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OneSweetMonkey · 09-28-2006, 10:52 AM

I'm a little disappointed in it. I mean, it sounds great, but as a straight SBD. It doesn't sound like they mixed it too much into a matrix at all. You can't even hear the crowd during Sweet Caroline, and that is one of the coolest parts of the two shows.
And honestly, with the mix sounding like this, is there even a point in putting Break Free, Idear or Can't Stop on a studio album? Because with a mix like this, they already sound like studio recordings.
Just my opinion. What do y'all think?

thornhilldmbfan · 09-28-2006, 10:58 AM

i totlally agree with u! i dont have the new live trax sicne it hasnt been released in canada but i have heard the clips on the circuit city website and i made the exact same point. the y definitely sound liek studio recordings and its a shame the crowd is barely noticeable on sweet caroline

jrh83 · 09-28-2006, 11:04 AM

I think it sounds great

clayj41 · 09-28-2006, 11:07 AM

The new songs do sound like studio versions.

OneSweetMonkey · 09-28-2006, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jrh83

I think it sounds great

I do, too. Just not as a live, matrix-mixed recording. Honestly, if this is just supposed to be a soundboard mix, than cool.

cityondown5 · 09-28-2006, 11:12 AM

Thing that pisses me off is when it sounds like they just added little bits of crowd here and there. Esp. during IOY right at the second "I FALLLL SO HARRRDD.."

bradshaw06 · 09-28-2006, 11:18 AM

could someone explain what its meant when saying its mix?

cityondown5 · 09-28-2006, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by bradshaw06

could someone explain what its meant when saying its mix?

The sound. Listen to Red Rocks 95 and Central Park. You will notice a distinct sound difference. Central Park has more of the crowd mixed in and RR has almost no crowd at all.

Edit: and Folsom Fields is just shitty.

djurzi · 09-28-2006, 11:22 AM

I agree. It sounds great, but it could have been mixed better. They really filtered out too much of the crowd.

bradshaw06 · 09-28-2006, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by cityondown5

The sound. Listen to Red Rocks 95 and Central Park. You will notice a distinct sound difference. Central Park has more of the crowd mixed in and RR has almost no crowd at all.

Edit: and Folsom Fields is just shitty.

o i got ya thanks

OneSweetMonkey · 09-28-2006, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by bradshaw06

could someone explain what its meant when saying its mix?

When a live album is released by the band, what they do is "mix" two source recordings together. One is taken right from the soundboard, and the other is from an audience recording. When that happens, you get the combination of both, which gives it the clear sound for the music, but the audience noise as well. That's called a Matrix. All live releases are always Matrix recordings that are then remastered and all that stuff.

What I'm saying is that Fenway is lacking the audience recording so much that it basically just sounds like a soundboard recording, which in turn makes it sound like nothing more than a studio recording.

I'm a big fan of live recordings. When the audience isn't present in the mix, I feel as if something is missing.

Now again, the sound on these cd's are wonderful, just not as a live mix.

OneSweetMonkey · 09-28-2006, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by cityondown5

Thing that pisses me off is when it sounds like they just added little bits of crowd here and there. Esp. during IOY right at the second "I FALLLL SO HARRRDD.."

I heard that, also. Which makes me wonder why the crowd is so loud there, but not present at all for Sweet Caroline. Now, I wasn't there, but I do have shows from the audience recording, and the crowd was LOUD during SC.

bradshaw06 · 09-28-2006, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by OneSweetMonkey

When a live album is released by the band, what they do is "mix" two source recordings together. One is taken right from the soundboard, and the other is from an audience recording. When that happens, you get the combination of both, which gives it the clear sound for the music, but the audience noise as well. That's called a Matrix. All live releases are always Matrix recordings that are then remastered and all that stuff.

What I'm saying is that Fenway is lacking the audience recording so much that it basically just sounds like a soundboard recording, which in turn makes it sound like nothing more than a studio recording.

I'm a big fan of live recordings. When the audience isn't present in the mix, I feel as if something is missing.

Now again, the sound on these cd's are wonderful, just not as a live mix.

thats a really good explanation, thanks

natedog · 09-28-2006, 11:32 AM

ive heard a lot of people complaining about the sound before i saw this thread.now i really want to see what it sounds like.if they took out the crowd during sweet caroline then thats just wrong,because that was an awesome part of the shows

trippinbilli40 · 09-28-2006, 11:33 AM

the crowd is also REALLY noticeable on the first "i look up at the sky" on nancies.

im diggin this sound though.

OneSweetMonkey · 09-28-2006, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by bradshaw06

thats a really good explanation, thanks

Cheers.

OneSweetMonkey · 09-28-2006, 11:41 AM

Wow. And the crowd is overpowering during Jimi. They really just pick and chose where they wanted the audience to be loud, I guess.

haibane · 09-28-2006, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by OneSweetMonkey

When a live album is released by the band, what they do is "mix" two source recordings together. One is taken right from the soundboard, and the other is from an audience recording. When that happens, you get the combination of both, which gives it the clear sound for the music, but the audience noise as well. That's called a Matrix. All live releases are always Matrix recordings that are then remastered and all that stuff.

What I'm saying is that Fenway is lacking the audience recording so much that it basically just sounds like a soundboard recording, which in turn makes it sound like nothing more than a studio recording.

I'm a big fan of live recordings. When the audience isn't present in the mix, I feel as if something is missing.

Now again, the sound on these cd's are wonderful, just not as a live mix.

I find the mix has plenty of crowd noise on the few songs I have listened to. I will have to give it a bit more of a listen though. What you are has plenty of crowd noise imo. This cd sounds far from a studio recording. Studio recordings have a much much crisper tighter exact sound. That is the true difference in my opinion. Studio recordings record one instrument at a time usually and work through to get a very exact sound. Live recordings have the full band going with no stop oh lets redo that again that wasn't quite how it was supposed to be sound. like hey my vocals were off or such. Personally I would rather be able to hear the band than have to re eq my entire system to drop out the overbearing crowd. IMO this mix has a great blend of crowd noise with the music. I don't think crowd noise makes the album though so that is just me.

Barbossa · 09-28-2006, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by cityondown5

Thing that pisses me off is when it sounds like they just added little bits of crowd here and there. Esp. during IOY right at the second "I FALLLL SO HARRRDD.."

I noticed that too. It sounds ridiculous. Much like a canned audience.

haibane · 09-28-2006, 11:50 AM

Just thought I would add the intro to say goodbye sounds really good right now to me

trippinchad · 09-28-2006, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by colegibson

I noticed that too. It sounds ridiculous. Much like a canned audience.

huh,weird

the only gweeps · 09-28-2006, 11:53 AM

I like the sound a lot. Too much crowd is annoying. I want to listen to DMB, not some crowd.

Barbossa · 09-28-2006, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by haibane

I find the mix has plenty of crowd noise on the few songs I have listened to. I will have to give it a bit more of a listen though. What you are has plenty of crowd noise imo. This cd sounds far from a studio recording. Studio recordings have a much much crisper tighter exact sound. That is the true difference in my opinion. Studio recordings record one instrument at a time usually and work through to get a very exact sound. Live recordings have the full band going with no stop oh lets redo that again that wasn't quite how it was supposed to be sound. like hey my vocals were off or such. Personally I would rather be able to hear the band than have to re eq my entire system to drop out the overbearing crowd. IMO this mix has a great blend of crowd noise with the music. I don't think crowd noise makes the album though so that is just me.

You obvioulsy don't understand the point of a live album then. If there were no crowd noise then there would be no point in saying it was live. The crowd mix on Fenway is awful. It is only mixed in at various points, and even then only barely audible. You can't EVER hear the crowd singing along. It kind of defeats the purpose. The crowd shouldn't be overbearing, but I don't think there has ever been an issue with that. You shouldn't have to be equalizing your entire system on live DMB albums. If you are, then you don't understand what live albums are for.

the only gweeps · 09-28-2006, 11:58 AM

You can barely hear the crowd on the CP bonus disc, too. Also, I find CP itself to be too crisp.

The best sounding releases are LS, LT3 and W@TR.

haibane · 09-28-2006, 12:02 PM

I love the way people state their opinions like they are facts...

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Originally Posted by colegibson

You obvioulsy don't understand the point of a live album then.

You're opinion

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Originally Posted by colegibson

If there were no crowd noise then there would be no point in saying it was live.

Again you're opinion

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Originally Posted by colegibson

The crowd mix on Fenway is awful. It is only mixed in at various points, and even then only barely audible. You can't EVER hear the crowd singing along.

Yeah sing alongs are fun, but I prefer the crowd be just barely audible for those

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Originally Posted by colegibson

It kind of defeats the purpose. The crowd shouldn't be overbearing, but I don't think there has ever been an issue with that. You shouldn't have to be equalizing your entire system on live DMB albums. If you are, then you don't understand what live albums are for.

Never said I equaliezed my system specifically for any live albums.

The crowd noise can be a nice addition, but is not necessary imo.

OneSweetMonkey · 09-28-2006, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by haibane

I find the mix has plenty of crowd noise on the few songs I have listened to. I will have to give it a bit more of a listen though. What you are has plenty of crowd noise imo. This cd sounds far from a studio recording. Studio recordings have a much much crisper tighter exact sound. That is the true difference in my opinion. Studio recordings record one instrument at a time usually and work through to get a very exact sound. Live recordings have the full band going with no stop oh lets redo that again that wasn't quite how it was supposed to be sound. like hey my vocals were off or such. Personally I would rather be able to hear the band than have to re eq my entire system to drop out the overbearing crowd. IMO this mix has a great blend of crowd noise with the music. I don't think crowd noise makes the album though so that is just me.

Oh don't get me wrong, I know the difference. All I'm saying is that this sounds more like a stuio recording because of the lack of audience sound. Obviously it's not as tight as a studio recording because it is, in fact, a live recording. But you would never know if it weren't for the raw sound of the music itself.

haibane · 09-28-2006, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OneSweetMonkey

Oh don't get me wrong, I know the difference. All I'm saying is that this sounds more like a stuio recording because of the lack of audience sound. Obviously it's not as tight as a studio recording because it is, in fact, a live recording. But you would never know if it weren't for the raw sound of the music itself.

yeah I agree...

OneSweetMonkey · 09-28-2006, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by haibane

Never said I equaliezed my system specifically for any live albums.

Oh, see I do. I love live recordings, that's why. And a big part of that is the audience participation.

haibane · 09-28-2006, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OneSweetMonkey

Oh, see I do. I love live recordings, that's why. And a big part of that is the audience participation.

Yeah I enjoy the studio recordings a bit more, but I generally equalize my system to near flat in order to get the intended response of all albums.

OneSweetMonkey · 09-28-2006, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by haibane

Yeah I enjoy the studio recordings a bit more, but I generally equalize my system to near flat in order to get the intended response of all albums.

Fair enough, and I totally agree with you. But the intended response to a live album should have that live sound, don't you agree?

09-28-2006, 10:52 AM	#1
OneSweetMonkey O.G. Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 10,644 Shows Seen: 203 DMB Hub Stubs: 37 My Tour Central Stats	The Mix Of Fenway I'm a little disappointed in it. I mean, it sounds great, but as a straight SBD. It doesn't sound like they mixed it too much into a matrix at all. You can't even hear the crowd during Sweet Caroline, and that is one of the coolest parts of the two shows. And honestly, with the mix sounding like this, is there even a point in putting Break Free, Idear or Can't Stop on a studio album? Because with a mix like this, they already sound like studio recordings. Just my opinion. What do y'all think?

09-28-2006, 10:58 AM	#2
thornhilldmbfan Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 815 Shows Seen: 56 DMB Hub Stubs: 17 My Tour Central Stats	Re: The Mix Of Fenway i totlally agree with u! i dont have the new live trax sicne it hasnt been released in canada but i have heard the clips on the circuit city website and i made the exact same point. the y definitely sound liek studio recordings and its a shame the crowd is barely noticeable on sweet caroline

09-28-2006, 11:04 AM	#3
jrh83 Thats Jared! Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 12,581 Shows Seen: 44 DMB Hub Stubs: 17 My Tour Central Stats	Re: The Mix Of Fenway I think it sounds great __________________ 2016: 5/27 NC (birthday show), 5/28 Atlanta, 05/29 STL, 07/01 Alpine, 07/02 Alpine -Jared Aka The Commissioner of all things cannonball!

09-28-2006, 11:07 AM	#4
clayj41 Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 66,961 Shows Seen: 34 DMB Hub Stubs: 16 My Tour Central Stats	Re: The Mix Of Fenway The new songs do sound like studio versions.

09-28-2006, 11:12 AM	#6
cityondown5 I-Z-Z-O-N-E Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: DeKalb, IL Posts: 7,467 Shows Seen: 4 DMB Hub Stubs: 5 My Tour Central Stats	Re: The Mix Of Fenway Thing that pisses me off is when it sounds like they just added little bits of crowd here and there. Esp. during IOY right at the second "I FALLLL SO HARRRDD.."

09-28-2006, 11:18 AM	#7
bradshaw06 Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,888 Shows Seen: 19 DMB Hub Stubs: 13 My Tour Central Stats	Re: The Mix Of Fenway could someone explain what its meant when saying its mix?

09-28-2006, 11:22 AM	#9
djurzi Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Jersey Posts: 260 Shows Seen: 84 DMB Hub Stubs: 25 My Tour Central Stats	Re: The Mix Of Fenway I agree. It sounds great, but it could have been mixed better. They really filtered out too much of the crowd. __________________ dontburnthepig.org

09-28-2006, 11:32 AM	#14
natedog Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: College Station,TX/Fort Collins,CO/Tuscaloosa,AL Posts: 371 Shows Seen: 11 DMB Hub Stubs: 9 My Tour Central Stats	Re: The Mix Of Fenway ive heard a lot of people complaining about the sound before i saw this thread.now i really want to see what it sounds like.if they took out the crowd during sweet caroline then thats just wrong,because that was an awesome part of the shows __________________ 7-16-03,8-20-04,8-21-04,9-10-05,9-11-05,9-12-05,9-12-06,9-13-06,7-20-08 Im going under,over you "Yeah what a beautiful day in the neighborhood" DMB 9-11-05

09-28-2006, 11:33 AM	#15
trippinbilli40 Give up the ghost Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 7,995 Shows Seen: 2 DMB Hub Stubs: 3 My Tour Central Stats	Re: The Mix Of Fenway the crowd is also REALLY noticeable on the first "i look up at the sky" on nancies. im diggin this sound though.

09-28-2006, 11:41 AM	#17
OneSweetMonkey O.G. Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 10,644 Shows Seen: 203 DMB Hub Stubs: 37 My Tour Central Stats	Re: The Mix Of Fenway Wow. And the crowd is overpowering during Jimi. They really just pick and chose where they wanted the audience to be loud, I guess.

09-28-2006, 11:50 AM	#20
haibane Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Georgia Posts: 798 Shows Seen: 3 DMB Hub Stubs: 4 My Tour Central Stats	Re: The Mix Of Fenway Just thought I would add the intro to say goodbye sounds really good right now to me

09-28-2006, 11:53 AM	#22
the only gweeps make a tree from me Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Kingston ON, Canada Posts: 2,370 Shows Seen: 0 DMB Hub Stubs: 1 My Tour Central Stats	Re: The Mix Of Fenway I like the sound a lot. Too much crowd is annoying. I want to listen to DMB, not some crowd.

09-28-2006, 11:58 AM	#24
the only gweeps make a tree from me Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Kingston ON, Canada Posts: 2,370 Shows Seen: 0 DMB Hub Stubs: 1 My Tour Central Stats	Re: The Mix Of Fenway You can barely hear the crowd on the CP bonus disc, too. Also, I find CP itself to be too crisp. The best sounding releases are LS, LT3 and W@TR.

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