drops the ball with his instrument. With that said in 2018, I truly enjoyed the band sound for like the first time in years.

[tyler3440]

Originally Posted by Dankguitar

Thought D&T at the Mann was close to ruined by the crowd. Set was great but the entire crowd was in conversation the entire night until they finally turned up the volume and either people became engaged or I just couldn’t hear them anymore. It’s super sad to me also as I’ve seen other bands/performers recently where the crowd is so attentive and it’s part of what makes a show special. When the whole audience is locked in and engaged it makes the show so much better

This is why I think the crowds at a dmb show are just weak these day. Nobody knows the good music anymore all they know are the cornbread’s, Shake me’s, sevens, and Louisiana bayou type songs. Love Lay Down, PFWYG, Cry Freedom, Seek Up, PM, YNK, and the Dreaming Tree type songs bore them to tears.

[tyler3440]

I’ll be willing to bet that some people going to these Dave and Tim shows in 2017 thought they were going to see the full band like any other year. They probably got into the show and thought they were doing the acoustic set thing again. I bet they were bored and were waiting for the acoustic set to end so they can get the full band party, and the full band never came out. People just read Dave on the ticket and assume it’s him and his band.

[Hahninator]

Originally Posted by tyler3440

I’ll be willing to bet that some people going to these Dave and Tim shows in 2017 thought they were going to see the full band like any other year. They probably got into the show and thought they were doing the acoustic set thing again. I bet they were bored and were waiting for the acoustic set to end so they can get the full band party, and the full band never came out. People just read Dave on the ticket and assume it’s him and his band.

Can confirm this. Waiting in line for Charleston people were surprised, at that moment before they were about to enter, that it was just Dave and Tim acoustic and it wasn't the full DMB. "We had no idea until you just told us that it was an acoustic show."

Not to mention the show started at 7:30 and almost half of the crowd (35-40%) was still outside... aka super obnoxiously drunk people trying to get by you all show and yelling as they come to their seats.

[TheLastPig]

Originally Posted by zenos

This is something that the band and production know about - the sound engineer actually start mixing from backstage with headphones because the crowds at D&T in 2017 were so loud and disrespectful. Actually liked it so much that they did the same thing for the Summer 2018 tour and it was only the System Engineer out front to tune the room and master volume.

That being said - what is people’s opinions on singing along at both D&T and DMB? I love to sing along and sometimes belt it out - I’ve always assumed this is alright as long as I’m pretty much in tune, but is that part of what people are complaining about as well? Or is it mainly just side conversations that are taking away from the atmosphere?

If youre singing along then youre paying attention, I couldnt care how you sound because the music is gonna drown it out anyway.

[ExistenceNow]

Originally Posted by TheLastPig

If youre singing along then youre paying attention, I couldnt care how you sound because the music is gonna drown it out anyway.

At DMB, for sure.

Sitting in a theater seat at D&T, good chance I'm going to hear your voice instead of the guy I paid to hear. Pipe down, chorus boy.

[ToySoldier#34]

I kind of like people singing along and think it adds to the whole atmosphere when everyone is into it, for some reason Crush always stands out as the prime example


EDIT ... at DMB, not D&T

[TheLastPig]

Originally Posted by ExistenceNow

At DMB, for sure.

Sitting in a theater seat at D&T, good chance I'm going to hear your voice instead of the guy I paid to hear. Pipe down, chorus boy.

Well yeah, you kinda just have to judge youre surroundings, if youre belting it out at the top of your lungs at D&T youre gonna stick out like a sore thumb.

[ToySoldier#34]

Originally Posted by TheLastPig

Well yeah, you kinda just have to judge youre surroundings, if youre belting it out at the top of your lungs at D&T youre gonna stick out like a sore thumb.

It really depends on which D&T show, which venue, song etc.

[Unedited]

I absolutely loved the D&T show I saw in 2017. Sound was great, setlist fantastic, etc.
The crowd wasn't fantastic, but atleast the music was louder.

I was at the Charleston show this past weekend. I was pretty disappointed because I couldn't hear them over the crowd.
The sound was low...and it was the absolute worst crowd I've ever seen at a show.
It was my girlfriend's first show of any kind and now I'm worried she'll never want to go to another one.

So... I'd say it's still worth it. But make sure you get close seats in a venue designed for music.

[SPAC12]

Does anyone know if any venues have ever experimented with a sober/peaceful section? Where if you're noticeably intoxicated, talking excessively during the songs, or flailing like a used car lot balloon man, you get booted to the lawn? Seems to me like a lot of these issues arise when shenanigans happen in your general vicinity, and having an entire section dedicated to people who just want to hear the music and enjoy the show would be beneficial. I know I'd pay a premium for that kind of guarantee. Get on this, Live Nation. Call it Double Secret Official Platinum or some shit, idk.

[TheLastPig]

what do you mean a sober section? how the hell would you judge that before the show or police that to sell tix in? If you want a relaxed vibe away from everyone go to the back of the lawn or to the side.

[LillywhiteisGod]

lol how do you buy tickets to a dave and tim show and think it is full dmb, never thinking to look at the website you order from or the ticket in your hand?

[TheLastPig]

Originally Posted by LillywhiteisGod

lol how do you buy tickets to a dave and tim show and think it is full dmb, never thinking to look at the website you order from or the ticket in your hand?

id say most people are morons and saw dave and tim and just assumed it was dmb w/ tim, not realizing he has been with the band for a decade+

[dmbnut21]

Anyone know where I should sit at the venue when I just need my safe space?

[SPAC12]

Originally Posted by TheLastPig

what do you mean a sober section? how the hell would you judge that before the show or police that to sell tix in? If you want a relaxed vibe away from everyone go to the back of the lawn or to the side.

Just a hypothetical, and wondering if any venue has ever tried something like this in the past. I'm not saying breathalyze everyone in this designated section - most people can have a few drinks and not be an asshole. But as some people on here have said, there seems to be a lot of people who attend DMB and D&T concerts just for the occasion to get plastered. They could give a shit about what's playing, and act accordingly.

In smaller venues, people get booted for doing dumb things all the time (smoking j's indoors, trying to crowd surf, fighting, etc.). I think it would be a neat idea to have the ability to purchase an reserved ticket in the "relaxed section", fully knowing the risk of losing your spot if security catches you being a dick.

Yes, something like this would be pretty controversial and hard to police. But I just think you shouldn't be forced to "go to the back of the lawn" if you want to hear the show AND not worry about having beer spilled down your back, especially after dropping $200+ on a ticket.

[oliverwest]

Originally Posted by SPAC12

Does anyone know if any venues have ever experimented with a sober/peaceful section? Where if you're noticeably intoxicated, talking excessively during the songs, or flailing like a used car lot balloon man, you get booted to the lawn? Seems to me like a lot of these issues arise when shenanigans happen in your general vicinity, and having an entire section dedicated to people who just want to hear the music and enjoy the show would be beneficial. I know I'd pay a premium for that kind of guarantee. Get on this, Live Nation. Call it Double Secret Official Platinum or some shit, idk.

Nope. But like I said earlier in this thread... D and T could pick smaller theaters and eliminate the alcohol thing all together.. Like let people have a drink in the lobby, but don't let it in the seats... I think it would help. Other intimate acts have done it. But DMB management knows the audience is there to party. Maybe when Dave is 70 they'll consider it.

[jmkratt]

Originally Posted by comeandsee41

these days, ill take a DT show over DMB, no question.

I absolutely agree.

[Bmwm3oz]

Carter is the only reason I got into DMB so this will never be the case for me.

[Dankguitar]

Originally Posted by SPAC12

Does anyone know if any venues have ever experimented with a sober/peaceful section? Where if you're noticeably intoxicated, talking excessively during the songs, or flailing like a used car lot balloon man, you get booted to the lawn? Seems to me like a lot of these issues arise when shenanigans happen in your general vicinity, and having an entire section dedicated to people who just want to hear the music and enjoy the show would be beneficial. I know I'd pay a premium for that kind of guarantee. Get on this, Live Nation. Call it Double Secret Official Platinum or some shit, idk.

I can tell you intoxication is far from the whole explanation. I’ve been to several shows where people are intoxicated and still super focused on the show. Dave just attracts the asshole intoxicated types

[tyler3440]

Originally Posted by TheLastPig

id say most people are morons and saw dave and tim and just assumed it was dmb w/ tim, not realizing he has been with the band for a decade+

Or all they know is Dave and they just assume it’s full band or whatever

[davem#36]

I absolutely loved the D&amp;T show I saw in 2017. Sound was great, setlist fantastic, etc.<br>
The crowd wasn't fantastic, but atleast the music was louder.<br>
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I was at the Charleston show this past weekend. I was pretty disappointed because I couldn't hear them over the crowd.<br>
The sound was low...and it was the absolute worst crowd I've ever seen at a show. <br>
It was my girlfriend's first show of any kind and now I'm worried she'll never want to go to another one.<br>
<br>
So... I'd say it's still worth it. But make sure you get close seats in a venue designed for music.

Like her first concert ever?

[davem#36]

lol how do you buy tickets to a dave and tim show and think it is full dmb, never thinking to look at the website you order from or the ticket in your hand?

Right?? Unbelievable.

[watsonbriant]

something i’d love to see is a Dave, Stefan, and Carter tour. just the three originals doing stripped down versions of the songs. similar to halloween at the gorge 2002.

[dreamingtree_34]

They could so easily control this by including notes on the ticket and venue signage that say "as it's an acoustic show- quiet is requested during the song performances so a not to disturb the experience of other patrons." (Articulating common sense for dumb fucks). So many musical performances have this basic guidance. Ushers and security could help enforce this, and Dave could say a word or two where needed as he used to.

[TwoStep2888]

D&T are on my concert bucket list