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Old 11-05-2007, 10:14 PM   #61
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Re: is live release studio editing out of control?

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no, i can. they could have picked any pay for what you get from 1994...but they picked one with a flub right off the top. that was just a poor pick imo.

with a live release, you can't find one without some sort of little mistake, so a release with some flubs wouldn't bother me as much...if at all.

edit: i hope you can see the distinction i'm making

I understand your reasoning and distinction, but I still feel it is a bit of a double standard.

And really... autotuning, fixing vocals, releasing imperfect songs, re-recording solos, etc.... is it really that big of a deal? The band will have given us what... 15 releases in the past two years at the end of 2007? Let's appreciate that instead of nitpicking everything.
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    mm that is true....i agree with you....its mostly the full swapage and autotuning dave that im not a fan of.
    right.
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    Old 11-05-2007, 10:18 PM   #63
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    Yea, I got rid of that as soon as read it.
    Too drunk and still drinking.
    Haha...I'm just messing with you.
    Have fun drinking. I am going to watch Lost.

    ps...say no to Autotune.
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    Old 11-05-2007, 10:19 PM   #64
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    Re: is live release studio editing out of control?

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    I understand your reasoning and distinction, but I still feel it is a bit of a double standard.

    And really... autotuning, fixing vocals, releasing imperfect songs, re-recording solos, etc.... is it really that big of a deal? The band will have given us what... 15 releases in the past two years at the end of 2007? Let's appreciate that instead of nitpicking everything.
    hey i'm just asking you all if you think it's too much. clearly, you don't and that's fine.
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    Old 11-05-2007, 10:20 PM   #65
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    Haha...I'm just messing with you.
    Have fun drinking. I am going to watch Lost.

    ps...say no to Autotune.
    Much love, much love!!!!!!!
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    Old 11-05-2007, 10:21 PM   #66
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    Much love, much love!!!!!!!
    mmmm...no autotuning needed:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5EEWMHWEdQ

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    Old 11-05-2007, 10:23 PM   #67
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    mmmm...no autotuning needed:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5EEWMHWEdQ

    That is sweet!
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    Old 11-05-2007, 10:38 PM   #68
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    Nooooooooooooooooooo Prooooooooooooooof
    Are you serious? There's proof. What more proof could there be than the solos being different?
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    Old 11-05-2007, 10:50 PM   #69
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    Re: is live release studio editing out of control?

    It's an incredibly noticeable difference, but at the same time, I don't care. I'd rather they had fake falsettos thrown in then hearing Dave a la Gorge 02 #41
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    Old 11-05-2007, 10:53 PM   #70
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    It's an incredibly noticeable difference, but at the same time, I don't care. I'd rather they had fake falsettos thrown in then hearing Dave a la Gorge 02 #41
    agreed.
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    Old 11-05-2007, 10:57 PM   #71
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    Show me proof.
    wow r u serious??
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    Old 11-05-2007, 10:57 PM   #72
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    That is sweet!
    the word u r looking for is amazing, that is amazing..
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    Old 11-05-2007, 11:18 PM   #73
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    wow r u serious??
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    Old 11-05-2007, 11:20 PM   #74
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    Re: is live release studio editing out of control?

    chris, he said that 41 police video was "sweet".... hahah sweet, i would do anything for them to play it the way 41 SHOULD BE PLAYED
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    Old 11-05-2007, 11:22 PM   #75
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    chris, he said that 41 police video was "sweet".... hahah sweet, i would do anything for them to play it the way 41 SHOULD BE PLAYED
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    Old 11-05-2007, 11:32 PM   #76
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    Nooooooooooooooooooo Prooooooooooooooof
    1. There is proof, as already stated.
    2. More importantly: this technology is available, and WIDELY (probably invariably) used for live releases by many bands. What would be the basis for anyone to think that DMB does not use it?

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    I understand your reasoning and distinction, but I still feel it is a bit of a double standard.
    He really isn't advocating a double standard. He is merely saying that when you are releasing a single track from a show, you do not have to pick a track with a flub. Why pick a track with a flub when you could comb through the 150 or so performances of PFWYG from 1995 or earlier for the VERY best one?

    Also, I am not opposed to fixing an isolated, obvious, horrible mistake in an otherwise pretty tidy show; but to re-record or otherwise run an entire show through a machine to ensure a pitch-perfect flawless recording for release is a bit disingenuous. But, I am no longer surprised by the commercial aspects of the band, though it continues to disappoint me. I pretty much reserved myself to this incarnation of the boys when I watched Dave go from wearing pj's on stage to what he is wearing on the cover of Everyday.
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    Old 11-06-2007, 01:49 AM   #77
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    I have live in Chicago on video, I never noticed anything.
    The DVDs of this show that are traded (well, at least mine that I have) are the official release audio dubbed over the visuals. You can pick up just from looking at Boyd that he's not playing what you are hearing.
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    Old 11-06-2007, 02:17 AM   #78
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    Chris, I was the guy that took that clip you posted !

    Honestly I can't tell you if Dave hit or missed because it was almost unlistenable due to all the crowd screaming !
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    Old 11-06-2007, 03:44 AM   #79
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    Re: is live release studio editing out of control?

    I'm not reading this whole thread, but if there are people out there that don't think that the Live In Chicago release was edited, you're high.


    That's the main reason fans were displeased with it upon it's release.


    yes, DMB touches up all of the releases.
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    Old 11-06-2007, 05:23 AM   #80
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    yes, DMB touches up all of the releases.
    No question about that, but I feel like people here over-detect those touch-ups. I hear relatively little autotone applied to Dave's voice on the releases I listen to, and no one ever seems to come throguh with specific examples for me of particularly egregious vocal autotoning.

    I knew about the Chicago LIOG, and it's also plain to see that Boyd's mic is (mercifcully) turned waaay down during some parts of Central Park. I'd say there's a difference between re-recording something and dropping someone in the mix when they fuck up.
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    Old 11-06-2007, 05:29 AM   #81
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    How can you tell what Dave is even singing on that video with the guy singing along so loudly? Not saying they didn't edit it but how can you hear anything based on that video.
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    Old 11-06-2007, 05:33 AM   #82
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    It's an incredibly noticeable difference, but at the same time, I don't care. I'd rather they had fake falsettos thrown in then hearing Dave a la Gorge 02 #41
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    agreed.

    I don't mean to pick apart words, but didn't Jorge just completely cut up your own argument -- and then you agreed with him?? I'm confused. You're whining this whole thread about how they touched up Dave's falsetto in #41, then Jorge sites the Gorge '02 example and you agree..meaning that you support fixing Dave's off-pitch vocals?? I dunno, I'm having a hard time figuring out exactly which team you're playing for here.
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    I don't mean to pick apart words, but didn't Jorge just completely cut up your own argument -- and then you agreed with him?? I'm confused. You're whining this whole thread about how they touched up Dave's falsetto in #41, then Jorge sites the Gorge '02 example and you agree..meaning that you support fixing Dave's off-pitch vocals?? I dunno, I'm having a hard time figuring out exactly which team you're playing for here.
    I think he's of the "they should only release shows of the very highest musical quality" OR "live with their mistakes" camp.
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    Old 11-06-2007, 05:54 AM   #84
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    Honestly guys, ofcourse stuff will be edited. Do you like listening to raw soundboards? I personally do not? Now everything gets mixed first, then it gets equalized and stuff gets changed, noise gets filtered etc. Btw Chris his falsetto's aren't perfect at all on the LT10 release, and he does miss a falsetto (but not '"staaay" I think). His voice is FAR from perfect here on the official disc.
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    Old 11-06-2007, 05:56 AM   #85
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    I'd rather hear Dave hit the falsettos than sound like ass personally.
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    Old 11-06-2007, 05:58 AM   #86
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    Yeah but fake shit ain't fun, I'd have to agree there with some people here.

    Nonetheless imho, LT10 sounds very natural, from my understanding it had the same kind of acoustics as in Bruxelles. Sounds somewhat the same exact obviously smoother.

    Still loving this concert btw.
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    Old 11-06-2007, 06:48 AM   #87
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    Yeah but fake shit ain't fun, I'd have to agree there with some people here.

    Nonetheless imho, LT10 sounds very natural, from my understanding it had the same kind of acoustics as in Bruxelles. Sounds somewhat the same exact obviously smoother.

    Still loving this concert btw.
    It's more fun to hear Dave hit the falsetto smoothly than sound like he did at the Gorge in 2002. Seriously how many times do any of you listen to the Gorge Satellite or #41? Probably never because of the vocals. I'd rather have some minor editing than a version that is ruined because the falsetto sounds like shit.
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    Old 11-06-2007, 07:02 AM   #88
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    It's more fun to hear Dave hit the falsetto smoothly than sound like he did at the Gorge in 2002. Seriously how many times do any of you listen to the Gorge Satellite or #41? Probably never because of the vocals. I'd rather have some minor editing than a version that is ruined because the falsetto sounds like shit.
    Seriously though, that Satellite is beyond saving.
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    Old 11-06-2007, 08:53 AM   #89
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    Re: is live release studio editing out of control?

    you want another pretty blantant example of them fixing a release?

    Tripping Billies - LT6 (Fenway)

    here's a youtube vid - check out the very last "For tomorrow we die" (it's at 5:22 in the video):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZM3cAodXAU

    in this version, Dave screams it really loud. now go listen to the release - Dave sings it normally. I think they used the clip of "for tomorrow we die" from one of the other times he sings it in the song and replaced the real one with it.
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    Old 11-06-2007, 09:07 AM   #90
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    Yeah this has been around too long. But, Theres nothing anyone can do about it. Although, IDK where I'd be with out LiC, edited or not.

    I have to say though If they really have an itch for releasing something that needs heavy editing, then edit it. But with the hundreds of shows that are damn near perfect and don't need editing (as much, if at all), why do they keep turning to crap shows.

    This is why I'm so incredibly grateful that we have SBD's from the early 90's. I can pick and choose my own set and it's free!
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