Hartford 2003/D&F Announcement

[C.S.]

SUAD has always felt like they were trying to force that "Tripping Billies" the label was so desperate for at the time. In that case, I can understand why the band ended up abandoning it. I've never heard it live, but it's always come across as rather hollow/shallow to me.

[WhereYouGoin]

Originally Posted by Dannyyankou

I think there's some truth to that.

About the shows being short, shows under 2 hours were a lot more common in 2003. The shows at the Home Depot Center a month earlier were even shorter.

The Sacramento show on July 30, 2003 which was played for the Drive-in on June 17 was just a 2 hours 5 minute concert.

[Dannyyankou]

Originally Posted by WhereYouGoin

The Sacramento show on July 30, 2003 which was played for the Drive-in on June 17 was just a 2 hours 5 minute concert.

That’s actually around average for that tour. There were some under an hour and 50 minutes.

[Dodo36]

Originally Posted by C.S.

SUAD has always felt like they were trying to force that "Tripping Billies" the label was so desperate for at the time. In that case, I can understand why the band ended up abandoning it. I've never heard it live, but it's always come across as rather hollow/shallow to me.

I can see that, especially in light of "Where's the Tripping Billies?" label comments.

There's something about SUAD that we love, but I get it as a musician and former studio producer/arranger. There's something forced about the beat and progression when you really analyze it. It's super on the beat compared to a lot of their other tunes and I can see how the experience would be different playing it than hearing it. I'd never heard that about Carter being hung up on the lyrics, unless that was a misinterpretation of what was said. Because the lyrical content is all over the place, and Lord of the Flies is a random verse.

'00-'07 there were a number of near-break-ups. Nearly every session in the '00s occurred during a potential break-up or relit those fires. LWS. ED. BS. SD. SU. '06. '07. Early '08. To the band's credit, most of the in-fighting happened behind closed doors and wasn't spoken about publicly for a long time. Even still most of that knowledge is from flies on the wall, which introduces a lot of 'not getting the subtext' and loose misinterpretation.

Whenever anyone says the same line near identically in multiple places, it's been rehearsed. If they say something about what they love with less than a real half-grin, it's been coached. I've been there, and it sucks, and there's a reason most musician's aren't actors. So you have to take Rolling Stone pieces that are timely in a band's career with a grain of salt. The retrospective pieces they usually get right, but the in the moment ones typically follow a label thread. Sometimes because that's what the label/mgmt has coached the band to say; sometimes because the reporter was doing the spin piece in order to get to do the meaty article they really wanted. There's always three sides to a story, and the last one rarely gets print or coverage.

[moosicmaniac]

Originally Posted by grilldanmo

I think Carter and Fonz would be the ones that would likely write the most objective and holistic account. I don't think Dave ever will share the story and it seems like any account from Boyd would be potentially skewed towards his personal experience.

Well if Fonz's crying on Twitter is any indication, anything in his book would have to be taken with a grain of salt.

[two-by-twostep]

Originally Posted by tubaguy1145

I remember reading in a magazine back in the early 00’s, concerning Dave’s battle with depression and the tension within the band around 2000-2001. Kind of can’t believe I was able to Google up the exact article I was thinking of, but here it is:

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/m...atthews-85267/

Originally Posted by crashintonickdm

I love the first part of the article

They are talking about 12/17/00. Daveheads who traveled up from Virginia who said there were no surprises. Seek up opener debuted, and blue water was played the 2nd time that month after not being seen for 7 years. Not to mention show time was normal for the tour, and his voice didn’t suffer either.

Originally Posted by Dannyyankou

Didn’t Dave have the flu for that 12/17/00 show? I feel like I read that somewhere.

Here's a Copperpot video of the Philly show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSFZ...gC35E&index=11

Haven't had a chance to watch it yet to see if Dave is noticeably sick

[crashintonickdm]

I’ll always maintain that’s one of their best performances of seek up

[OneSweetMonkey]

Originally Posted by snow1868

It's this, really.

Definitely could be, yeah.

[dreamingtree_34]

Anyone have any further detail on how the Hartford '03 situation went down / how the band took the Some Devil news? What I don't understand is, if the other band members knew Dave recorded a solo album with other musicians that was dropping in Sept, why would they be surprised that DMB weren't going on the promotional tour for that record?

In this vid of 8.31.03 it seems pretty clear that Carter is pissed off and cold shouldering Dave whenever he looks back at him. On the bright side-- it's awesome to have a consistent view on Carter in this vid to watch him beat the fuck out of the drums for full songs. So entertaining to watch him perform something like Too Much straight through: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY1P2pMui1Y

[Adidas_Green]

Huh? Lol. They are clearly smiling in the first song when they look at each other.

Anyone have any further detail on how the Hartford '03 situation went down / how the band took the Some Devil news? What I don't understand is, if the other band members knew Dave recorded a solo album with other musicians that was dropping in Sept, why would they be surprised that DMB weren't going on the promotional tour for that record?<br>
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In this vid of 8.31.03 it seems pretty clear that Carter is pissed off and cold shouldering Dave whenever he looks back at him. On the bright side-- it's awesome to have a consistent view on Carter in this vid to watch him beat the fuck out of the drums for full songs. So entertaining to watch him perform something like Too Much straight through: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY1P2pMui1Y" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY1P2pMui1Y</a>

[chadizzy1]

Originally Posted by tubaguy1145

I remember reading in a magazine back in the early 00’s, concerning Dave’s battle with depression and the tension within the band around 2000-2001. Kind of can’t believe I was able to Google up the exact article I was thinking of, but here it is:

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/m...atthews-85267/

That was a really good article. I'd never seen that before.

[Madnana]

Originally Posted by dreamingtree_34

Anyone have any further detail on how the Hartford '03 situation went down / how the band took the Some Devil news? What I don't understand is, if the other band members knew Dave recorded a solo album with other musicians that was dropping in Sept, why would they be surprised that DMB weren't going on the promotional tour for that record?

Well, anytime the band releases a new album, they don't play ONLY from that album.. they play a mix of old and new songs. So maybe the band assumed that Dave would play a few more solo slots than usual on the Some Devil tour? Remember that Dave had played Gravedigger solo at DMB shows for a couple of years by this time. And if the band had heard the record, then they knew that other songs could have been played Dave solo easily (especially Some Devil, which is just Dave and an electric guitar). So their assumption was probably that they would have to sit those songs out and only play on the DMB songs that would have probably been mixed into the setlist as well.

[dmbwadeo]

On the SiriusXM Channel they have some clips of Dave talking about BTCS and he mentions the band being tired and dysfunctional. I'm not sure if that is an indication of more going on behind the scenes with the band even as far back as '98

[DMBBeav]

Never heard this Hartford story, (and nothing I'm about to say is going to be a revelation) but it was recently explained to me by someone who 100% knows that the Lillywhite Sessions recording simply didn't go well from a band perspective (as in they were in disagreement over the quality of the majority of the songs), which trickled into a record company perspective(oh shit, this money machine is showing all of the signs of a band breaking up), which led to the move away from Lillywhite towards the end of the 2000 tour.

As we all know, Dave wrote the Everyday songs with Ballard in less than two weeks and they pumped the album out - a process which could be described as easy. The band came in and recorded their parts - easy. This helped save the band during this era.

What I find interesting is that the cliche band break up story (think a movie like That Thing You Do) usually finds the face of the band (Dave) syncing up with some famous, new producer or executive type (Ballard), packaging it in a style that is very commercial and completely unlike their previous work (Everyday) and the rest of the band feeling left behind and betrayed.

The only part of this cliche that didn't happen was the key part; apparently the band was on board with the Everyday recording process(or at least moreso than what was happening with Lillywhite).

In other words, doing the cliche "band break up story" is what actually saved this band in 2000/2001.

[YouNeverKnow25]

The other members of the band definitely could have been happy with the everyday sessions and being told what to play, and it kept them together and hunky-dory.

Or, someone told them that the money train was going another direction either way and they could either get on board or not.

[spider-man]

This is all speculation: Perhaps the band thought that the album was not as important to them because of the amount of time they spent playing live shows -- on the road they could make changes and add solos. And maybe Dave promised that he would make it up to the band by planning to revisit the LWS songs for the BS album.

It may also be possible that Dave was not completely thrilled with the Ballard experience, except as a one time thing. I say this because he never really worked with Ballard (or someone like him) again. Even when Dave had a set of songs that the band was not feeling (those that were released on Some Devil), he worked with a group of musicians like Tim and Trey instead of just going solo with a slick pop producer.

[DannoMac21]

Originally Posted by spider-man

This is all speculation: Perhaps the band thought that the album was not as important to them because of the amount of time they spent playing live shows -- on the road they could make changes and add solos. And maybe Dave promised that he would make it up to the band by planning to revisit the LWS songs for the BS album.

I could be very, very wrong on this, but the way I take it is that Dave liked the LWS and the music, and other band members didn't like the direction it was going.

Again, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I feel like the band forced Dave to do the Ballard thing. I feel like the band forced Dave to go in the direction of Stand Up. That's why Dave makes those "2001 wasn't us, it was the Dave Matthews Band featuring Glen Ballard. 2005 was the Dave Matthews Band featuring Mark Batson" comments in that 2009 article.

Dave's song selection in setlists is horrendous, but I think he might have been on the hardcore fans side of things back in the early 2000s, but again, could be wrong

[DannoMac21]

Originally Posted by DMBBeav

As we all know, Dave wrote the Everyday songs with Ballard in less than two weeks and they pumped the album out - a process which could be described as easy. The band came in and recorded their parts - easy.

That's so lazy. Jesus.

For a band as talented as DMB, can't help but get frustrated.

[jwehaeDMB]

Originally Posted by DannoMac21

I could be very, very wrong on this, but the way I take it is that Dave liked the LWS and the music, and other band members didn't like the direction it was going.

Again, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I feel like the band forced Dave to do the Ballard thing. I feel like the band forced Dave to go in the direction of Stand Up. That's why Dave makes those "2001 wasn't us, it was the Dave Matthews Band featuring Glen Ballard. 2005 was the Dave Matthews Band featuring Mark Batson" comments in that 2009 article.

Dave's song selection in setlists is horrendous, but I think he might have been on the hardcore fans side of things back in the early 2000s, but again, could be wrong

this part is for sure not wrong

[spiza]

Originally Posted by jwehaeDMB

this part is for sure not wrong

I agree since 2016 Daves set list creating is garbage. I left all the shows in 2018 and 2019 underwhelmed. He writes much better sets when its a D&T setting. Seek Up and LIOG are shells of what they used to be as well.