DUMB things that bother you

[thelindz]

Originally Posted by d+ter

point is, words aren't always pronounced phoenetically in English.

my post went way over you head. people that are trying to be hyper-grammatical in this thread have been incorrect. i was correcting some of the fallacies. february can be pronounced both the way you say is incorrect and the way you say is correct. and the guy that was getting on people for abbreviating et cetera incorrectly wasn't even abbreviating the correct word. that's the point.

and steve, "good" is an adjective and "well" functions as an adverb (in this case). I (subject) am (linking verb) good (adjective - subject compliment). I (subject) am (linking verb) doing (action verb) well (adverb).

Does it really matter if its one word or two? Its still abbreviated etc.

[TwoSteppingAnts]

Originally Posted by thelindz

I am not quite sure why you're laughing.

Because you said "spelt".

[d+ter]

Originally Posted by thelindz

I am not quite sure why you're laughing.

you're being anal about grammar and you murdered that 4-word sentence.

[thelindz]

Originally Posted by TwoSteppingAnts

Because you said "spelt".

Its a word.

[dmbgodagirl41]

Originally Posted by GOB_

Why is this wrong?

you cannot be well. you can be good.

good = adjective; it describes someone or some thing. That's a good cake. You did a good job. Good describes THINGS. I am good.
well = adverve. I did well. I am doing well. that went well. He argued that very well. Well describes HOW something is done or described.

the "I am well" or "I am good" argument is somewhat confusing. Being verbs are like = signs. He is short. He = short. Therefore, in that situation, short is an adjective, because it describes what He is. Good is an adjective; therefore, "I am good" is correct. The only way "well" is used correctly is if you are talking about your health or your actual being, but you must add "doing" or another adverb to go with how you are.

I am good. I = good; adjective.
I am DOING well. Well describes how you are doing, not you; adverb.

It's complicated, but makes sense.

[GOB_]

Originally Posted by thelindz

People still say "excetra"... whats your point?

Its still spelt February.

I won't fall for this again. I learned my lesson.

Originally Posted by Shagadelic

It's actually correct.


Thanks for the explanation, Russell and Katie.

[d+ter]

Originally Posted by thelindz

Does it really matter if its one word or two? Its still abbreviated etc.

they're two different words with different meanings. have you tried checking the dictionary about this or are you still just going off what you think is right?

the words mean different things. it's a very small distinction, but there's still a difference.

[thelindz]

Originally Posted by d+ter

they're two different words with different meanings. have you tried checking the dictionary about this or are you still just going off what you think is right?

the words mean different things. it's a very small distinction, but there's still a difference.

So... what are you trying to say?

How is it supposed to be abbreviated?

[xxdmbxx250]

Originally Posted by d+ter

point is, words aren't always pronounced phoenetically in English.

my post went way over you head. people that are trying to be hyper-grammatical in this thread have been incorrect. i was correcting some of the fallacies. february can be pronounced both the way you say is incorrect and the way you say is correct. and the guy that was getting on people for abbreviating et cetera incorrectly wasn't even abbreviating the correct word. that's the point.

and steve, "good" is an adjective and "well" functions as an adverb (in this case). I (subject) am (linking verb) good (adjective - subject compliment). I (subject) am (linking verb) doing (action verb) well (adverb).

Well I don't know what dictionary you are using, but et cetera and etcetera mean the same thing. (This comment was verified by TWO dictionaries.) All I was complaining about was the fact that people abbreviate it wrong.

[d+ter]

Originally Posted by thelindz

So... what are you trying to say?

How is it supposed to be abbreviated?

he's right about how it's abbreviated.

et cetera is abbreviated etc. but etcetera is not abbreviated.

like i said, i'm being extremely picky about it, but i feel (as a grammar nut) that if you're going to be picky about grammar you gotta be picky all the time.

et cetera means "and others especially of the same kind : and so forth"

i bolded the part that the abbreviation is used for.

etcetera means "1 : a number of unspecified additional persons or things
2 plural : unspecified additional items"

do you see the (small) difference in definitions?

[d+ter]

Originally Posted by xxdmbxx250

Well I don't know what dictionary you are using, but et cetera and etcetera mean the same thing. (This comment was verified by TWO dictionaries.) All I was complaining about was the fact that people abbreviate it wrong.

you might want to check your dictionaries, because if they're dictionary.com and the merriam-webster online, they most definitely do not mean the same thing.

[thelindz]

It's pretty much the same thing. You're just being anal. Who cares if its one word or two... when people write "etc." they mean one thing...

And the abbreviation is just what it is... etc.

[xxdmbxx250]

Originally Posted by d+ter

he's right about how it's abbreviated.

et cetera is abbreviated etc. but etcetera is not abbreviated.

Yes that's fine for you to be extremely picky, but I am just sick and tired of people not even knowing what to use as a correct abbreviation. Let alone which is the correct word to abbreviate.

[steffie224]

Plain & simple rule: Don't argue spelling with Russell. He is a the god of english language!



First thing he told me ever...spelling is his #1 pet peeve.

[thelindz]

Spelt is a word!

[d+ter]

Originally Posted by thelindz

It's pretty much the same thing. You're just being anal. Who cares if its one word or two... when people write "etc." they mean one thing...

And the abbreviation is just what it is... etc.

i've already said that i'm being picky. did you forget what you're being picky about? february has (at least) two different pronunciations.

[TwoSteppingAnts]

Originally Posted by thelindz

Its a word.

I didn't say that it wasn't, I was telling you why he was laughing.

[thelindz]

I just thought I'd mention it... my mom always corrects me.

She is the grammar/pronunciation police 'round these parts.

[d+ter]

Originally Posted by steffie224

Plain & simple rule: Don't argue spelling with Russell. He is a the god of english language!



First thing he told me ever...spelling is his #1 pet peeve.

it's true

here's one for everybody -- this may be a bombshell to some grammar nerds: "don't end a sentence with a preposition" is a wive's tale.

[d+ter]

Originally Posted by xxdmbxx250

Yes that's fine for you to be extremely picky, but I am just sick and tired of people not even knowing what to use as a correct abbreviation. Let alone which is the correct word to abbreviate.

[thelindz]

Originally Posted by TwoSteppingAnts

I didn't say that it wasn't, I was telling you why he was laughing.

Yeah I knew why he was laughing... but it didn't seem to make sense.

Anyway, thanks.

[MacGuyver]

Originally Posted by d+ter

people that think there is only one "correct" way to pronounce certain words bother me...

Usage Note: Although the variant pronunciation (fby-r) is often censured because it doesn't reflect the spelling of the word, it is quite common in educated speech and is generally considered acceptable. The loss of the first r in this pronunciation can be accounted for by the phonological process known as dissimilation, by which similar sounds in a word tend to become less similar. In the case of February, the loss of the first r is also owing to the influence of January, which has only one r.

you can defend it all you want. that doesn't make it right. those are like excuses and reasons why people drop the R, but that doesn't mean you're supposed to. Its in there for a reason.

I think its pretty stupid that there are two legitimate ways to pronounce a word (of which february does NOT fall in this category) - what does this accomplish? To show that our language is very inefficient.

as an aside, i hate when people say enviro-ment. enviroNment people!

[TwoSteppingAnts]

If you're British, spelt is a word.

[steffie224]

Originally Posted by d+ter

it's true

here's one for everybody -- this may be a bombshell to some grammar nerds: "don't end a sentence with a preposition" is a wive's tale.

NO! I get on my husband constantly for that one! Could...I possibly...be.....wrong??????????

[d+ter]

Originally Posted by MacGuyver

you can defend it all you want. that doesn't make it right. those are like excuses and reasons why people drop the R, but that doesn't mean you're supposed to. Its in there for a reason.

I think its pretty stupid that there are two legitimate ways to pronounce a word (of which february does NOT fall in this category) - what does this accomplish? To show that our language is very inefficient.

as an aside, i hate when people say enviro-ment. enviroNment people!

i probably should have linked the dictionary site i got that from, mac. that wasn't my "usage note:" it was the dictionary's.

edit: personally, i pronounce february with a very short first "r." feb-r-you-airy. VERY short first "r."

[thelindz]

It doesn't matter if its January or Janruary... February still has a pronouncable R.

[TwoSteppingAnts]

This thread is turning into a dumb thing that bothers me

[dmbgodagirl41]

Originally Posted by d+ter

i've already said that i'm being picky. did you forget what you're being picky about? february has (at least) two different pronunciations.

speaking of pronunciations, there is a city in Massachusetts, called
Worcester.
everyone I know (not from MA) says "war-chester". This wouldnt annoy me under certain circumstances, but one time, my friend said, "oh, you're from near War-chester, cool".
I then went to the kitchen, pulled out WORCESTERSHIRE sauce, and said "say this sauce".
He says "Wuhstershire" sauce. I cover up "shire". He INSISTS it's still "war-chester".


it shouldnt annoy me, but it does!

[thelindz]

Originally Posted by dmbgodagirl41

speaking of pronunciations, there is a city in Massachusetts, called
Worcester.
everyone I know (not from MA) says "war-chester". This wouldnt annoy me under certain circumstances, but one time, my friend said, "oh, you're from near War-chester, cool".
I then went to the kitchen, pulled out WORCESTERSHIRE sauce, and said "say this sauce".
He says "Wuhstershire" sauce. I cover up "shire". He INSISTS it's still "war-chester".


it shouldnt annoy me, but it does!

I hate when I watch cooking shows and they say "warshster" sauce or something. GET IT RIGHT!

[MacGuyver]

Originally Posted by d+ter

it's true

here's one for everybody -- this may be a bombshell to some grammar nerds: "don't end a sentence with a preposition" is a wive's tale.

that's one of the funniest lines in the beavis and butthead movie.

Agent Bork: Chief! Ya know that guy whose camper they were whackin' off in?
Agent Fleming: Bork, you're a federal agent! You represent the United States Government! Never end a sentence with a preposition.
Agent Bork: Oh, uh... Ya know that guy in whose camper they... I... I mean, that guy off in whose camper they were whacking?